Moderator Performance, v.2 Options

[rnicron]

I know Trish claims to have some input and perhaps suggesting the idea of James, but she didn't make the final decision. You know it had to have been Dani and Rebecca, regardless of what anyone says. No offense to either, but you have to at least admit it's true.

[brooklyneast05]

don't think so. we all stepped down and they put him straight up there. there wasn't even time between us stepping down and him being promoted for anyone to know if people staff were needed. half of us were upper staff. they lost two people staff, three if you want to count brandon who wasn't even active anyway at that time...soooooooooo i wouldn't say it was vital or that there was even time for that to be evaluated.

[brooklyneast05]

and if there is only 2 people staff moderators, and only one of them is ever online.. I think that there was a need for a people staff moderator.

well unless i'm forgetting someone, there were at least three at that time still there. cristy was still a people staff mod. we all know that cristy could handle people staff by herself if she had to. she didn't have to though, ruth and jane were also there to help. since the complaint is that james doesn't do anything really, then it makes the decision to put him there automatically even less warranted seeming.

[The-March-Hare]

I really do feel that I should point out that out of everything that Spencer listed as me having done 'numerous' times, I've done each precisely once. But I mustn't nit-pick. That, I'm sure would be dramatic. Speaking of which, how, in all honesty, can you consider me to be a big factor in the drama which goes on here nowadays(especially given that your second complaint is that I'm not even HERE enough, so how can both of those thing sbe true)? Or is that once again a bit of music from the bitter parade in stuck-in-the-past land? Because that is honestly how it appears to me, and I find it hard to take your issues seriously anymore.

As to why I was hired, I can only suggest that you ask the ones who hired me. Although actually, in all fairness, had they realized at the time that there was going to be a full hiring session so shortly afterwards, then it probably wouldn't have happened so quickly.

As to my activity, you do make a valid point. Because I'm still at school, I've been limited in my time I have to spend on the internet, so I pretty much come on, mod, and give some input into discussion, rather than posting around. I'm moving back home for summer on Saturday, so I'll have more time to build up a presence in the community, whether or not that is what you actually want.

[tokyo-rose]

Tung: Haha, well Thomas has graduated already, so he doesn't have to worry about finals and things like that. Definitely no offense meant to Thomas, though; he is a good mod. And thanks for your critique.

JC: =)

[rnicron]

I really do feel that I should point out that out of everything that Spencer listed as me having done 'numerous' times, I've done each precisely once. But I mustn't nit-pick. That, I'm sure would be dramatic. Speaking of which, how, in all honesty, can you consider me to be a big factor in the drama which goes on here nowadays(especially given that your second complaint is that I'm not even HERE enough, so how can both of those thing sbe true)? Or is that once again a bit of music from the bitter parade in stuck-in-the-past land? Because that is honestly how it appears to me, and I find it hard to take your issues seriously anymore.

As to why I was hired, I can only suggest that you ask the ones who hired me. Although actually, in all fairness, had they realized at the time that there was going to be a full hiring session so shortly afterwards, then it probably wouldn't have happened so quickly.

As to my activity, you do make a valid point. Because I'm still at school, I've been limited in my time I have to spend on the internet, so I pretty much come on, mod, and give some input into discussion, rather than posting around. I'm moving back home for summer on Saturday, so I'll have more time to build up a presence in the community, whether or not that is what you actually want.

It's called criticism. Take it or gtfo.

[The-March-Hare]

I did take it. That is how I managed to respond.

[rnicron]

Yeah, like a complete prick. Excellent mod.

[The-March-Hare]

I accept your criticism, and will make an effort to change to suit that which I think is accurate. Thank you for taking the time to post here, your contributions will help to strengthen and improve our community.

[rnicron]

I accept your criticism, but I am superior to you.

Blah blah blah

[Sandraaa]

damn that sounds just like when i was on staff with you

Oh really, no f**king waiiii? I remember getting a lot of shit for that. So your point is ...? Try stfuing, it works. Seeing as I am now, a member, I have every right to criticize my moderators. So, like I already mentioned, shut the f**k up JC. You're not funny.

