The racism of black history month, v. 2.0, from white history month. Options

[sadolakced acid]

Original post:

Okay, so I am not trying to be racist or anything, but who here agrees with me that the black people are getting way more recognition than the whites?

Now we have black history month, black activists month, and negro colleges/college funds? This is just not fair.

Everyone believes that if we have a white history month then we will be racist? We aren't. Blacks are getting everything nowadays and if the white people try to put say into anything, it gets shoved back in our face as a racist comment.

I love black history and everything, but I have pride in being white and we get no recognition whatsoever? Does anyone agree with me..

And please don't say I am being racist. I live in the South for God's sake.

here's a link to the original thread:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=58363

things to keep in mind whilest you debate:

• there is an asain history month. and a month for whatever else you can think of, except penguins of course. penguins are discriminated against for sure.
• every month is not white history month. check out the previous thread if you want to argue- pretend you posted, and read the multitudes of responses to whenever that was posted- all 14 times.
• read the thread before posting, please. if you can't, at least read the last few pages to get a general sense of what's being argued and what's been brought up.

have a nice day, and happy debating.

[*nightmare4taki*]

Kanye West
I state the stats to stunt - I don't need to front//
I make black history every day - I don't need a month//

Yeah I said that in the other thread, you don't like it, then give me a brand new verbal warning.

Besides this thread is augmented //
I like things authentic//

[nothing_plus_thi...]

i agree. to an extent.

i believe in equality. in the most literal sense of the word. i don't think anyone (race, gender, sexual-orientation, age, etc.) should have more rights than anyone else. if they are fighting for EQUAL rights, i wish them luck, they deserve that. but, for people to run around acting as though they are better than someone else because of their skin colour, sex partners, or gender...is just ridiculous to me.

the world will never change as long as we have different groups (white, christian, men included) whining and yelling about certain things. demanding to be seen and treated specially by everyone else. because that just draws more attention to each and every difference in the world. there will never be any kind of peace or agreement between everyone unless we can all agree to just shut the heck up. and accept the basic things we have in common -- we are all people. regardless of minor differences. we are PEOPLE. and people should be treated equally.

and that's my 1 cent. i could go on and give the full 2 cents. but, no one would read it.

[sillakilla220]

this is a f**ked up thread just for all the ignorant comments left. if u are really tryin to make the argument that more advantages are offered to blacks u are on crystal meth. blacks are easily the most prejudiced race in the country. no offense, but just b/c slaves no longer exist in the country does not mean that blacks do not still feel the repercussions of slavery. this country was BUILT off of slavery, slaves were the driving economic force in the early stages of our society, not only off the money they generated from themselves, but from the money they generated in the products they produced in the field. for that ALONE there should be a black history month.

not to mention that it was the high amount of racism shown by whites in the first place that brought about a need for institutions like black college funds and black history month. whites have already shown in the past that if they arent forced to treat blacks fairly then they wont. and if u dont learn from history your doomed to repeat it. and for those asking "why isnt there white history month?" i will answer that with a few questions of my own... "how many whites were subjected to such poor standards of living in the early 1900s?"... or "how many whites were hunted down and lynched while crosses burned in their front yards?"... or "how many white leaders were gunned down at the peak of their popularity?" (kennedy's excluded)

and i'm not gonna quote it but whoever made such a big point of the blacks being freed by a white man should be slapped. yeah i applaud lincoln but it took 16 presidents b4 one of them realized slavery was morally wrong? the fact that there was even slavery in the first place should be the bigger issue rather than who freed them...


but to wrap up this lil tirade of mine i will just end it w/ one word.... COINTELPRO... if u are not aware wat this is then google it and get yur learn on cuz its quite interesting and may change the way some of u think

[Mulder]

not to mention that it was the high amount of racism shown by whites in the first place that brought about a need for institutions like black college funds and black history month. whites have already shown in the past that if they arent forced to treat blacks fairly then they wont. and if u dont learn from history your doomed to repeat it. and for those asking "why isnt there white history month?" i will answer that with a few questions of my own... "how many whites were subjected to such poor standards of living in the early 1900s?"... or "how many whites were hunted down and lynched while crosses burned in their front yards?"... or "how many white leaders were gunned down at the peak of their popularity?" (kennedy's excluded)

this is where i say what i always say.

