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[*Steven*]

Touching story. And yet, that's all irrelevant because I didn't actually post spoilers.

The only real objection anyone can have is whether or not it's acceptable to do practical jokes. And since it's been done in the past (even spearheaded by the mods) I figured it would be ok. Pretty much people are saying "I'M PISSED OFF NOW BECAUSE YOU MADE ME PISSED OFF BACK THEN." Think about how silly that is.

I'm not accusing you of spoilers. I'm arguing with Fae, and while it may be out of place, oops?

[*tripvertigo*]

okay.. so i just read the last two pages of this.

and all the argument now is that people who post spoilers are bad people and it's right to warn them for it.



HE DIDNT POST ANY f**kING SPOILERS.

[heyyfrankie]

LMFAO!
guys, this is getting ridiculous ahhahaha

EDIT//
i mean, this conversation...argument...talk hasn't gone anywhere.

[*SayBloodyMary*]

James, I'm reducing your warning level.

Fine, you didn't actually break a rule. Congratulations, you are very clever and special.

[*kryogenix*]

I'm expecting an apology, an admission of the mistake from those involved, and a promise that things like this will not happen in the future.

[heyyfrankie]

would the apology satisfy you even if you knew it wasn't sincere?

[*kryogenix*]

Read the post above yours and you tell me.

[*Sandraaa*]

Oh oh, can I apologize? I feel like it!

[heyyfrankie]

Read the post above yours and you tell me.

i could imagine them admitting to their mistakes...but i highly doubt that they'll be sorry at all.

[Spirited Away]

So my boss walked out of her office in the midst of my attempting to reply the first time and told me I need to FedEx some stuff for her. Next thing I know, she's asking me "what's create a blog?"

Anyway...

Well, you could also say that by reading the book, it pays off mentally/emotionally. People have attachments to the book and the storyline and would like to read it on their own. If I were to make an analogy such as the one you made, then I could say it would be like someone offering you a job to do something easy that pays by the hour, but someone else comes along and completes it for you, leaving you with no pay because it didn't take you any time. At the same time, it still saves you from doing the work.

Tee hee... I love analogies.
It pays off emotionally when you finish a book, definitely. However, are you really comparing this to working/having a job? Sorry, but because I had a paying job since I was 16, I can't really understand this analogy. In other words, I cannot understand this obsession with a book. The claim of similarity in the seriousness of having a job and getting to finish a book without spoilers is beyond my imagination (even though I'm quite imaginative). One is for leisure, the other is for survival (for most of us--I can't go to school without my jobs). I hope you understand why I cannot grasp this concept.

Do I mind someone doing the work for me and getting paid on my behalf? No I don't mind. I'll just find another job. I adjust easy. I also understand that there are those who do not adjust easy, but here's something about life everyone should know: "it's not fair". Sometimes, you just have to deal with the problem, and move on. The more you upset/obsess over something trivial, the more stress you'll have. You'll just blow up one day because you didn't have your way with reading Harry Potter. Wow.

Yes, that may be true, but there are those who don't want to hear what happens. If people want to know what happens, it isn't hard to find it. Others, however, who aren't given proper warning, could read something by accident and wish they hadn't read it, but they can't take it back or forget what they just read.

Yes, it isn't hard to find it, but why not find it on cB, too? I seriously think if you're tempted to go into a place with possible spoilers, you know the risks your taking somewhere in the dark recess of your mind. In the end, you blame someone else for spoiling the story for you even though you took the risk. (I'm using the general "you", not you personally, fyi).

Also, regarding a few pages back in regard to thumbed images vs spoiler tags, you can always fix a thumbed image and then the forum is no longer stretched, and I doubt that seeing a forum stretched on that post is going to mentally damage or upset you for an extended period of time. People look forward to reading the book to find out what happens for themselves, but posting spoilers that aren't marked as spoilers or hidden from view by spoiler tags tend to get read and you can't erase what you just read in your head.

Well, I've wondered if you've ever seen someone getting "yelled" at for stretching the forum. People complain excessively until a mod thumbnails it. Why do you think we have regulations on the size of our signatures? It was, in part, because of these complaints.

For someone to be upset at a spoiler for an extended period of time is... wow. I'm sorry that they have to suffer such a tragedy, but I do wish, in time, they learn to control their zeal for such things because not getting what you wish for is a part of life. (All general "you").

Anyway, our tirade isn't helping with the discussion. I totally think you should open a topic on this in the debate forum. Edit--I'm asking you because I don't have much luck with making threads.

