My feeble attempt at the explanation of Christianity., You ask questions, and I'll try to answer. Rating Options

[*KINGdinguhling*]

so you go to heaven after that?


iono man, if someone told you eating shit would make you live longer would you do it

[NoSex]

yeah i agree with that shit, but think of it this way, are your current beliefs and morals not at all influenced by some sort of religion? bible is shit, but it does do good in terms of regulating people....well, most people

it's a case of mistaken identity, & false causality.
i mean, what do you think came first... the social contract not to kill, a conscience, a repulsion to violence... or the commandment, "thou shall not kill." british common law, which our law is primarily derived from, existed in england long before christianity came knocking @ their door. my point is as follows, religion is not at all, truly, related to our most fundamental moral character, all of that is accounted for in hobbes' theory of social contract. however, things like feeling guilty about masturbating, refusing to sell alcohol on a sunday, & "saving yourself until marriage," are, more or less, sustained in religion, designed around archaic society.

so, no. religion doesn't do good in terms of regulating people, it does a shit job. note also, of course, that religious people are more likely to commit crime, less likely to be educated, more likely to marry & have children, less likely to read a f*cking book.

correlation does not imply causation:
remember lisa simpson's anti-tiger rock? i do... i do.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

edit: lol f*ck it, my final words: religions cost outweigh its benefits IMMMMMMENSELY

[saintsaens]

i don't know who you are, or don't remember you, or whatever. you're weird. iuhhno. hello.

ahem.

p.s. you can't just say "still a fallacy" & ignore the argument. concede the point or actually form a rebuttal. i mean, admit that omnipotence is incoherent & contrary, or demonstrate why it is not. thank you.

ahem.

p.p.s. don't you think religious belief is largely geographical (i.e. environmental: what society, your parents, etc. etc. believe and teach you) & pays little service, whatsoever, to reason, rationality, or honest discussion?

It doesn't matter, God is spirit. A rock is constrained by our own dimensions, so if God did create a rock that big, he'd still be able to lift it, should he wish to.

Comparing a rock to a Spiritual Entity is pretty funny.

p.p.s, I think we're having an honest discussion. Feel free to ask anything about my life or how I live my life as a Christian. You'll find me a huge hypocrite and a fake.

But I'm still trying my best.

And no, I think Christianity is not bound by geographical boundaries. It is universal.

[saintsaens]

1. some people would argue that it doesn't actually work, or at least that it doesn't work as well as you suggest.
2. for the hopes of societal progression, religiosity serves to stagnate society (ex. stem-cell research, gay marriage, etc).
3. because there is some value in being aware of yourself & the world around you.
4. because the church is a monster that everyone refuses to quit feeding, it's a waste and a danger.

etc. etc. etc.

there are plenty of good reasons to reverse/destroy/subvert religious belief.

1. Works fine in my opinion.
2. The politicians and the loud ones protesting stemcell research and homosexual rights are the ones who tend to blabber without thinking.
3. wat.
4. Not a danger, not a waste. However, the church can be quite a monster sometimes.

I heard this quote somewhere. I find it rings true too many times:

"Lord, deliver me not from your enemies, but from your followers, oh Lord."

[saintsaens]

Because of the great commision.
God wants us to preach the gospel to every living creature.
And when the earth ends(no one but go knows when that will be)
we wan as many people as possible to be Christians.

Please be sure to note that we spread the Gospel not for the sake of the unbelievers, but for the Glory of God.

Man's chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him forever and ever.

[saintsaens]

so you go to heaven after that?
iono man, if someone told you eating shit would make you live longer would you do it

You got some sort of scat fetish, bro? Why you so into poop?

Would you eat shit if I told you it would make you live longer? Why do you keep equating shit with religion? If you don't have anything productive to say, then get out of my thread. This is the debate forum, not offtopic chat.

[saintsaens]

edit: lol f*ck it, my final words: religions cost outweigh its benefits IMMMMMMENSELY

That's why it's religion, and that's why Karl Marx was wrong. Religion is not the opiate for the masses. If it were true, we wouldn't have martyrs.

[Tramatize]

The main difference between other gods and my God is that my God, in all His amazing mercy, came down to us.

Because we cannot reach God, the unreachable has reached us.

I know for a fact that I don't deserve anything. I don't deserve to have friends, family, or to even know joy. But because of God, I have all this. Even the things He takes away from me, I can be joyful for because anything that won't help me to live my life as a pilgrim in this world will be thrown out. He lightens my burden.

Amen to God.

He never came down to us. He sent his "son" down to us.
And the other gods came to them too.

[saintsaens]

He never came down to us. He sent his "son" down to us.
And the other gods came to them too.

The theological term is Hypostatic Union. To deny the diety of Christ is to deny the entire doctrine of Christianity.

Jesus was God. Jesus is God, merely in a human form.