[dustbunny]

^ so the point is you're being hypercritcal and hypocritical. the same point has been established over and over again; is it really necessary for you to repeat that same point when you of all people have been guilty of the same problem? if you have nothing new to say why even say anything at all? if you've been a parent, sucked at it, what you say about other parents and their lack of parenting is rather..invalid wouldn't you say? yeah you have every right to criticize your moderators, but try to point out faults that you didn't have either next time hm? and sandra, your little "pussy" topics aren't funny either. good luck with your aspirations of attention grabbing!

Tung, thanks. I appreciate the way you reacted and responded to my warning instead of just being pissed off since we're buds.

Although Nate's presence has been lacking..if even..existent I guess, I actually would like to see him do his job once he gets back from taking care of whatever he's been taking care of. (his absence has been accounted for) We could all at least give him a chance to show his abilities when time permits.

[libertie]

Just wanted to let you guys know I'm here and alive and tired from a 12-hour drive. xD

I'm quickly trying to catch up here and will do more tomorrow, but I'm not quite home yet. My boss called me and convinced me to drive to Tulsa instead of going home. I'll get caught up ASAP and back into the swing of things! <3

I'll address just a couple of things before I go back to reading, though. Tung, thanks for your reviews - I read them all and I'll give them another read tomorrow. I think that kind of feedback is really what this topic is about, so it's definitely greatly appreciated.

About the James issue, if anyone wanted an explanation I remember pretty clearly what happened so I'll try to clear up some of the vagueness. I had, that day, been promoted to administrator and I got an IM from Trish saying something to the effect of, "Promote James." There was seemingly a lot going on (certain people spamming), and in retrospect it wasn't that big of a deal. However, at the time there was no one else online (people/heads/admins) except me and I felt a little overwhelmed, so I listened to her.

I'll be honest, it was a rash decision and there was little to no communication on it except that between Trish and I. Had I spoken to Rebecca about it, I probably would have realized that she wanted to wait until an official hiring session before we hired anyone. My decision (which I take full credit for) was made based on a perceived majority backstage. However, the end result is that James would have gotten the position, no doubt in my mind. Too many people were in agreement otherwise I wouldn't have done it in the first place.

But yes, it was my first day having been promoted and people seemed okay with the decision overall, so I didn't worry too much about it. However, I did have a talk with Rebecca about it afterwards and expressed to her that I felt bad for not having had a conversation with her prior to acting. Since then we have always been in absolute agreement between the two of us before making any decisions, and it seems to be working well for us - I think we make a great team.

[sixfive]

Sandra you seemed to think it alright when you were in that position at the time. Also, not to 'defend JC', but I find JC quite humorous at times, he's my black friend. Most of his posts, however, don't seemed to be aimed at humor, rather just pointing things out. If you hadn't noticed, JC wasn't a big fan of the trish bashing fest or the major drama, so he mainly sat back and added his two cents when he felt opportune.

[Sandraaa]

^ so the point is you're being hypercritcal and hypocritical. the same point has been established over and over again; is it really necessary for you to repeat that same point when you of all people have been guilty of the same problem? if you have nothing new to say why even say anything at all? if you've been a parent, sucked at it, what you say about other parents and their lack of parenting is rather..invalid wouldn't you say? yeah you have every right to criticize your moderators, but try to point out faults that you didn't have either next time hm? and sandra, your little "pussy" topics aren't funny either. good luck with your aspirations of attention grabbing!

HAHA. Now this is actually hilarious. Where the hell where you when you could have used this logic to defend me? OK, on a serious note, if you're going to point how repetitive and hypocritical I am, why don't you do so for most of the members that are actually complaining and bitching? Pointing out someone's fault doesn't mean bashing or insulting. Saying that Jane is inactive is a normal thing to do. I don't even know your name so I'll just call you Doink. Well, I got huge shit for being inactive, topics were created about me, yadi yada. I know how the f**k it feels like. And besides, things should have improved by now. People especially Trish bitched about mods being active, bla bla bla bla bla. So, why can't I even MENTION it? Where's the crime in that? Did I come of as a huge f**king bitch?