why isnt there a holocaust remembrance month? why isnt there even a holocaust rememberance day? no jewish history month?

jews have nothing.
so, before acting like its only blacks that were prejudiced against, actually look back in history.

alllsssooo, repeating what i said in the other thread, have you been enslaved? did you work for "the white man"?
no.
did your mom? or dad? no.

maybe someone in your family did, i dont know.
it doesnt matter.

my grandparents lived during the holocaust, and im not going around asking people to give me money because they lost some of theirs.

[sillakilla220]

dude that shit happened in germany take your complaint over there man... did americans put jews in concentration camps? no! so why the f**k would we honor that in our country? slaves were in america and directly affected it, jews is another story... it was a horrible event but that came at the hands of a bunch of *gasp* racially charged white europeans who thought their race was superior. thats a whooooole 'nother topic my man cant help u out w/ that in this thread


and if u can read u [....] i already stated... it doesnt matter if ive never been a slave or if my mother, father, grandparents havent either... every black person born feels the repercussions of slavery growing up... just because its abolished does not mean it plays no part in society today and that is what ppl always assume...


[edited by mona lisa]

[nothing_plus_thi...]

what about the japanese and what we did to them during WWII?

they aren't asking for money because of it. and that DID happen in the united states. not some far off place that apparently doesn't matter to nationalistic, moronic assholes.

also, you are racist. why the hell doesn't anyone realize that racism is racism. white people are NOT the only people who are/can be racist. you saying that white people are generally bad because of what happened in the past is RACIST.

get off your high horse and over yourself.
you're no better or worse than a white person, an asian person, a native american person, or any other person on this earth. the past struggles of african americans have no weight in today's world. the only reason it seems that way is because there are some idiots out there who like to whine and complain until they get their ass kissed for being different. and because, i concede, there are some ignorant people out there still who are extremely racist. BUT. if you were a strong person, you would not let that force you down to the level of asking to be treated specially or different from everyone else.


it is utterly childish for adults to run around yelling about someone owing them something for things that happened HUNDREDS of years ago. please, just grow up.


EDIT::: (whites are not a minority in the entire united states. i officially correct myself. and call myself stupid. satisfied?) holding grudges is ridiculous. people need to realize that the world has and still is changing.

everyone is equally idiotic, in my opinion.

This post has been edited by nothing_plus_this: Mar 12 2006, 08:27 PM

[sillakilla220]

^^^^hmmm... interesting points... but lemme school u to sum shit real quick...

first...what happened to the japanese was a tragedy. that is without a question, using two A-bombs like that was crazy. BUT that also happened during wartime and in response to an unprovoked attack against the US... um have u ever heard of Pearl Harbor?? not to mention that really was nothing like slavery.

second... i am far from racist. just b/c i have strong views on what is wrong in this country and am not afraid to voice them does not make me racist. in fact my mother is white. in fact nearly all my best friends are white. u know nothin about who i am outside of wat i post... so please keep your assumptions to yourself. and i never said white ppl are bad but their actions were rather overwhemingly unjust to blacks in the past.

third... it leaves me mind-f**ked how ppl dont think blacks are still affected by slavery. i never said that ppl's shortcomings are a direct cause of slavery b/c i agree, if u are a strong person u can acheive success. but when blacks were freed they all started with nothing. now granted, individually, blacks have been able to make gains in society and move up, but as a whole the black race is largely livin under the poverty line. not to mention that there hasnt really been a truly FAIR playin employment or academic field until the last 25-30 years of the country. has everyone forgotten the notorious Jim Crow laws that segregated blacks to such poorer standards of living than whites? also whether u think so or not slavery created a large rift between blacks and whites that has not really ever gone away.