By no means should a prank be announced to the entire community; one mod is enough, and then they can tell the other mods, and it's not a problem.

I'm just trying to point out that there's wrongs on both sides of this thing. I support what happened; I probably would have done the same in such a situation, but now it should be lifted and amends should be made. Both sides should apologize, one for punishing when it was a joke and the other for making it out to seem like whoever did the punishing was entirely out of their minds when any sane person would have thought the same.

Well, someone should add this to the community guidelines: Before you pull a prank, tell at least one moderator. To be honest, that sounds like a horrible rule because real pranks aren't set up like that. It would make me think cB is ruled by a bunch of old farts with no sense of humor. One more way to kill cB.

With all that said, I have no thoughts on how this should be resolved. Obviously, the main players aren't ready to own up to anything, if there's something. I just like to talk. So... yea... okay... bye bye.

[HakunaMatata]

i could imagine them admitting to their mistakes...but i highly doubt that they'll be sorry at all.

But see, we didn't make a mistake. We stand behind that. With the information we had at the time, we made the decision that would benefit the community. Now that it's been revealed that they are foilers - something we could not of known at the time, we have repealed the punishment.

[*kryogenix*]

But see, we didn't make a mistake. We stand behind that. With the information we had at the time, we made the decision that would benefit the community. Now that it's been revealed that they are foilers - something we could not of known at the time, we have repealed the punishment.

The second part is an admission of that mistake... yet you're not sorry? Why else would you repeal something?

Cop analogy again. That's like them saying "Well, we used the information at the time, and it's too bad he got shot, but we're not sorry and we didn't do anything wrong."

[*mzkandi*]

Honestly speaking (and I hope this doesn't offend you) but I can't help but think you posted that knowing you would cause of rise out of people (those that read the book) before the book was release.

[sadolakced acid]

even if he did it doesn't justify the response.

[heyyfrankie]

But see, we didn't make a mistake. We stand behind that. With the information we had at the time, we made the decision that would benefit the community. Now that it's been revealed that they are foilers - something we could not of known at the time, we have repealed the punishment.

yes, at the time it may have not been a mistake, but in regards to the new information, it really was. I'm not saying that it's anyone's FAULT...just a mistake.

&james, wtf is an apology gonna change??! seriously...?
in their eyes (i'm assuming) that you were being disrespectful and they did what was needed then. I mean, i don't understand how you can expect them to be worshipping you, begging for forgiveness when you were the one playing a "joke"...

[HoodNigga]

LOL a lot of stuff Kryo does he brings on himself though. He reminds me of Rasheed Wallace when he fouls someone. Wallace knows he fouled the player but yet he argues with the referee as if he done nothing wrong, resulting in a technical foul.

Kryo is CB's Rasheed Wallace.

LOL yall got this dude on trial like Kobe.

[*kryogenix*]

And you have actually posted true spoilers:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...amp;pid=2638926
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...p;#entry2639235

Irrelevant considering it was done 10 days AFTER the warning, not to mention it was put in spoiler tags.

And WTF at the second one? You have lost your mind.

Ventriloquist, when someone makes a mistake, it usually is their fault. That's how the world works. Deal with it.

LOL a lot of stuff Kryo does he brings on himself though. He reminds me of Rasheed Wallace when he fouls someone. Wallace knows he fouled the player but yet he argues with the referee as if he done nothing wrong, resulting in a technical foul.

Kryo is CB's Rasheed Wallace.

LOL yall got this dude on trial like Kobe.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

edit:



I've got a message from my brethren Podomaht. It seems like your testimony contains a lie. You claim that the mods were the ones to put spoiler tags in his post, but he says that he put the spoiler tags first.

Of course, this isn't the first time a mod has blatantly lied about punishment, so I think this warrants further investigation.

[heyyfrankie]

Ventriloquist, when someone makes a mistake, it usually is their fault. That's how the world works. Deal with it.

Now you're the one not answering questions...

[*ersatz*]

Fae, I never said it had to be a rule; that's ridiculous, but if something like this happens again and no one is told, then the person shouldn't be surprised if measures are taken.

[HoodNigga]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Hahahaha that made me smile.

Rasheed Wallace: *fouls dude* OMG THAT WASN'T A FOUL!!!!
Kyro: *post spoilers* OMG I DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!

Authentic spoilers or not.

The analogy is definitely there, you knew what you did would cause controversy but yet you sit here pretending like you're oblivious to the fact that it would cause trouble.