Oh, and if you think I'm seeking attention, f**king think again. I've been on this forum for years and attention is the last thing I need. Calm your nerves down and get to know fact before jumping in. BTW, about the pussy thread. It is actually a beat (electronica) by one of my favorite artist. And it IS pussy pussy dicky dicky tonguey tonguey licky licky.

Sandra you seemed to think it alright when you were in that position at the time. Also, not to 'defend JC', but I find JC quite humorous at times, he's my black friend. Most of his posts, however, don't seemed to be aimed at humor, rather just pointing things out. If you hadn't noticed, JC wasn't a big fan of the trish bashing fest or the major drama, so he mainly sat back and added his two cents when he felt opportune.

I never thought it was alright to be inactive. The hell? I know you and I, we've had our 'shit', if I may say, but be honest ^^ I can't remember who sent me the mail, I think it's Trish though. The bitch said 'does it even occur to you that we're giving you shit because you're an easy target?' What seemed like honest critique became insults and such.

And I'm perfectly aware JC didn't get involved with the Trish shit. He actually liked Trish (from what I noticed). JC didn't give me shit either. Honestly, he's actually one of the RARE people I know who don't get involved with dramas just for fun. I personally don't find him humorous or entertaining at all, but to each his own. And I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

This is actually extending, as usual.

[brooklyneast05]

sandra: why would i stfu? if anyone should stfu in this thread it's you. as i already pointed out, you sucked as a mod. you logged on like once a week when you were at work or whatever. i'm not saying if you didn't have access to a computer it was your fault, i'm saying any mod who logs on once a week should gtfo regardless. (diana, that applies to you too, no offense.) anyway, i've been on staff with both you and jane, and i can certainly tell you that jane is a lot more useful to have than you ever were. as betty and steven have said, it's hypocritical, that's why it annoys me. criticizing her for something you thought was fine then, and were even worse about, is silly in my opinion. that was my reasoning behind my remark.

edit: yeah i thought you did come of as a bitch by making the comment that "jane practically never mods" rather than just saying you thought her activity could be improved. that's what rubbed me the wrong way. i don't believe that you enjoyed those comments either when you were inactive, and i'd assume if they were from someone who had even worse activity you'd have been like wtf?


dani: if you believe that james would have gotten the position even if he waited until the hiring session, then i think he should also qualify for the probationary period.

[sixfive]

Who decides if mods are doing a good job and should be booted by the end of the probationary period? Perhaps public opinion should come into play?

[Sandraaa]

sandra: why would i stfu? if anyone should stfu in this thread it's you. as i already pointed out, you sucked as a mod. you logged on like once a week when you were at work or whatever. i'm not saying if you didn't have access to a computer it was your fault, i'm saying any mod who logs on once a week should gtfo regardless. (diana, that applies to you too, no offense.) anyway, i've been on staff with both you and jane, and i can certainly tell you that jane is a lot more useful to have than you ever were. as betty and steven have said, it's hypocritical, that's why it annoys me. criticizing her for something you thought was fine then, and were even worse about, is silly in my opinion.

What the hell is your problem? When I was a mod, I had no internet access, true. You might not know but the f**k I tried as much as I could to get online! I had many shit going on but with Trish getting on my back, I couldn't even explain without it coming of as 'of course, another excuse' so I kept quiet. I don't even know who I told about it anymore. Yeah, a mod who gets on once a week should gtfo. That rule became extreme when Trish re-appeared.

Trish was a f**king hypocrite, but did you ever point that out? Did I come off as a bitch? Before I even got modded, Jane was already getting fingers pointed at her. I even forgot to mention Diana. I am a member JC, so YES, I can indeed point out those who were inactive. People do it all the time but I have to get the shit for it.


