Well... this is kind of like the lounge..., Exept you talk about graphic design. Options

[*Uronacid*]

Before posting realize that I am only referring to the Graphics Showcase section, thank you.

I don't waste my time the graphic showcase section anymore because I rarely see anything original graphics. It seems as just about every piece of "artwork" is a/an:

• Blend
• Icon
• Signature
• Vector-overlay
• Photo-manipulation
• Collage
• (note: I am leaving out colorization, because copyrighted images are generally needed to do this)

made using copyright images. I'm not saying that it doesn't take great skill or effort to create these pieces, but I am saying that it limits your creativity. I hate seeing people create a collage of copywrited images and call it their own work, yet I see it all the time. I upsets me. If I ever saw someone take my work, create a blend, and seriously call it their own, I would be furious.

Alright, to be fair, I know that even I occasionally create things based upon the copyrighted work of others, but the majority of my artwork is original. I rarely see completely original artwork found in the showcase forum. It seems as if 99.9% of the creations seen on Createblog are made using copyrighted images. I have a better chance at getting someone pregnant while wearing a condom than seeing a completely original piece of artwork on this site.

Many of you may think I'm complaining, but I'm not. I'm only stating the truth. This is createblog.com. A place that was supposedly grounded on creativity, and the only thing I see is copyrighted images being claimed by impostors as artwork. Do you think that this is creative? This wouldn't be such a problem if it wasn't such a frequent thing. Look at the first page:

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=168267
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=168121
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6287/danfu4.jpg
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=167545
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=167584

*sigh*

What are your thoughts?

[*mona lisa*]

I remember making many, many wallpapers and avatars with images of famous people. They were all removed from deviantART. I understand why that happened though. It just annoys when me when I see others doing the same and their works have been left untouched. I now tend to make things starting with a blank canvas.

However, I have to disagree with the photomanipulation you gave as an example. Those photos were taken from deviantART stock accounts. These stock providers actually want others to use their photos and get creative with them. Yes, people use copyrighted images in photomanipulations, but it isn't in this case.

[Blaqheartedstar]

oo my thing made the list...
i knew i shouldn't of made that post... (but seeing as how i never made one... whatever)

but i know what u mean... if i knew how to draw i would make all sorts of stuff using my own art but i don't... i usually take pics and edit my own seeing as how DA doesn't allowed edits of celebs...

*back to my post* although her art has a copyright i didn't claim it as my own as many people do... i try to avoid people posting all sorts of complaints that the art isn't mine

[*Uronacid*]

oo my thing made the list...
i knew i shouldn't of made that post... (but seeing as how i never made one... whatever)

but i know what u mean... if i knew how to draw i would make all sorts of stuff using my own art but i don't... i usually take pics and edit my own seeing as how DA doesn't allowed edits of celebs...

*back to my post* although her art has a copyright i didn't claim it as my own as many people do... i try to avoid people posting all sorts of complaints that the art isn't mine

Right, I respect that, good call... I guess I would just like to see people make some more stuff from scratch.

[clarity]

not all people can draw.
not to mention take photographs.

i see where your going, but i don't really mind it. i mean as long as they give credit, (which they don't, I know. ) i don't see anything wrong with it.

When making a layout, and using a photo of a celeb, i usually see in the credit area "photos from...", "stock images from...", etc.



I suck at drawing.

[Kontroll]

I suck at designing things with the computer. I always like to see new things though. So, I guess you're right in that aspect Josh. Things get old.

They should make a forum for interior and exterior design. I would love that. Showcase my room. Haha. And my garden. Well, it's winter so it will look like crap, but in the summer.

That would be cool I guess, at least for the half gay sensitive guy like me. I must be emo. *sigh*

[freeflow]

I tend to do some of the stuff you listed above (as in blends, etc but not the stealing images part. I tend to credit the people who's resources I use.) but if I could do stuff from scratch then I would . Have I tried, on my free time yes. It would be fun to see many other types of artwork made from scratch but not everyone can come up with stuff like that. So it really doens't bother me at all.

But I do see your point, but as Lucy (or *insert name you wanted us to call you here* ) said, it doesn't bother me as long as credit is present or if you can obviously tell they are not trying to say the made things or took things that they didn't.

i knew i shouldn't of made that post... (but seeing as how i never made one... whatever)

There is nothing wrong with your post, your was listed because it was on the first page. You are obviously not trying to steal the image used. Its not like your posting say " I CR3ATED THIS CUMPL3T3LY ON Mi OWN." Its crap like that , that really shouldn't be posted, but I would encourage that you post more of your designs. (I know I didn't comment in the topic, but I don't in a lot, but I still view them.)

[*Kathleen*]

Right, I respect that, good call... I guess I would just like to see people make some more stuff from scratch.

Mrrm. I've tried abstract stuff from scratch, but I don't know.. I feel like I'm incapable of improving despite how hard I work at it. Gah.. I remember when Nick (waccoon) would post his stuff.. holy crap. I was and still am intimidated by that sort of 'art.'

[*Uronacid*]

Mrrm. I've tried abstract stuff from scratch, but I don't know.. I feel like I'm incapable of improving despite how hard I work at it. Gah.. I remember when Nick (waccoon) would post his stuff.. holy crap. I was and still am intimidated by that sort of 'art.'