whites are not the minority either hun. whites still dominate all aspects of the country. Government, media, corporations, military... whites are still at the head of a lot of that. i dont mean to come off as angry in my opinion but its ignorance that i still see in a subject like this that drives me crazy

[nothing_plus_thi...]

i was not referring to the bombing during WWII. i was talking about the "internment camps" here in the united states. read about it here.

and i apologize for jumping to conclusions about you personally. i should have made my statements more general. what i was trying to get at is the point that african americans (especially celebrities) are extremely cruel and racist towards white people. and this is silly to me. because they are being complete hypocrites.

and yes, i have heard of the jim crowe laws. i am avidly interested in history. but! in my opinion, a majority of black people are holding themselves down by allowing the past to run their lives. they are incredibly caught up in who is racist, what is racist, and who is or is not out to get them because they are black. they are determined to become THE top race. reverse the roles, so to speak. admit it, it is clear that that is the goal of many strongwilled african americans. to "put whites in their place". and THAT, dahlin, is what gets to me. is what boils my blood and makes me just want to tell the entire world to shut the hell up. because it's not JUST african americans who do it, i know that. EVERYONE does it for one reason or another. they care about status and rights and who has more and who has what. when, in the end, that will not matter.

also, there are PLENTY of poverty stricken people in the US who are white (me!? my family?! we are struggling to keep our house, eat one meal a day, etc.) i am honestly doubtful that poverty and lower standards are determined by someone's race. i don't think there is some higher power in the government dictating that only black people can be poor or treated poorly.

and i'm sorry, i concede that whites are still the majority overall. but, i will also say that....there has been a LOT of progress made in the human rights department. this country will NEVER be perfect. and it is still FAR from being perfect. but, people of all races are allowed to do everything white, christian men are allowed to do when it comes to laws. it is society itself that has prevented us from having a female or racially diverse president. and that's saying a lot when you look back at how things stood when the country was formed.

and i am also a die hard believer that equal rights means just that, EQUAL. not MORE. and it seems that as time passes, people of all races, genders, and sexual orientations, are attempting to gain more rights for themselves so they can feel as though they are ABOVE white men. and that is not just, in my opinion. i feel that freedom and equality should be for everyone and should not favour anyone. regardless of the past. things will never change if we keep trying to even the score.

again, i am sorry for offending you. that was not my intention.

[*kryogenix*]

nothing_plus_this, caucsasians are not in the minority.

sillakill220:

First of all, I have serious doubts that you've read the previous thread on this.

I think you misunderstood her. What about the Japanese-Americans that were put in internment camps? They had nothing to do with Japan, yet they were still persecuted. Forcing someone to move and keep them in a prison camp sounds like slavery to me.

What about the Europeans who immigrated to the United States? They started with absolutely nothing as well. They were treated unfairly by the laws of the time. The Irish were pretty much used as slaves to clear the swamps in the South. Let's not forget the Chinese railroad workers, and other Asians that were sent back to their countries and mistreated.

So why do African Americans get their month specially recognized? Why doesn't the NAACP fight for the interests of other groups (blacks aren't the only colored people). Why is the race card played so often? Why is it ok for a Negro College Fund to exist, but when a scholarship for caucasians is created, there is an uproar?

Thanks to affirmative action, blacks are getting more than their fair share of opportunity, but still we see complaints of inequality. Have you ever heard the statistic that blacks, as a group, have the lowest average income, but spend the highest percentage of their income on luxury items? There is something horribly wrong if that is true.

