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My feeble attempt at the explanation of Christianity., You ask questions, and I'll try to answer.
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post Nov 5 2007, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 06:32 PM) *
even if i agreed with u there, god isn't anything like teachers or the government. we can see teachers and the government, there isn't any question to whether they exist or not.

i still don't see the purpose of humans serving him. what does that do for him? he made us just so we could serve him? i don't see why someone all powerful would need anyone to serve him.
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Like I said, you don't have to see a purpose in serving him. It's usually felt rather than seen. You don't see atoms and DNA, but yet we've managed to get a general idea of them and even draw pictures of them. Are you sure atoms exist?

 
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QUOTE(NoSex @ Nov 5 2007, 06:30 PM) *
No, but that's only because they don't love you like God loves you.

Clever remarks and pointless rebuttals are for the lounge and other threads. Not here, please.

Besides, all of the posts you made here I think you're just trying to say some clever remark.

Not working.

But if not, my apologies.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 06:40 PM
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yes, but WHY do u serve him. do u serve him only because if u don't u will go to hell? that's what i'm not understanding.

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i still don't see the purpose of humans serving him. what does that do for him? he made us just so we could serve him? i don't see why someone all powerful would need anyone to serve him.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 06:40 PM) *
yes, but WHY do u serve him. do u serve him only because if u don't u will go to hell? that's what i'm not understanding.

Answers will be different for many.

If you want to know why I serve God; it's because I've received his calling to serve him. Eventually, man will question whether or not his life was lived according to what he was meant to do.

Many in life will question and doubt their existence in the world because they're unsure if what they've done in their entire life was "worth it."

Millions can feel like a millionaire and yet feel like having nothing.

I heard, I answered. Real simple for me.

Also, what does serving God do for God? Not much. If we don't glorify him and worship him, some others will. I can't find the verse right now, but the Scripture says, if we don't worship him, the rocks of the world will. Personally, I'd rather be faster on doing something than a rock will.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 06:49 PM
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^hmmm true, it would be diff for everyone i suppose.

i still don't see what has god has accomplished by creating mankind to serve him, especially when he's left either the option of serving him or suffer eternally.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 06:49 PM) *
^hmmm true, it would be diff for everyone i suppose.

i still don't see what has god has accomplished by creating mankind serve him, especially when he's left either the option of serving him or suffer eternally.

Humans were originally created not just to serve him, but to live with God. Earth was supposed to be awesome.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 06:52 PM
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yeah but he's all knowing remember, he knew it wouldn't be awesome. so i don't see how earth could be any way besides how he wants it
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 6 2007, 10:40 AM) *
yes, but WHY do u serve him. do u serve him only because if u don't u will go to hell? that's what i'm not understanding.

James2:17 Faith that doesnt show itself by good deeds is no faith at all.

It shows our faith through good deeds. We dont serve becuase it says TO BE CHRISTIAN YOU MUST DO SO AND SO. We do so as a result
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 06:55 PM
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Why did God create us?

Just so he could have little servants and see who actually cared enough to talk about him?

To me it just seems like he wanted to boost his ego and created all of us. I dont see a point in him creating humans.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(RAWRstephishere @ Nov 6 2007, 10:55 AM) *
Why did God create us?

Just so he could have little servants and see who actually cared enough to talk about him?

To me it just seems like he wanted to boost his ego and created all of us. I dont see a point in him created humans.

Gensis1:26
The God said "Let us make people in our image, to be like ourselves. They will be masters over all life - this fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the lives stock, wild animals and small animals"

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Multiply and fill the earth and subdue it. Me masters over the fish and the birds amd all the animals
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE(fire @ Nov 5 2007, 07:01 PM) *
Gensis1:26
The God said "Let us make people in our image, to be like ourselves. They will be masters over all life - this fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the lives stock, wild animals and small animals"

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Multiply and fill the earth and subdue it. Me masters over the fish and the birds amd all the animals


This sounds like my english essay, sounds like a good answer to the question, but makes no sense what so ever.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE(fire @ Nov 5 2007, 08:01 PM) *
Gensis1:26
The God said "Let us make people in our image, to be like ourselves. They will be masters over all life - this fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the lives stock, wild animals and small animals"
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Multiply and fill the earth and subdue it. Me masters over the fish and the birds amd all the animals

that doesn't explain why he did it.
quoting the bible doesn't do much btw, because ur debating with people who don't believe the bible is the perfect word of god. if we believed it was, we wouldn't be non believers most likely.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 07:18 PM
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Gods motive for creating us was His motive of love
Eph1:4 Long before he laid down the earths foundations , He had us in mind, had settled on us as the focus of His love.

He made the Earth FOR us. The bible tells us "God is Love" . It doesn't say God has love, it says God IS love and we are created for that purpose.