OMG.... Nick was awsome... *sigh* He took his own pictures and everything :]

There is nothing wrong with your post, your was listed because it was on the first page. You are obviously not trying to steal the image used. Its not like your posting say " I CR3ATED THIS CUMPL3T3LY ON Mi OWN." Its crap like that , that really shouldn't be posted, but I would encourage that you post more of your designs. (I know I didn't comment in the topic, but I don't in a lot, but I still view them.) [/size]

I completly agree, there is nothing wrong with his post... I didn't mean to make an example out of him, there where plenty of other posts I could have used. I just got lazy, and went to the first page... xD

[technicolour]

Why do you always have to do this? Always have to bring out a fault in everything on this site?

You have to start somewhere. I started doing that stuff. Thats how I learned a lot of tips and tricks. It's just what I did. Learning to blend, color effects on images all using fashion spreads.

And by what you said in the paragraph after your list, then my signature must bug the utter crap out of you because it is a "collage" of "copyrighted images".

Want original?

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3005/ra...wdrawingel7.jpg
Lineart of a sketch I did ages ago. I can't draw. But I can doodle the hell out of something.
Everyone has the ability to be original. It's not just the pictures that matter. It's how you assemble the pictures. To give it an effect. Perhaps we have lots of Professional Manipulators (in a graphics sense) blooming onto the site.


And you yourself are a liar.

http://home.nycap.rr.com/jkeal/Pon2.gif

Whats this? A rip of http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/407016...me+-in%3Ascraps perhaps? Come on. You even named it the same name!



I can guarantee you that this will be the last time I read this thread. And if I do read it, then it'll only be out of curiousity as to what you're posting in return, if you do. But I doubt I will reply. Just felt like adding my two cents.

[Blaqheartedstar]

I completly agree, there is nothing wrong with his post... I didn't mean to make an example out of him, there where plenty of other posts I could have used. I just got lazy, and went to the first page... xD

he? him? lol i'm female
but its ok its not the first time i was mistaken for a dude

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Are graphics utlizing images that are copyrighted, and then claimed entirely as original troubling (for lack of a better word) you or it it any graphic that utilizes a copyrighted image (regardless of credit) that you find issues with?

I can appreciate your concern for originality, but to throw something out there - Perhaps the canvas (or original image) isn't unique or original, but the way the image has been interpreted, utilized, manipulated, etc is.

[MiraLiz]

I have to agree with you on some points. I've noticed that the Graphics Showcase is basically enduring a long, drawn-out death because of the lack of original/fresh material. However, as other posters have pointed out - you have to start somewhere. There are a few steps between opening Photoshop for the first time and producing unique, professional quality digital artwork. I do agree with you, though, that artwork using copyrighted images should not be posted here. It's against the law, and it's wrong. I'll admit that I did it myself years ago, but haven't for a very long time. If people want to practice using copyrighted images, then those images need to stay in their 'My Pictures' folders.

However, I believe that photo manipulations, blends, collages, vectors, etc that are made with stock images and are respectful to the wishes of the stock providers are considered original art. Skilled photo manipulators like sheispretty, johndelano, cutteroz, and many more...are they not considered true artists because they include stock photography in their works? I think not. There are hundreds of stock photographers on deviantArt alone, encouraging people to use their photos. Hours and hours of work are put into changing even the simplest of photos into something expressive and magical. This, in my opinion, is just as "original" and worthwhile as any other form of art.

Thank you for hearing me out. =)

[much2muse]

A place that was supposedly grounded on creativity, and the only thing I see is copyrighted images being claimed by impostors as artwork. Do you think that this is creative?

yea, actually, i do think it's creative. If a person has the ability to turn a bunch of regular boring pictures into an awesome collage, i think its pretty damn creative, whether they took the pictures themself or not. i've seen some amazing graphics created with copyrighted images. Like someone said earlier, not everyone can draw. If we all could, i'm sure all of us would draw the unique stuff we have in our minds and then make it look cooler in a graphics program. However, for the people who cant do this, they display their imaginations and thoughts by editing images that have already been taken and creating something with them, maybe into a piece of unique work that means something to them. And yes, at times the images used are copyrighted. But it's not like people who use copyrighted images and edit/manipulate them into their graphics are all "look at this piece of artwork i 100% created in photoshop with just the default tools!"

So i guess all fanart bothers you.

I can appreciate your concern for originality, but to throw something out there - Perhaps the canvas (or original image) isn't unique or original, but the way the image has been interpreted, utilized, manipulated, etc is.

i agree.

[*Uronacid*]

yea, actually, i do think it's creative. If a person has the ability to turn a bunch of regular boring pictures into an awesome collage, i think its pretty damn creative, whether they took the pictures themself or not. i've seen some amazing graphics created with copyrighted images. Like someone said earlier, not everyone can draw. If we all could, i'm sure all of us would draw the unique stuff we have in our minds and then make it look cooler in a graphics program. However, for the people who cant do this, they display their imaginations and thoughts by editing images that have already been taken and creating something with them, maybe into a piece of unique work that means something to them. And yes, at times the images used are copyrighted. But it's not like people who use copyrighted images and edit/manipulate them into their graphics are all "look at this piece of artwork i 100% created in photoshop with just the default tools!"

So i guess all fanart bothers you.
i agree.

I don't think it's all "fanart" that bothers me. I think it has to do with people coming in one after the other and doing the same thing over and over again. I think that i have just been on this site long enough for it to bother me.