Winter Holiday? Options

[DisneyPrincessKa...]

Around here places are no longer selling Christmas trees. They are selling Holiday trees instead. People refrain from using the term Christmas tree for fear of offending those who do not celebrate Christmas. I am unaware of any holiday during december that uses a Christmas tree, so why do we need to change the name?

Now, Christmas is the most main stread holiday out there. Not everyone celebrates it, but it is very highly advertised. If it is such a popular holiday why must the media deny it's meaning? It celebrates the birth of Christ, however people often dance around that because they do not want to offend others.

Should there be a new holiday for buying presents, one that has no religious ties? Or should Chirstmas be Christmas and not "The Winter Holiday"? I'd especially like to hear from those of you who do not celebrate Christmas.

[HuGzNKissEs]

Everyone is sort of argueing the point that non-christians dont care....well in that case they should NOT have changed the name from Christmas tree to "holiday" tree. But in reality.....there are still a few non-christians who DO care & start rucuss about things like that. It's people who react to these things that cry until things are done their way. If only people stopped listening to them things would be done a lot better. Such as no God in school...most people who dont believe in God wouldn't give a care if I stood up & prayed during class...they just wouldn't participate. But its the few that do argue about it that get to make the decision....SO unfair!

[Spirited Away]

Everyone is sort of argueing the point that non-christians dont care....well in that case they should NOT have changed the name from Christmas tree to "holiday" tree.   But in reality.....there are still a few non-christians who DO care & start rucuss about things like that.  It's people who react to these things that cry until things are done their way.  If only people stopped listening to them things would be done a lot better.  Such as no God in school...most people who dont believe in God wouldn't give a care if I stood up & prayed during class...they just wouldn't participate.  But its the few that do argue about it that get to make the decision....SO unfair!

The originator of this thread did not specify WHO it was that alter the name Christmas tree to "holiday" tree. Can you? Actually, it seems you think non-Christians are the ones responsible for the new name. Am I reading that correctly? You don't think Christians aren't capable of wanting to target new markets to gain money?

You make it sound like the non-Christians who do care are whiners. What about Christians who have a problem with the new "holiday tree" name? I can assure you that Christians are crying and are starting a "rucuss" until things are done their way, too. If people would stop listening to these Christians, things would be better as well. Now that's fairness.

disco infiltrator...you clearly misevaluate my posts. You must believe that I have something against non-christians....which i DONT. My brother is non-christian & i respect him & love him to death. In my post i simply argued about the few non-christians that choose to take away the few rights christians have left religion-wise. If you allow me to pray to God as I please then I have nothing against you. Once again, your beliefs are YOURS which you may freely voice...as long as I am aloud to voice mine as well. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I am not hear to hurt anyone's feelings

I had to laugh at that. Is that what you truly think? That Christians have "few" rights? If so, then non-Christians have no rights at all base on your scale of what is "few". For example, "schools observe Christian holidays but not Muslim, Jewish, Hindu... etc holidays. Test won't be given on Christian holidays (mostly because we're conveniently out of school), yet it is not taken into consideration that exams are given during the holidays of other religions. So, Christians get a perk at the "expense" of other religions. I don't think that's fair either, but it seems that's the way this society works, right? Winners and losers. You can't win all the time." [by me in a similar thread]

No one is forbidding you to pray to God, nor is anyone forbidding any Christian to use the term "Christmas tree", but it seems Christians are wanting to forbid the term "holiday tree" simply because it's un-Christian. Talk about few rights.


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Cracks me up that this is a religious free country, but many petty jealousies conveniently put a cap on that which the US Constitution so clearly states. There are fanatics, like a Mr. Wildmon, who would be miffed that the President helped Muslims celebrate Ramadan and wish his friends and family a "Happy Holiday Season". It seems this man is unreasonably jealous that Muslims have a place in the White House. And while Rev Jerry Falwell may believe that this is a nation "under God", not every citizen—with the same rights to liberty as he, believes so. It is discriminating, demeaningly so when he tries to pass it off as a fact. However, the one truth that we must all be subjected to, as it is HISTORY and the LAW, is the United States of America was founded on the basis of religious freedom, not the freedom to worship God alone.

This post has been edited by Spirited Away: Dec 7 2005, 01:14 PM