[*kryogenix*]

Now you're the one not answering questions...

Wow guy. If you failed to understand what I said there, I question your comprehension of these proceedings. What purpose have you served here other than to be a yes man for the mods? Unless you can answer questions for them, I suggest you butt out. All you are doing here is cluttering the thread. You cannot and have not provided any useful input.

Haha..I edited the link. I posted the wrong one. =]

It is relevant. We're talking about you posting spoilers? You post foilers and you post spoilers...how are we supposed to know which ones are real? What are you still complaining about? An apology? I'm sorry you misled everyone to think that you were posting spoilers, and you got warned for it and then your warning level got reduced.

Case closed.

Again, attempting to shirk responsibility. How are you supposed to know what's for real? Exactly. You chose to act, you gambled, you made the wrong decision, and now you should be held responsible. This false bravado of yours only serves to make you look more stupid.

There are too many questions left unanswered for you to even consider terminating this discussion. You are compelled to answer my questions. We're just getting started.

Besides, you haven't restored my official member status.

Fae, I never said it had to be a rule; that's ridiculous, but if something like this happens again and no one is told, then the person shouldn't be surprised if measures are taken.

And don't be surprised if people get pissed off when you commit a false positive and demand an apology when their posting rights are affected because the mods made a mistake.

Hahahaha that made me smile.

Rasheed Wallace: *fouls dude* OMG THAT WASN'T A FOUL!!!!
Kyro: *post spoilers* OMG I DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!

Authentic spoilers or not.

The analogy is definitely there, you knew what you did would cause controversy but yet you sit here pretending like you're oblivious to the fact that it would cause trouble.

You're slow on the uptake, aren't you. It's been established too many times that I didn't post spoilers. If you're going to insist that the stuff I was punished for was spoilers, well, might as well declare you in contempt of court now.

Actually, I couldn't have known I would have gotten in to trouble because there were no rules against it in place.

You are not to respond further to this topic unless you have any information about mod actions, which I doubt you have.

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In any case, here's what we know so far:

-I was punished
-The reason cited was posting spoilers
-I did not actually post spoilers
-Mods have admitted to having made a mistake

What I am after:

-A sincere apology
-A promise to make a concerted effort to avoid this in the future
-A promise to enforce the rules equally

[demolished]

Not to be rude, but i want to point it out:
-posted mislead things
-stubborn
-makes mod's fed up

Yes, we know that you didn’t post spoiler but you were annoying and provoking others. That is true. No offense.


Kyro, do you like attacking members and staff?
What is a good personal judgment?

[*davinci*]

^I'm sure he enjoys it at some point.
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You were obnoxiously posting spoilers (or foilers, whatever, it doesn't matter what they're called) in separate topics. Were you really just speculating? So the actual topic with pages and pages of HP discussion weren't good enough for you?

[*superstitious*]

Wait....

Ok. So yeah, you're asking for an apology for a verbal warning right? Or an apology in general? I read your list.

I can't apologize for something I don't feel was wrong. Sorry, man. Not that I don't take you seriously, but... are you serious? I mean, I'm sure you are since there doesn't seem to be any tone of humor in that response.

Oh well.

Remember my verbal warning, it was a two parter. So even if I did feel bad about the spoiler deal (which I don't. Sorry, you were posting things as spoilers. I realize that you and a few others don't agree with that. C'est la vie. Diversity in thought makes the world spin round) the other reason would stand regardless.

If a lesson needs to be learned, it is that when warnings are given out, they need to be worded more appropriately. Now that I can and will apologize for on behalf of the staff in general.

[Spirited Away]

There is nothing to apologize for. Your warning level was reduced, ultimately to get you to shut up. Why? This whole argument is absolutely ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous to even argue that you weren't trying to be misleading. And if it was a joke, when everyone was telling you to STOP you could've dropped a hint. It's RIDICULOUS to think otherwise. And all you got was your posting disabled?? You should've been suspended for all the disruption you caused! And you mean to tell me it's not controversial?! We've basically had a 10 page debate about it plus this topic! No one goes around asking for apologies. It's not necessary. Suck it up, honestly. Stop carrying on.

That particular topic stems from my discussion with Steven and was not relevant (nor true) to this thread. That is why I suggest we take it to debate. It's not "true" to this thread because we're talking about spoilers, not foilers, or in this case, pranks.

Again, I don't have any idea on a solution, I just don't want something I cooked up with Steven to be in the way/add fuel to the fire.