kryo Options

[Spirited Away]

I realized, and I'm trying to draw the line. There is a difference between pranks and real spoilers. I understood that a little late into this discussion, but you do see the difference.

In the debate forum, people are more than welcome to use examples as evidence. They can reference to anything valid to use as evidence. I don't have a problem with that.

The problem I do have is fueling the fire in this thread.

Okay... gotta go. Have a good day, Suzzette.

[*kryogenix*]

Not to be rude, but i want to point it out:
-posted mislead things
-stubborn
-makes mod's fed up

Yes, we know that you didn’t post spoiler but you were annoying and provoking others. That is true. No offense.
Kyro, do you like attacking members and staff?
What is a good personal judgment?

What's your point? The mods have posted misleading things in the past. The mods are also incredibly stubborn on this issue. And the mods are making the members fed up.

I don't call it attacking. It's calling bullshit on stuff that they shouldn't be getting away with. Good personal judgment is making rational and fair decisions.

^I'm sure he enjoys it at some point.
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You were obnoxiously posting spoilers (or foilers, whatever, it doesn't matter what they're called) in separate topics. Were you really just speculating? So the actual topic with pages and pages of HP discussion weren't good enough for you?

Why do you guys insist on saying I posted spoilers when I didn't and the staff has already admitted that I didn't post spoilers?

Again, unless you can help resolve this issue with information that's needed, I don't expect you to come back to this topic. I'm asking the mods questions here, and intentionally or not, you're diverting attention away from that.

There is nothing to apologize for. Your warning level was reduced, ultimately to get you to shut up. Why? This whole argument is absolutely ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous to even argue that you weren't trying to be misleading. And if it was a joke, when everyone was telling you to STOP you could've dropped a hint. It's RIDICULOUS to think otherwise. And all you got was your posting disabled?? You should've been suspended for all the disruption you caused! And you mean to tell me it's not controversial?! We've basically had a 10 page debate about it plus this topic! No one goes around asking for apologies. It's not necessary. Suck it up, honestly. Stop carrying on.

You still haven't restored me to official members status, and you've still failed to answer questions. And once again, me being misleading IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE. Being misleading is not against the rules, people mislead here on a daily basis, and event the mods have mislead the boards in the past. We already established that I should not have been punished, and that it was a mistake. This is unquestionable. Correct me if I'm wrong, but generally when someone makes a mistake, they should apologize for it. Since you've avoided some of my other questions, answer this one: Do you feel that people should not have to apologize when making mistakes?

If you're going to play the "well this topic was raised so it's controversial" card, we might as well punish you guys for acting on it, because your actions have been equally, if not more, controversial.

Wait....

Ok. So yeah, you're asking for an apology for a verbal warning right? Or an apology in general? I read your list.

I can't apologize for something I don't feel was wrong. Sorry, man. Not that I don't take you seriously, but... are you serious? I mean, I'm sure you are since there doesn't seem to be any tone of humor in that response.

Oh well.

Remember my verbal warning, it was a two parter. So even if I did feel bad about the spoiler deal (which I don't. Sorry, you were posting things as spoilers. I realize that you and a few others don't agree with that. C'est la vie. Diversity in thought makes the world spin round) the other reason would stand regardless.

If a lesson needs to be learned, it is that when warnings are given out, they need to be worded more appropriately. Now that I can and will apologize for on behalf of the staff in general.

So are you now contradicting what your fellow mods have said? Can you guys even get your stories straight? Or are you just contradicting the logic that making a mistake implies you did something wrong. Wait, no, I'm sorry, that's incorrect. It doesn't imply anything, IT MEANS JUST THAT. To make a mistake is to do wrong. You made a mistake. You were wrong.

How can you logically reconcile this with your refusal to apologize? Are you going to continue to contradict previous testimony? Are you going to suggest that those who do wrong do not have to apologize?

And please stop referring to them as spoilers, because that is simply dishonesty (not that it's new for some mods to be dishonest, but I digress). Your "but you were posting them as spoilers so that makes them spoilers!" argument is ridiculous. Does that mean if you post lies as the truth, it then becomes truth (I'm actually afraid someone is going to answer yes)? The insistence of calling them "spoilers" is the reason why this discussion isn't progressing. Call it what it was: a prank. A harmless prank at that.

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So please answer my questions, quit arguing over stuff we already agree on and please consider my requests.

[*tripvertigo*]

This is bullshit. I'll say it again, when the mods do anything wrong, they just get away with it, no questions asked. If the members do anything, they are punished. If they DONT do anything wrong, they are punished.


Where do you draw the line here? People should have to take responsibility for their actions, mod or not.

And Kryo is not asking for much. An apology and a promise that this wont happen again. WE used to get WAY WORSE when we made mistakes as moderators.