[nothing_plus_thi...]

nothing_plus_this, caucsasians are not in the minority.

i know. i corrected myself. we posted at the same time.

and to add to your list of racially charged special treatments: concerning television alone, there are channels dedicated to entire races, award ceremonies, etc. yet, there has to be a balance in all other things including white people when it comes to race. commercials, shows, etc.

and another thing, about affirmative action. i have debated the topic many times. and i still do not understand it completely. i get that it is there to prevent people from refusing to give minorities jobs and whatnot. but, i do not understand the idea of giving underexperienced minority people the jobs over experienced, qualified white people. in situations like that, race should not be the determining factor. it is not only unfair, but i feel that it, in some cases, causes the work being done to suffer. jobs should be awarded because of qualifications and experience, not race. a balance between the races, to prevent predjudice and racism, should be monitored, but that should be the extent of it.

but anyway, honestly? i'm all for communism, anarchism...whatever. just something that promises on paper to insure true equality. kthnx.

disclaimer

i have been through anarchism, communism, democracy, all of it. and have now settled on nihilism mixed with a touch of apathy. so do not take me so seriously, people. i'm just sitting here waiting for someone to blow up the world.

[sillakilla220]

i'll agree with some of wat was said before me. blacks are the highest spenders out of any race and that DOES have something to do with our social standing. but please understand this, when slavery ended there was so much done by whites to keep them poverty-stricken. in fact it was nearly another century b4 segregation laws were overturned. so to say that every race has the same opportunity to succeed is bullshit.


its hard debating any race related issues w/ those of other races tho b/c each person sees it from a different perspective. white ppl commonly think that racial issues have gone away in this country and that is so false that its a dangerous way of thinking. but its like i said before... as wrong as affirmative action or any other pro-black organizations may seem, its been shown in the past that without these things there is blatant racism shown. so technically, without white people's racism there would be no need for these things. and affirmative action is not geared directly toward blacks its toward all minorities.


and there are organizations for education that help fund all kinds of races. if u think there are only pro-black foundations then u are crazy and need to wake the f**k up. and who gives a f**k if theres a black channel?? its not called We-Hate-Whitey-Channel its just a channel to funnel black culture b/c its not seen much on other channels. there are latino channels n shit so wats the difference? there is no need for a white channel b/c much of the tv u see has majority white casts and this is not my own opinion its FACT. and if there was a white channel wat would be on it? b/c there isnt really a clear cut culture for white ppl so i dont even kno wat kinda shit would be on there?

[sadolakced acid]

you're right. little black girls in city schools have been disadvantaged by slavery.

they'd be much better off in darfur being raped by the rebels and the army that's supposted to be protecting them.

[nothing_plus_thi...]

but please understand this, when slavery ended there was so much done by whites to keep them poverty-stricken. in fact it was nearly another century b4 segregation laws were overturned. so to say that every race has the same opportunity to succeed is bullshit.

obviously. since the civil war JUST ended.



no. i'm sorry. what i mean is this. it has been over 150 years since slavery and the civil war ended. so, at this point in time, over 150 years later. the century YOU'RE living in. this day and age. RIGHT NOW. this VERY moment. ...each race officially has almost equal opportunities. YES, there are still some idiotic people out there who are obsessed with how their relatives 150 years were. but...that is not the entire united states. and it is life. there will ALWAYS be people who don't like you! whether it's because of your race or just cause you may be fat! it's LIFE. you can't make everyone think/feel the same way. but, you work with what you have. and you deal. and things eventually change for the better. things don't happen overnight.

also, various religions deal with much worse persecution these days than people of different races. so, people are going to find someone to hate NO MATTER WHAT. and it will NEVER change. and trying to make people compensate for it won't help. it will just lead to more problems. the past should be left in the past and the present should be dealt with accordingly.

and another thing! about the "culture" stuff. that's bullshit. i've never understood it. if people of different ethnicities or nationalities want to be treated the same as "americans", why do they go so far out of their ways to make it known that they are "different" and they deserve special treatment as long as it is exactly the treatment they asked for. i'm not saying that no one deserves the right to embrace the culture of their people. but to push that culture on society as a whole, to make it seem like they are "above someone", "special", "different", etc. is silly to me. it really is.

honestly. i'm going to repeat myself as many times as it takes, no one is better than anyone else. and everyone should be treated like the next person. that is the only way things will change. people need to get over themselves and their opinions.

just pass out the standard beige uniforms and tell me which line to walk in. because i'm only 19 years old and i am already sick to death of hearing about descrimination, racism, injustices, politics, wars, fairness...and just, people and society in general. and it gets more disgusting and unbelievable the more time passes.