Please list another religion where God reaches man.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

You got some sort of scat fetish, bro? Why you so into poop?

Would you eat shit if I told you it would make you live longer? Why do you keep equating shit with religion? If you don't have anything productive to say, then get out of my thread. This is the debate forum, not offtopic chat.

there is no debate, you simply believe or not, i apologize if you arent smart enough to understand my analogy rimlicker

[saintsaens]

there is no debate, you simply believe or not, i apologize if you arent smart enough to understand my analogy rimlicker

cool story bro.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

whats wrong, cat got your tongue? no reply? answer the question would you eat shit if i told you it would let you live longer

[saintsaens]

whats wrong, cat got your tongue? no reply? answer the question would you eat shit if i told you it would let you live longer

No. I don't plan on living any longer than I'm already destined to be. Your logic is flawed, buddy.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

really? what is my logic?

[saintsaens]

That you're trollin' hard, bro. Get out.

[*KINGdinguhling*]

complete lack of logical sense, you serve your religion well

[saintsaens]

complete lack of logical sense, you serve your religion well

Cool! It's enjoyable to watch you go from trying to make a logical argument into insulting me. Keep it up, a Christianity thread can't be a Christianity without people angry at God because life doesn't go the way they want it to.

Tough luck, kiddo; the world isn't perfect, and neither are you.

[NoSex]

Please list another religion where God reaches man.

the greek gods use to chill with man.
jesus stopped in, supposedly, for thirty-ish years and ducked out.
nothing special. what the f*ck does that mean for people two-thousand years later?
if god truly wanted to reach man... he would make a giant super magically billboard or something.

podo, do you believe in evolution? if so, to what extent? if not, why not?

[Simba]

Please list another religion where God reaches man.

Krishna and Chaitanya in Hinduism

[*KINGdinguhling*]

Cool! It's enjoyable to watch you go from trying to make a logical argument into insulting me. Keep it up, a Christianity thread can't be a Christianity without people angry at God because life doesn't go the way they want it to.

Tough luck, kiddo; the world isn't perfect, and neither are you.

whats the point of arguing with a person who refuses to address my argument? Here big boy, ill give you another shot, i asked you to eat shit, you said no, why believe god and not me?

[saintsaens]

whats the point of arguing with a person who refuses to address my argument? Here big boy, ill give you another shot, i asked you to eat shit, you said no, why believe god and not me?

I'd believe you, but it depends on your delivery. I'm not blindly following Christ. I like Christianity as a religion, and everything about it appeals to me.

However your shit, does not.

Pun intended.

the greek gods use to chill with man.
jesus stopped in, supposedly, for thirty-ish years and ducked out.
nothing special. what the f*ck does that mean for people two-thousand years later?
if god truly wanted to reach man... he would make a giant super magically billboard or something.

podo, do you believe in evolution? if so, to what extent? if not, why not?

-reserved for after dinner-

[*KINGdinguhling*]

I'd believe you, but it depends on your delivery. I'm not blindly following Christ. I like Christianity as a religion, and everything about it appeals to me.

However your shit, does not.

Pun intended.

Then thats that. Nothing else to debate. You simply believe and I don't.

[saintsaens]

Krishna and Chaitanya in Hinduism

I will admit that I know almost nothing about Hinduism, so I won't say much, however I think I should have been more specific about things. I meant to say that God sacrifices himself so that He can be closer to us.

the greek gods use to chill with man.
jesus stopped in, supposedly, for thirty-ish years and ducked out.
nothing special. what the f*ck does that mean for people two-thousand years later?
if god truly wanted to reach man... he would make a giant super magically billboard or something.

podo, do you believe in evolution? if so, to what extent? if not, why not?

I think it's interesting, how Greek mythology had a certain aspect of hypostatic-union. However, like I stated in my previous post above, I meant it that certain way. BTW, Zeus was a pervert.

And yes, I believe in evolution. Whether the world is 2,000 years old or four billion years old, it doesn't take away from God's glory.

I see it like this, it doesn't make God appear any less amazing (because that's what most Christians are afraid of) than he is or was. To be able to divinely inspire the Earth to create mankind (eventually) is amazing for me.

But hey, if the world was created over two thousand years, then that's amazing too.

Either way, Glory to God.

[NoSex]

I see it like this, it doesn't make God appear any less amazing (because that's what most Christians are afraid of) than he is or was. To be able to divinely inspire the Earth to create mankind (eventually) is amazing for me.

i don't think you get the point of my question kid...
christians aren't afraid that the reality of evolution will make god look "less amazing," they're afraid that it will make him look less likely. consider it, what is the most common & lauded argument for the existence a creator but the cosmological argument? if purely natural phenomena can explain life on this planet, then the cosmological argument becomes useless. life can be explained in a purely scientific manner... in which case, what room is there for a god?