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My feeble attempt at the explanation of Christianity., You ask questions, and I'll try to answer.
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post Dec 1 2007, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Nov 29 2007, 10:26 AM) *
Not necessarily, if your parents where the same people they are today then you would be millionaires, but they wouldn't be the people they are today without the hardships they endured.

Success doesn't come with just money (obviously). Without those hardships you wouldn't be the same person you are today. Your goals would be totally different. I honestly doubt you would have a heart for the poor if you grew up rich. Believe me, there is good that come out of it. In some ways, being born into a wealthy family is a curse.

I never said that your family was any of those things. I said that it may have been the result of of those things in the past. I wasn't even referring to family members you know. Also, you may have been feeling a poverty streak because of the government in China. Who knows?! Either way, your poverty as well as the poverty of many other families was probably the result of someone's sinful decision (probably many decisions of many different people). As a Christian you would believe that those people will be judged for the pain that they caused during their life time and after.

In the past people were probably forced to "convert" because the people "converting" them truly thought that they were doing the right thing. Do I believe they were doing the right thing? No, I don't think it's right for a Christian to force their religion upon someone. In fact, I think that forcing your religion upon someone is one of the most terrible things you can do to someone. How can someone truly believe in God if your ramming it down their throat? People need to make that choice on their own.

You mention God flooding the world, but in the Bible He makes a promise never to flood the world again.

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how "good" you are on this earth. You may be "good" when being compared to Human standards, but you aren't "good" when compared to God's standards. Perfection is the only standard in Heaven. This is the whole reason Christ is the center of our religion. In our religion, if you believe in Jesus and are truly sorry for the sins you commit then Jesus will take your sins upon himself by dieing on the cross. Jesus died on the cross for the sins of those that believed in him durring past, present, and future. There always has to be a balance. For ever action there must be an equal and opposite reaction. If you sin, you must be judged for it. Jesus "pays for your sins" if you lean on him. Therefore the balance is kept. This is debatable, but I believe your still judged before you enter heaven. At the end of that judgment there will be one difference between the fate of a non-believer a believer is that one will be saved from their punishment of eternal damnation and one will not.

I hope I don't sound to preachy, I'm trying to answer these questions to the best of my ability.


I guess if you truely believed that, it would make sense.
thanks for your views.
 
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post Dec 2 2007, 01:57 AM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 09:14 AM) *
why is there suffering to such an extent? if god is all powerful, why couldn't he step in. i know there's the whole thing about preserving our free will and what not, but still. the holocaust for example, did 6 million jews need to die? he could have stepped in earlier and our free will would have still be intact, and millions of innocent people would have been saved

which also makes me wonder why hitler was even born. if god is omniscient and omnipotent then he knew before hitler was born what would happen. if i was all knowing, and i was going to have a kid with someone, and i knew that they would turn out to be the next hitler...i wouldn't do it. i wouldn't have a kid



At least not all Jews are gone. Phew. God did it for reason, to teach us, so we dont repeat it. God made us natural learners to enable our ability to life-long-learner. Therefore, we continue to learn, inspire others, and setting an examples to others for them to gain perspective, beliefs, and thoughts. Everything has reasons.

And of course, i'm making it up.
 
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post Dec 2 2007, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(Fist @ Dec 2 2007, 12:57 AM) *
At least not all Jews are gone.

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post Dec 2 2007, 08:11 PM
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it might sound harsh? but, at least Jews arent gone. God made it better than having none.
 
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post Dec 2 2007, 08:12 PM
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wow...just wow
 
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post Dec 3 2007, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE(31miracles @ Dec 1 2007, 11:17 PM) *
I guess if you truely believed that, it would make sense.
thanks for your views.


Hey! You're welcome, I hope I cleared up a few things for you. I really tried my best to answer your questions.
 
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post Dec 4 2007, 05:40 AM
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QUOTE(Fist @ Dec 2 2007, 07:57 AM) *
At least not all Jews are gone. Phew. God did it for reason, to teach us, so we dont repeat it. God made us natural learners to enable our ability to life-long-learner. Therefore, we continue to learn, inspire others, and setting an examples to others for them to gain perspective, beliefs, and thoughts. Everything has reasons.

And of course, i'm making it up.

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HAHAHAHAHA! Not all Jews are gone, phew? ooook.
 
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post Dec 4 2007, 05:54 AM
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I read the first two pages and skipped to page 18. What happened in between? o.O
 
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post Dec 4 2007, 12:25 PM
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read it and u'll know
 
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post Dec 4 2007, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Dec 4 2007, 12:25 PM) *
read it and u'll know


Exactly
 
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post Dec 4 2007, 07:56 PM
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You know what's better than having less Jews? Having the same amount of living Jews as before the Holocaust! Woah-hoh!