Misleading people is not against the rules here on cB. If people CHOSE to make it such a controversial action, then that is THEIR choice. Should they get warned for creating controversy when they COULD have just gotten over the fact that Kryo did NOT post any spoilers, it was merely a joke, and MAYBE they all take Harry Potter a little too seriously for people their age?

[demolished]

Hello Trish,

If misleading people wasn’t a rule, how should the moderator deal with it? Their only option is personal judgment.

[*tripvertigo*]

im saying they should not deal with it. if the members get bent out of shape because of it, then THEY are the ones starting a ruckus. They choose not to let it go. The moderator should tell everyone to calm the f**k down and get over it. it was a joke. move on people. dont make it out to be something bigger than it is.

[demolished]

Oh, i didn’t say you say that.

I'm just asking you a question so the forum can improve ... like what we do to prevent this situation?

Sorry for misinterpretation.

[*kryogenix*]

I believe her answer was for the board to lighten the f**k up.

[*tripvertigo*]

yes. thank you.

to reiterate, i think its up to the members to know when to leave things be. the mods should be "scolding" them not to perpetuate situations that dont have to be as big or offending as they make it to be.

Sure, kryo MIGHT have made a dick move. But really, was it that big of a deal? did the rest of the members in the topic HAVE to blow it up into this whole thing? Maybe if they had just gotten over it, and realized that he didnt post spoilers so their little book wasnt ruined after all, laughed a little and MAYBE... MAYBE get laid sometime this year, the moderators wouldnt have "had" to warn him. (And I quote "had" because i don't think they "had" to do anything, so much as "wanted" to warn him for every little minor thing.)

[DaTru KataLYST]

^ You think they should lighten the f**k up, but do you believe that the members that were making a big deal out of it had the right to complain about Kryo's actions?

[*tripvertigo*]

no. i dont. maybe at first if they THOUGHT they were spoilers, but when everyone figured out that they werent, then people should have just dropped it.

why the hell should people be offended by spoil-free speculation? that's the most retarded, adolescent thing i've heard in my years here at cb.

[HoodNigga]

You're slow on the uptake, aren't you. It's been established too many times that I didn't post spoilers. If you're going to insist that the stuff I was punished for was spoilers, well, might as well declare you in contempt of court now.

Which is why I established myself by saying Authentic or not.

Actually, I couldn't have known I would have gotten in to trouble because there were no rules against it in place.

But I'm sure you knew it would stir up controversy beyond measures of extremities unforeseen. Maybe if you weren't so cynical, you wouldn't be treated the way you claim you are being treated. Furthermore your custom member title warrants this. If you are as big of an a-hole, as you claim, then chances are you will be treated like one even if its unfair or not. All going back to my second post in this thread, issues like this can be avoided in the future but you're bringing a lot of it on yourself.

You are not to respond further to this topic unless you have any information about mod actions, which I doubt you have.

Nah I'll do just like you and keep going even though I'm told to stop.

[*tripvertigo*]

ok i dont see how it even effects the rest of the community whether or not you warn kryo. so to say "im gonna do whats best for the community, and not the individual person" is complete bullshit.

that's point one.

point two:
yes we all realize harry potter is a big deal to some people. i understand they might have been angry and complained when they thought that kryo was posting spoilers. however he was not posting spoilers. when that SIMPLE fact was established, then everyone should have just dropped it and moved on. instead it was blown way out of proportion. that doesnt make any sense. there are two sides to this. yes. kryo initiated it because he made people THINK he was posting spoilers. but what happened after people found out he wasnt? Who was perpetuating it then? Those people should be held accountable in equal measure and force that kryo was.


what happens when you arent posting spoilers but you say "Oh i think 'this' will happen in the end?"

Is that going to spoil the book for anyone? is that against your rules? Does someone scream "OH NO THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY HAPPEN. YOU DONT KNOW. NOW YOU'VE RUINED HARRY POTTER FOREVER YOU RAT BASTARD!"

Then what the hell is the purpose of a discussion on the book BEFORE ITS EVEN COME OUT? Are we all supposed to say "OH YEAH ITS COMING. YEAH. YES. YES. IM GONNA BUY IT. READY? HERE I GO. AWESOME."

And lastly
Your job as moderators is NOT to do whats best for the community, as you so think. Your job is to MODERATE the FORUM. Let jusun decide what's best for his own site. If controversy pops up, you put a stop to it in a way that is fair to everyone; in a way that is respectful to the guidelines that are already in place. You dont go making up your own rules and then applying them to situations that have nothing to do with it. (Like warning kryo for spoilers when technically he did not post any.)

Was it fair to warn and mute kryo? no. i think that's obvious. If you did or you didnt, would that even effect the rest of the members in any way? No. It wouldnt. Being a moderator doesnt give you a gun and a badge. You dont just shoot down the first person that has a problem. Sorry but you're not cb cops.

