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science vs religon, which one is important and needed ?
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Reidar
post Jan 23 2009, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(KINGdinguhling @ Jan 23 2009, 09:13 PM) *
Well first you must prove there nonexistence even exists. Ironically...


Do you have to prove that unicorns don't exist before you can disbelieve in them?
 
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post Jan 23 2009, 11:43 PM
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the whole idea is we're told to believe in God and have blind faith in god

so what you're saying is to go my entire life putting my faith into something that's been written in a book. there are so many different versions of the book and so many different branches of the same one religion

science at least you see some results and you can have somethin to back up an idea
 
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post Jan 24 2009, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(Reidar @ Jan 23 2009, 06:37 PM) *
Do you have to prove that unicorns don't exist before you can disbelieve in them?

I already told you, having to prove something is irrelevant as well. Explaining this is like a inanimate object perceive things on a human level
 
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post Jan 24 2009, 12:29 AM
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QUOTE(KINGdinguhling @ Jan 24 2009, 12:09 AM) *
I already told you, having to prove something is irrelevant as well.


Exactly, so I don't "need to prove there [sic] nonexistence even exists." You've just refuted your prior post for me.

We do not need proof for the nonexistence of Thor and Zeus and Apollo. There is no evidence for them or any other, so we can legitimately say that they do not exist.
 
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post Jan 24 2009, 12:29 AM
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I haven't been reading this, so i apologize if someone already mentioned what i am about to say.
Science can be proved correct, religion can't.
 
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post Jan 24 2009, 12:52 AM
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science doesnt have all the answers
but does that mean if we don't have an answer we make up something to make up for what we don't know.

Religion i believe is formed through rebels because
if your a rebel you follow your own beliefs and through that you gather followers
the followers share the same beliefs and practices
thus creating "religion"
think bout it
religion everyone follows the same practice and beliefs
they follow through with things religiously
and so with that we call it religion.
 
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post Jan 24 2009, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(Tsukuyomi-No-Mokoto @ Jan 23 2009, 11:52 PM) *
science doesnt have all the answers
Just wanted to throw this in (because what you said reminded me of it): Science tells how us how, but not why. It's in religion that people get the why (and ethics, right and wrong, and good and evil, etc.). Saying, though, that there is a great force that could not cease to exist (and is the cause of something, but has no cause) is something that I don't think I will ever understand.
 
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post Jan 24 2009, 01:08 AM
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QUOTE(Reidar @ Jan 23 2009, 09:29 PM) *
Exactly, so I don't "need to prove there [sic] nonexistence even exists." You've just refuted your prior post for me.

We do not need proof for the nonexistence of Thor and Zeus and Apollo. There is no evidence for them or any other, so we can legitimately say that they do not exist.

lol no no, simple fellow. You keep thinking of opposites as two things. Eventually, any and all things eventually try to reach equilibrium of 1
 
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post Jan 24 2009, 01:51 AM
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ITS ALL AN ILLUSION CREATED BY OUR OWN MINDS. OUR MINDS ARE THE MOST POWERFUL THING IN THE UNIVERSE, AND ALL OF OUR LIFES ARE FAKE. Naw i don't know, could be, heard about it, sounds good. haha
 
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post Jan 24 2009, 02:18 AM
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QUOTE(KINGdinguhling @ Jan 24 2009, 01:08 AM) *
lol no no, simple fellow. You keep thinking of opposites as two things. Eventually, any and all things eventually try to reach equilibrium of 1


As opposed to 2? Something has either attained equilibrium or it has not. If one component is out of sync, then it isn't harmonious.
 
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QUOTE(Reidar @ Jan 23 2009, 11:18 PM) *
As opposed to 2? Something has either attained equilibrium or it has not. If one component is out of sync, then it isn't harmonious.

yeah but all things have a tendency to go back to equilibrium
 
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post Jan 24 2009, 03:23 AM
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Like you returning back to the same non sequitur. You've attained equilibrium, my boy.
 
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post Jan 24 2009, 03:34 AM
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The idea that religion is the basis for laws and ethics and all that i find that to be a load of shit too cause if you think bout it.
Look at how our government was formed it's formed on basic things which are the same things written in the bible. but the things written in the bible as the ten commandments.
so are you telling me people have no common sense and they need to rely on a book to give them an idea as to how to live their life?
 