[edit] As for the above quotes, we were made in Gods own image, we are representatives of him on earth and we are told to "rule" over the world.

I hope this is make sense.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 07:20 PM
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^no offense but u just need to let podo answer.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 07:31 PM
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Ahhh okay, can't say I tried, I'll step out. And yes I can see the point of using the bible to persuade athiests is not a smart choice.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(RAWRstephishere @ Nov 5 2007, 06:55 PM) *
Why did God create us?

Just so he could have little servants and see who actually cared enough to talk about him?

To me it just seems like he wanted to boost his ego and created all of us. I dont see a point in him creating humans.

God created us so we could enjoy ourselves. We were to be masters of the Earth. But we messed up. God knews this.

He uses this example by showing how awesome of a God he is. He actually gave us a planet to live on.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 07:07 PM) *
that doesn't explain why he did it.
quoting the bible doesn't do much btw, because ur debating with people who don't believe the bible is the perfect word of god. if we believed it was, we wouldn't be non believers most likely.

I might have answered your question above...your question seemed similar to rawrstephishere.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE(RAWRstephishere @ Nov 5 2007, 06:55 PM) *
Why did God create us?

Just so he could have little servants and see who actually cared enough to talk about him?

To me it just seems like he wanted to boost his ego and created all of us. I dont see a point in him creating humans.

Also, let me try to explain a little more thoroughly.

God's original plan for man was to rule over Earth. To live peacefully.

But he knew that man would turn to sin, instead of turning to God. So then the real plan from God emerges. The plan to save others, and the plan that all men ( and women, for you feminists ) were to worship God for even allowing us to be saved once more.

Eventually, God's original plan will come back, when Jesus returns and defeats Satan.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 5 2007, 09:41 PM) *
Also, let me try to explain a little more thoroughly.
God's original plan for man was to rule over Earth. To live peacefully.
But he knew that man would turn to sin, instead of turning to God. So then the real plan from God emerges. The plan to save others, and the plan that all men ( and women, for you feminists ) were to worship God for even allowing us to be saved once more.
Eventually, God's original plan will come back, when Jesus returns and defeats Satan.

god is bound completely by his omniscience. he can't think, he can't change his plans, nothing can be other than what it is, because he already knows. he has infinite knowledge.

this all knowing thing makes things way more complicated, i think the idea of god would be better without it

i still don't see what would give god the idea (not that god can get an idea since he already knows everything) to make earth just for us to enjoy ourselves and serve him. i duno, i still don't see the point of that besides just god playing around and making things for fun.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 08:49 PM) *
god is bound completely by his omniscience. he can't think, he can't change his plans, nothing can be other than what it is, because he already knows. he has infinite knowledge.

i still don't see what would give god the idea (not that god can get an idea since he already knows everything) to make earth just for us to enjoy ourselves and serve him. i duno, i still don't see the point of that besides just god playing around and making things for fun.

Generally, humans aren't very grateful for what they have until they have it all taken away. Imagine how the first few generations were. Though that, we all learn.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 5 2007, 09:51 PM) *
Generally, humans aren't very grateful for what they have until they have it all taken away. Imagine how the first few generations were. Though that, we all learn.

true i suppose.
but i don't feel grateful to god for anything. assuming he exists, he made me. but i don't feel grateful for that, because if he didn't make me, it's not like i'd know what i was missing out on or regret something. i wouldn't exist.
 
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QUOTE(NoSex @ Nov 5 2007, 08:55 PM) *

I'm still trying to develop a counter-argument against that. It's a pretty difficult one to answer.
 
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 08:55 PM) *
true i suppose.
but i don't feel grateful to god for anything. assuming he exists, he made me. but i don't feel grateful for that, because if he didn't make me, it's not like i'd know what i was missing out on or regret something. i wouldn't exist.

Of course, there's a lot of things to be thankful and grateful for. I'm still going through things today that astonishes me because of how grateful I should be because of a certain circumstance.

Eventually, you may or may not find things. I'm not too sure on that. Besides, aren't you glad you aren't missing out on things? Life? Everything?
 
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QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 5 2007, 10:02 PM) *
Of course, there's a lot of things to be thankful and grateful for. I'm still going through things today that astonishes me because of how grateful I should be because of a certain circumstance.
Eventually, you may or may not find things. I'm not too sure on that. Besides, aren't you glad you aren't missing out on things? Life? Everything?


i'm grateful for things but i don't attribute any of them to god.
am i glad i'm not missing out on them?
sure, but if god didn't create me i wouldn't know i was missing out on them so it wouldn't matter. i wouldn't be unhappy about it. i wouldn't be anyting, like i said i wouldn't exist
 

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