EDIT// JC: I only repeated what Tung said. Too lazy to actually word it right I guess.

[sixfive]

Trish couldn't go backstage and criticize your reasons there. She was an OM, if I do recall. I'm not going to dive into this too far, but you didn't exactly 'try' to explain yourself very hard. We had Rebecca and Mona as admins at the time, some of the more understanding people I've seen on staff and you could have very easily talked to them and they would have discussed matters backstage (despite Suzzette's ominous presence).

[brooklyneast05]

i'm not saying you can't point it out. i'm pointing out my opinion on it, which i can do also. so i don't get your point. i'm not sure why you are trying to turn this around on trish somehow. trish said if you aren't active you need to go. that's completely right. trish's criticism of your activity is right regardless of what she did later. wtf does trish even matter in this? everyone else felt the same way about it.

[Sandraaa]

I talked to Holly, Steven.

Anyway, Trish bitched in the forums which made it even worse! She bitched before getting modded and after getting modded. It became ridiculous. Something that had meaning turned upside down. She didn't even take into consideration the fact that I was new on the job. Dude, I remember getting 'you're doing a good job as a staffer' the first week I got modded. I think my internet went off weeks after or less? Memory isn't quite good anymore.

GAH, and it made me so mad the way people who obviously HATED her pretended as if they didn't. Either be like JC and actually like her or be like me and actually don't like her and let her know it. Grr, too bad she isn't here anymore. Well, not really.

JC, Trish just said that? That was it? Her 'way' wasn't extreme? No?

[brooklyneast05]

I talked to Holly, Steven.

Anyway, Trish bitched in the forums which made it even worse! She bitched before getting modded and after getting modded. It became ridiculous. Something that had meaning turned upside down. She didn't even take into consideration the fact that I was new on the job. Dude, I remember getting 'you're doing a good job as a staffer' the first week I got modded. I think my internet went off weeks after or less? Memory isn't quite good anymore.

GAH, and it made me so mad the way people who obviously HATED her pretended as if they didn't. Either be like JC and actually like her or be like me and actually don't like her and let her know it. Grr, too bad she isn't here anymore. Well, not really.

i guess that's your opinion. the only thing i think was "ridiculous" about the matter was that it took you so long to figure out you needed to get off staff if you weren't here. everyone gets told good job in their first week...so i don't really think of that as saying much.

no i don't think her way of giving critique was extreme. was it as nice and pleasant as some other people, say rebecca, gives critique? no. it was straight to the point, if people can't handle that then it's their problem. it's not like she was alone in that way of handing out her opinion. as i said, how does trish even matter, when the majority of staff and members were giving the exact same criticism? it just sounds like you're trying to turn it around and play off the fact that no one here likes trish.

anyway i'm sure you agree this is getting pointless. you voiced your opinion and so did i. we're even.

[Sandraaa]

No, Trish doesn't matter anymore. But she always manages to get involved in any topic that's moderator related. ><

JC, last time. Her critique wasn't wrong, far from that. Her calling me an easy target, her insulting me, yeah, that was extreme. And sorry for telling you stfu. Totally unnecessary. No, her comments were not as nice but they were stupid. I am glad she got the shit she got from Steven and the rest. I wonder how she's liking all this attention.

Anyway, where's Diana? She isn't quite active on Facebook either.

[sixfive]

So if those issues are present, it would be the right thing to do to ask to be moved to a mentor position or even step down for the time being, then request reinstatement upon return, that way it removes the room for criticism and makes the Staff as a whole look more active and clean.

[ersatz]

If it does all come down to the upper staff, I hope that they take initiative on it and ACTUALLY fire people. Much too often it takes so long for shitty mods to get off, especially on their own accord, and no one ever has the guts to fire them (and that's not hypocritical of me; I wasn't Admin long enough to fire anyone). I think that the current Admins know what kind of people would make the staff as a whole work effortlessly, but I don't yet know if they will just go ahead and make it that way instead of giving people a "chance for improvement" or whatever, cause they will probably not improve.