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QUOTE(Reidar @ Jan 24 2009, 12:23 AM) *
Like you returning back to the same non sequitur. You've attained equilibrium, my boy.

such a simple mind
 
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post Jan 26 2009, 12:15 PM
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I think both are really important. But science a little bit more. I'm not very religious. Science can help us with alot of things. Its helped us with health, everything. But religion is just a few exorcisms.
 
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QUOTE(Satyricon @ Jan 26 2009, 08:15 PM) *
I think both are really important. But science a little bit more. I'm not very religious. Science can help us with alot of things. Its helped us with health, everything. But religion is just a few exorcisms.

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post Jan 26 2009, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE(Tsukuyomi-No-Mokoto @ Jan 24 2009, 02:34 AM) *
The idea that religion is the basis for laws and ethics and all that i find that to be a load of shit too cause if you think bout it.
Look at how our government was formed it's formed on basic things which are the same things written in the bible. but the things written in the bible as the ten commandments.
so are you telling me people have no common sense and they need to rely on a book to give them an idea as to how to live their life?
I'm not disagreeing with you, I just thought I would throw that reply out there. A lot of the problem (misunderstanding, maybe) that I have with people who always refer to holy texts is that they that feel the need to base what is morally right and wrong on scripture. Nothing is morally right or wrong just because someone (or something) says it is. But a lot of people and pick and choose which "commands" from the scripture that they want to follow.
 
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post Jan 29 2009, 06:28 PM
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i think science. because without no science there wouldn't be no religion. religion wouldn't have their rules without the knowledge they know from science.
 
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post Jan 29 2009, 06:38 PM
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i think science. because without no science there wouldn't be no religion. religion wouldn't have their rules without the knowledge they know from science.

I disagree.
 
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post Jan 29 2009, 06:42 PM
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lol otay, would you care to explain why? hahaa
 
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post Jan 29 2009, 07:38 PM
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Science, by far. You're comparing disease to antibiotics.

Without Science total world population wouldn't be more than a few hundred thousand, most of whom would be looking for dinner under flat rocks. To quote someone whose name I've forgotten, life would be nasty, brutish and short.
 
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post Jan 29 2009, 07:49 PM
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I'm not defending Religion here (atheist here)

But science shouldn't be taken so in such high regards. Because of the social ideals that Scientists are smart, and know what they are doing, they have alot of people's respect. People will listen to them. That's why Science is used to manipulate and use as social control. I mean look at the flu shot situation. Scientists says you should get one, but in reality you don't even need it at all. Let's also go as far as Global Warming. Global warming is f*cken fake, but because scientists have said there exists one, people buy into it. Science is a tool for social control. Most of the time when you hear "Health" organizations, 9/10 times they are doing more harm than good. I'm just saying here, that you shouldn't take science as FACTS. Because science isn't always FACTS. It's more like socially accepted FACTS to socially control people's way of thinking and lives. don't get me wrong. science does indeed have legit facts and etc. but if you look at the bigger picture, than that's where i'm getting at.

/rant. rememeber, i ain't defending religion, cuz i got a /rant for religion too.
 
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post Jan 29 2009, 07:52 PM
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yeah but people who take science as fact have a basic misunderstanding of what science is in the first place.


but either way, i would way rather people put their fact title on gravity than on global floods ect ect ect ect for every scientific theory vs religious one
 
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QUOTE(Tung @ Jan 29 2009, 04:49 PM) *
Global warming is f*cken fake

false
 
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QUOTE(KINGdinguhling @ Jan 29 2009, 04:53 PM) *
false

Lol so you actually believe Global warming is real? Yeah, when Al Gore released his book, many environmentalist were awed and believed him. After years though, there's been criticism of this Global Warming idea. Why do you think they refer to it as climate change. Come one, if you look at Earth's history in a geographical and climatic aspect, you will see a pattern. The fact of the matter is, we are currently in the middle of transitioning into another Ice Age. Global Warming is just another tool for social control.
 

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