And you cant enforce rules RETROACTIVELY.

That is complete bullshit. If a member is not breaking a rule and you ask them to stop what they are doing, they are completely within their rights to challenge you. That doesnt mean you should go MAKE it a rule and then say "Hah, I gotchya bitch." That is a complete abuse of your powers.

[sadolakced acid]

-makes mod's fed up

since when is it wrong to tell an authority to take a stick out their fucking ass?

Anyways, you can't spoil the 7th book more than JK rowling has. I mean seriously. someone can go dig up my old posts. More than a year ago i predicted:

1. Harry is the 7th horcrux
2. Harry dies in order to kill the dark lord.
3. This book wasn't going to be at hogwarts.

It's all fucking obvious.

And seriously. If you really cared about not seeing spoilers, stay off the fucking web. Because you know there are going to be fucking spoilers. And if you don't your fucking stupid.

Sheesh. Seriously.

[*Elba*]

So, Harry Potter dies? YOU BASTARDS

[*shotgunFUNERAL*]

i think the point they are trying to bring across is that no one could prove they were true, nor could james, therefore he shouldn't have been warned for something that couldn't be proved until the book came out. i think they also are trying to prove the since the information could not be proved, people should have not taken it so seriously, especially since he didn't have the book in hand.

[*ersatz*]

^ But the book was already leaked on the internet so he easily could have gotten it from there...so...the fact that no one had the book doesn't matter.

[*tripvertigo*]

but do you know that?

no.

since when is it alright to warn people based on "facts" that you can't even prove?

Yeah, it is our job. Yeah, we ask him when big things come up. Jusun isn't active enough all the time to play that active of a role in the community. He's said over and over again that he trusts the decisions that we make. And I've PM'ed Jusun countless times before I made certain decisions with kryo, and he's backed me.

We were moderating the forum.

how convenient that you picked that first part of my paragraph, and didnt address the entire thing as a while.

how do you know whats best for the forum? is this your site? no. did you know what was best for the forum when you all started purging all the crappy layouts and resource submissions? gee i wonder how many page clicks jusun lost when you did that.

[brooklyneast05]

but do you know that?

no.

since when is it alright to warn people based on "facts" that you can't even prove?

but people do know that
information of harry potter leaks were ALL OVER THE NEWS would lead people to believe that they could have been true spoilers. the fact that scholastic is taking legal action against Levy Home Entertainment and DeepDiscount.com for shipping before it was time, which allowed people to get the book earlier, and read it, and put it up on the internet. real spoilers were out, and there is real proof of that, and real legal action is going on, so i don't get why it's so hard to believe that people could take them as being real.

read/watch the news
it was all over it before the book was released

[*kryogenix*]

Which is why I established myself by saying Authentic or not.

Read all my posts again and figure out why you're wrong. I've gone over this already, I'm not wasting my time with someone who doesn't add anything useful to the discussion at hand.

But I'm sure you knew it would stir up controversy beyond measures of extremities unforeseen. Maybe if you weren't so cynical, you wouldn't be treated the way you claim you are being treated. Furthermore your custom member title warrants this. If you are as big of an a-hole, as you claim, then chances are you will be treated like one even if its unfair or not. All going back to my second post in this thread, issues like this can be avoided in the future but you're bringing a lot of it on yourself.

Nah I'll do just like you and keep going even though I'm told to stop.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You're now ignored until you can demonstrate the ability to provide useful input.

^ AGREED 100%

Okay..bottom line--he did post spoilers.
Spoilers spoil the book.

Changing stories again!

If you are waiting for the Harry Potter book and you hear that a lot of people are dying in it, and someone posts something like "HARRY POTTER DIES." "SNAPE KILLS HERMIONE UNDER THE IMPERIOUS CURSE"..You don't know if that's true or not. However it could very well be true. It spoils the book for you because that ending could very well happen.

Spoiler.

Then I'd read the book, find out it wasn't true, and be relieved that it wasn't the truth. I wouldn't be a crybaby pussy abut it. There's a reason people like plot twist. Think of this as an artificial plot twist.

You say the members are overreacting. A lot of members say it was warranted. So where does that get us? Why should we stop the world for the opinions of some? If this was anyone else it would've been done and over with. They wouldn't go around boasting about what ass-holes they are and how they get away with stuff. If you think really hard about this whole situation, you will find that it is completely and absolutely ridiculous.

I already know it's ridiculous.

Just don't be an asswipe. Harry Potter is obviously a big damn deal...look how successful it is. I don't care much about it, other people might not either. But when you try to spoil a book like that for many people (YES, THEY WERE SPOILERS IF YOU NEED ME TO ELABORATE AGAIN--I WILL) you are not being considerate to the community at all. People will complain. People DID complain. People will be punished. He WASN'T the only one. That is our job as moderators to do what's best for the community. Not what's best for individual people. The MAJORITY didn't like it, so you can leave your individual opinions at the door unless you want to comment on every other decision ever made.