This post has been edited by nothing_plus_this: Mar 12 2006, 09:57 PM

[sillakilla220]

you're right. little black girls in city schools have been disadvantaged by slavery.

they'd be much better off in darfur being raped by the rebels and the army that's supposted to be protecting them.

umm... this comment is so ignorant i dont know where to start. in fact im not even sure wat that is supposed to mean because it really has no relevance to what i'm talking about. and no its not that i dont understand the situation in f**kin darfur of all places. gimmie a break, did u just learn sumthin new and wanted to throw it out there to show u kno sumthing??



http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/P...ELPRO/gjp3.html

http://mediafilter.org/MFF/USDCO.idx.html



.... back to the subject tho... nothing_plus_this i think u are very naive. everything u are saying is very idealistic and a lil immature. i can tell you havent had much experience outside of your comfort zone by what you are saying. perfect example is your stance on affirmative action. AA does not mean that some unexperienced worker is going to get the job just b/c they are a different ethnicity. yur crazy... im going to withdraw from this post its too frustrating. its so easy to sit there from the outside and make comments and suggestions of whats so wrong. no one is arguing they are better than anyone else. its never been about superiority. of course there will be the few who think so but u can say that about every race. seriously, i could debate this all day from all angles but its pointless b/c you'll never get it. but please, im beggin you and anyone reading this to study up on COINTELPRO and leave your thoughts about it. to say the past doesnt affect wat is still happening is crazy. did you know that the families of cotton farmers from the early stages of our country are still rich from the empire built off of the earnings made in the slave era? seriously im not making this up. and the slave era is actually about 300 yrs old. so take it as u will just food for thought u do the dishes

[NoSex]

and for those asking "why isnt there white history month?" i will answer that with a few questions of my own...

"how many whites were subjected to such poor standards of living in the early 1900s?"

An outstanding majority of immigrants, of many different races (Including 'whites'). Much of America lived in poverty. Today, according to the US Census Bureau, more whites living in America suffer from poverty than any other race. Exactly 22,184 whites live in poverty today; That is 9.7% of the entire white population . Native Americans, Hispanics, and African Americans have the highest percentage of poverty today. 8,186 (22.9%) blacks live in poverty. 783 (24.5%) native americans. 7,873 (21.9%) hispanics.

I hope that answers your question.

... or "how many whites were hunted down and lynched while crosses burned in their front yards?"...

From 1882 to 1951, 10% of Lynching victims were whites. As 4,733 persons have died from being lynched, that means that 473 white men have been "hunted down and lynched."

I hope that answers your question.

or "how many white leaders were gunned down at the peak of their popularity?" (kennedy's excluded)

I don't see why Kenndy's is excluded? That doesn't seem fair.
I'll say all four assassinated presidents, including Kennedy.
It's a bit of a harder subject to research, and I don't want to start naming of Klan members (Ha!), so I'll leave it at that.

and i'm not gonna quote it but whoever made such a big point of the blacks being freed by a white man should be slapped. yeah i applaud lincoln but it took 16 presidents b4 one of them realized slavery was morally wrong? the fact that there was even slavery in the first place should be the bigger issue rather than who freed them...

I'm sure Lincoln wasn't the first president to realize slavery was "morally wrong". He was just the first man to end the trade in America. And, I bet you would have been damn proud of his weak position on the matter when he was running for office! Can't say too much about those slaves, they make us money! Gotta get votes! Gotta get those votes!

Not to mention, I honestly don't think you understand the scope of slavery and the reality of its trade in colonial America. The slave trade existed long before the English colonized America all over the world, and most importantly, in Africa. Europeans rarely kidnapped slaves, they traded for them from African tribes. African communities, who already had an established slave trade, expanded their business for the prospect of European goods. Young black men would be taken prisoner by their own tribes to be sold to white men for guns, metals, and even sea shells. This was, for some time, part of the Triangular trade. In fact, this trade was ended by the United Kingdom. In, what would be described today as cultural imperialism, a moral outrage, European powers in Africa began to supress the salve trade.