LOL, just because not every single Jew was killed doesn't make it OK...haha. WTF.
 
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post Dec 5 2007, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE(ersatz @ Dec 4 2007, 07:56 PM) *
You know what's better than having less Jews? Having the same amount of living Jews as before the Holocaust! Woah-hoh!

LOL, just because not every single Jew was killed doesn't make it OK...haha. WTF.


What are you referring too? Omg, fist just confused everyone. He took a question that was a billion pages back. I'll reply to the Hitler statement later.
 
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post Dec 5 2007, 04:35 PM
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Yeah I was replying to him, sorry, haha. You don't have to reply, I was just kind of flabbergasted with his response.
 
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post Dec 8 2007, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE(ersatz @ Dec 4 2007, 04:56 PM) *
You know what's better than having less Jews? Having the same amount of living Jews as before the Holocaust! Woah-hoh!

LOL, just because not every single Jew was killed doesn't make it OK...haha. WTF.



Hi ;]

Well, that's too bad. Hitler killed them all ... not all of them ! who says it doesnt make it okay? thumbsup.gif
 
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post Dec 24 2007, 08:28 PM
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Mebbe I asked it already, but, what if a child is born into an atheist family? What if he isn't educated on "god's will". It would seem like a pretty shitty god to send them to hell when they had no chance or opportunity to learn about Christianity (assuming the Christian god exists).
 
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post Dec 24 2007, 09:37 PM
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^yeah that's what im thinking. not even atheist though, just someone in another religion somewhere else in the world who wasn't exposed to it. going to hell because god put them somewhere where they couldn't be exposed? eh.
 
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post Dec 25 2007, 04:31 AM
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QUOTE(Steven @ Dec 24 2007, 08:28 PM) *
Mebbe I asked it already, but, what if a child is born into an atheist family? What if he isn't educated on "god's will". It would seem like a pretty shitty god to send them to hell when they had no chance or opportunity to learn about Christianity (assuming the Christian god exists).


If a person is invincibly ignorant of God, but obeys natural law, he can't be held accountable.

However, nowadays, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find someone in a scenario where they are invincibly ignorant of God.
 
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post Dec 25 2007, 09:58 AM
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Most of the continent of Africa is invincibly ignorant of God. Nomadic tribes in deserts are ignorant. Tiny villages in western China are ignorant. Tribes in the jungles of South America are ignorant.

There's tons o' people.
 
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Dec 25 2007, 03:31 AM) *
If a person is invincibly ignorant of God, but obeys natural law, he can't be held accountable.

However, nowadays, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find someone in a scenario where they are invincibly ignorant of God.

What if they're exposed to god but they aren't explained his significance and just told that he's a make believe deity who people worship? If I were told that I wouldn't see much reason at all to have faith in him.
 
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post Dec 25 2007, 12:00 PM
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What if they're exposed to god but they aren't explained his significance and just told that he's a make believe deity who people worship? If I were told that I wouldn't see much reason at all to have faith in him.


Faith is geographical. There isn't anything special about it, really. Muslims go here, Christians go here, Buddhists go here! Wow!
 
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post Jan 1 2008, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE(Steven @ Dec 25 2007, 09:37 AM) *
What if they're exposed to god but they aren't explained his significance and just told that he's a make believe deity who people worship? If I were told that I wouldn't see much reason at all to have faith in him.

Well, that's why it's a Christian's job to damn us all by spreading "truths" to the rest of the world.



Sorry, I couldn't help it.
 
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Well, that's why it's a Christian's job to damn us all by spreading "truths" to the rest of the world.
Sorry, I couldn't help it.

Reported for religious malice!
 
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QUOTE(Steven @ Jan 1 2008, 05:47 PM) *
Reported for religious malice!

BOO YOU, Steven! BOOH YOU!!!
 
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Could you explain to me why God loves us so much that he gave us his one and only child? To me, it doesn't make any sense what "giving out an only child" have to do with loving somebody else.
 
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mkay. i don't know if this was already answered. But if god knew humans would sin why did he create it? cuz i mean if he's this all powerful being can't he prevent us from sinning and I know you say that he did it so humans can learn from their mistakes and yada yada. But why would God not prevent us from sinning? does he want us to go to hell?

also. so far I have lived a good life. i don't do anything terribly sinnful but just b/c I have doubt in god and don't read the bible and go to church, does that mean i'm condemned to hell?
 

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