So now you're going to mod based on majority opinion? And if you're doing what's best for the community, why would you start drama like the April Fool's joke you pulled?

And if this happens again in the future, I will not hesitate to do the same thing. Also, we are not going to change the rules because a few people are complaining. I'm tired of doing that. I'm tired of the members walking all over the moderators, because some people don't have a f**king backbone. This is why we are in this desolate situation. There are no boundaries. There are no guidelines. There is nothing to lighten the f**k up on, because every time someone complains..there is a "NEW RULE".

So you admit it's an issue of pride. And you just contradicted yourself yet again.

And for god's sake there doesn't need to be a f**king spoiler rule. THAT'S COMMON SENSE. If you are going to post a spoiler, CLEARLY WARN PEOPLE. Otherwise you are just being an ass-hole and YOU WILL BE PUNISHED.

WOW. WE'VE ALREADY AGREED THAT IT WASN'T A SPOILER. Why are you changing your story now?

Wow..I'm just completely done with this.

Other than this:
Yeah, it is our job. Yeah, we ask him when big things come up. Jusun isn't active enough all the time to play that active of a role in the community. He's said over and over again that he trusts the decisions that we make. And I've PM'ed Jusun countless times before I made certain decisions with kryo, and he's backed me.

We were moderating the forum.

And I've discussed the issue with micron and he acknowledges that I didn't post spoilers and that the only reason he could come up with to not revoke the punishment was because it was selfish of me to ask, which is a fallacious argument at best and doesn't stand. That's why he created this topic, because I demanded a good explanation and he couldn't give me one.

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still waiting for some questions to be answered that haven't been yet.

[*alovesopure*]

I don't know if this has been asked yet, so forgive me if it has.
But if the spoilers weren't true, what was the point of posting them?
Just curious.

[*Steven*]

^That's what one of the big arguments is, that it was not in fact a spoiler(despite whether or not it actually came true in the book).

[*kryogenix*]

Excuse the double post, I'm trying to avoid a quote tag overflow.

There's an obvious difference between speculation and misleading.

Speculation is theory. Misleading is pretending to know confirmed information and bragging about it to an online forum full of fans. And after lots of complaints from members, still continuing to post spoilers. But this time, it's not actually pretending, it's actually the real spoiler that was leaked on the internet.

The spoilers you posted were not "speculation." Simply which character dies at which page.

You didn't read the thread, did you?

THE POSTS IN QUESTION DID NOT INCLUDE PAGE NUMBERS. THE POSTS IN QUESTION WERE NOT SPOILERS. THE MODS AND EVEN MICRON HAVE AGREED ON THIS POINT.

It's deliberately hurtful and annoying.

And having my posting ability gimped and refusing to restore it after an admission of having made a mistake is what...?

There were some members who DID avoid the internet during the time the book was out, but knowing that the REAL spoilers were already out in the open, you took the liberty to post it all around the forums with no warning.

Which is not against the rules.

It's just common courtesy not to do that.
You go on IMDB and you see annoying 11 year olds typing in sticky caps or whatever and they say "WARNING, SPOILER" before a proved plot point.

And it's common courtesy not to be redundant and try to argue things that both sides have already come to a conclusion on, only to contradict yourself later.

[*tripvertigo*]

but people do know that
information of harry potter leaks were ALL OVER THE NEWS would lead people to believe that they could have been true spoilers. the fact that scholastic is taking legal action against Levy Home Entertainment and DeepDiscount.com for shipping before it was time, which allowed people to get the book earlier, and read it, and put it up on the internet. real spoilers were out, and there is real proof of that, and real legal action is going on, so i don't get why it's so hard to believe that people could take them as being real.

read/watch the news
it was all over it before the book was released

DO
YOU
KNOW
THAT
KRYOS
SPOILERS
WERE
REAL
SPOILERS
OR
NOT?


IF
YOU
AGREE
THAT
YOU
DONT
KNOW
WHETHER
THEY
ARE
OR
ARENT,
HOW
IS
IT
OKAY
TO
WARN
PEOPLE
BASED
ON
CONJECTURE?

[*kryogenix*]

I don't know if this has been asked yet, so forgive me if it has.
But if the spoilers weren't true, what was the point of posting them?
Just curious.

Read the thread. It was a joke. Of course when I pull a joke, it's against the rules, but when the mods do it and use their mod powers to facilitate the joke, it's all fun and games.

[*alovesopure*]

That... didn't answer my question. haha that was to steven. haha

The thread being 10 pages long, I really didn't have the time to read it, but okay. I understand now, thanks James.