Slavery would continue, through breeding, in the states until the end of the Civil War. And, today, slavery does not exist in most western and eastern societies. However, the most prominent slave economy today can be found in Africa.

Kind of not the picture we usually get, huh?

but to wrap up this lil tirade of mine i will just end it w/ one word.... COINTELPRO... if u are not aware wat this is then google it and get yur learn on cuz its quite interesting and may change the way some of u think

Yeah. We know about it.
So what?
What the hell does that have to do with this?
I mean, sure, they worked to discredit and damage several civil rights movements. However, don't forget that they also fought against racist and nationalist parties such as the Ku Klux Klan, and the American Nazi Party. Also, their actions have been apologized for and ceased. They don't operate any longer. And, how does that validate, in any way, a black history month?

[nothing_plus_thi...]

.... back to the subject tho... nothing_plus_this i think u are very naive. everything u are saying is very idealistic and a lil immature. i can tell you havent had much experience outside of your comfort zone by what you are saying. perfect example is your stance on affirmative action. AA does not mean that some unexperienced worker is going to get the job just b/c they are a different ethnicity. yur crazy... im going to withdraw from this post its too frustrating. its so easy to sit there from the outside and make comments and suggestions of whats so wrong. no one is arguing they are better than anyone else. its never been about superiority. of course there will be the few who think so but u can say that about every race. seriously, i could debate this all day from all angles but its pointless b/c you'll never get it. but please, im beggin you and anyone reading this to study up on COINTELPRO and leave your thoughts about it. to say the past doesnt affect wat is still happening is crazy. did you know that the families of cotton farmers from the early stages of our country are still rich from the empire built off of the earnings made in the slave era? seriously im not making this up. and the slave era is actually about 300 yrs old. so take it as u will just food for thought u do the dishes

uh. yes, yes that does happen with affirmative action. people are so caught up in meeting their QUOTA of MINORITIES that they ignore some very qualified and experienced white people. it's been going on all over the place ever since affirmative action was approved. so don't try and call me naive or ignorant or crazy, mmk? look at what happens at universities, police departments, fire departments, corporations, they gotta fill their QUOTAS!!! and, i'm sorry, but if that isn't degrading to people of colour, i don't know what would be. YOU'RE NOTHING BUT ANOTHER PERSON FILLING THEIR QUOTA. cmon, kid. it's wrong. it's just another form of segration and discrimination disguised as something good. but, apparently it must not matter to minorities because they're getting amazing jobs and educations because of it. but, if it were a quota that had to be filled in sweatshops and fields, you'd be pissed. it's the same old situation, you're getting what you want so you LOVE it. regardless of how wrong or backwards it is.

also, keep in mind that i am a woman. i am considered to be one of the "minorities" included in affirmative action. and i still think it's wrong. if there is a man applying for the same job as me, and he is extremely well qualified and good at it, i will gladly step down and allow him to have the job. regardless of whether i get first dibs on it or not due to affirmative action. because it is the right thing to do. i would not want to be stuck doing a job i'm not the best at while knowing that a man who could have done an amazing job at is is stuck searching for another.

and, if i am at all naive, it is because i live in MAINE. one of the states with the lowest amount of diversity. so, you are absolutely correct when you think i have NO idea what your perspective is like. but, i have had 13 years of a good education and i have been taught many times by people with varying perspectives and opinions. so i have heard almost all of it. which is enough, in my opinion. to form my own opinions on something.

and you wouldn't be thinking about attacking me and calling me crazy if you knew what my father was like. i grew up in a household run by a complete bigot. i have been knocked down to the level of housemaid my entire life because he is sexist and cruel. so i certainly know what it's like to feel lower than people simply because i'm a woman. but, i also hate feminism. AND! i am "sexually confused" which means, i lean towards being a lesbian. can you even imagine what it must be like for me to hear my father talk about faggots and dykes every five minutes while i'm sitting there struggling with the thought of him even having a CLUE as to what i am? yet, i hate people who run around demanding that homosexuals be treated special and be treated with more rights than a heterosexual person. because i believe in equality. i don't believe in dragging men down to an oppressed woman's level so he knows it's like. and i don't believe in condemning heterosexuals so THEY know what it feels like. i just want to be seen as MORE than a bisexual female. because i find it degrading to me as a person. special treatment does NOT help, in my opinion. it simply keeps people at the low level they've been stuck on for their entire lives.

so. for the record. i agree that the United States was formed on the backs and with the sweat and blood of slaves. i know that. i would never take that history away. but, i also agree that it was formed on the backs and with the sweat and blood of native americans and white businessmen and politicians and oppressed women. it is a union of many different people and many different people have died in order for it to be what it is. and there has been so many injustices and so much unfairness it pains me to even think about it. but, i also believe that...as long as these things are brought up and as long as people demand for everyone to repay them for the work people of the past did and treat them special because of it, the country's progress will stand still.

we are different people than those who were here during the slave trade and the civil war. we are the people that those slaves and those oppressed people were hoping and praying for to save them. and we are doing nothing but using them as an excuse to get special treatment and collect rights. we are once again, trying to build a new and better country on their backs and with their blood that was spilled by the tyranical monsters who enslaved them.

please, now tell me if you think all of this arguing and whining is really helping anything. if you think hanging on to the past is really doing any good whatsoever. while you could be out PROVING yourself. fighting the system of white rich men who have love affairs with oil and weapons. so that one day, your future children or relatives will be and to hold their head high and say that you did it on your own without the petty attempts at help and handouts from the government.

yes. i am idealistic. you are absolutely correct. but is it so much worse than being stuck in a past that is littered with murder and oppression? at least i can look to the future and hope for something. and try and figure out ways to make it so people will see themselves as completely equal and see the world as fair and good. and yes, that means TRUE equality. using these definitions:

the quality or state of being equal
&
like for each member of a group, class, or society. regarding or affecting all objects in the same way.

[*CrackedRearView*]

.... back to the subject tho... nothing_plus_this i think u are very naive. everything u are saying is very idealistic and a lil immature. i can tell you havent had much experience outside of your comfort zone by what you are saying. perfect example is your stance on affirmative action. AA does not mean that some unexperienced worker is going to get the job just b/c they are a different ethnicity. yur crazy... im going to withdraw from this post its too frustrating. its so easy to sit there from the outside and make comments and suggestions of whats so wrong. no one is arguing they are better than anyone else. its never been about superiority. of course there will be the few who think so but u can say that about every race. seriously, i could debate this all day from all angles but its pointless b/c you'll never get it. but please, im beggin you and anyone reading this to study up on COINTELPRO and leave your thoughts about it. to say the past doesnt affect wat is still happening is crazy. did you know that the families of cotton farmers from the early stages of our country are still rich from the empire built off of the earnings made in the slave era? seriously im not making this up. and the slave era is actually about 300 yrs old. so take it as u will just food for thought u do the dishes

Just as a pretense...

You need to lose your snooty attitude and show a little respect in this forum when you're replying to people's comments/suggestions. I know you seem to be "gung-ho, go get 'em" about this subject, and that's fine, but don't act like a prick in the process. Slinging around profanity and calling people crazy, naive, and immature is not the way we do things around here, and you're really losing credibility because of it.

First of all, your claim that this country was 'built' on slavery and that many of the riches that the white race commands today are because of the blood and sweat and tears of black slaves is only perhaps 1/25 true. Why? Because so many other factors must be taken into account before you factor slavery into the equation. You're forgetting suffrage with your argument. A chief reason why the white race dominated the economy was because they dominated the vote. This translated directly into economic advantages for white men, in a number of ways. First, they could devise laws that gave them economic privilege, like slavery, or banning women from the workforce. Second, they could vote to spend 100 percent of public funds on themselves. Thus, giving blacks and women the right to vote meant giving them a much larger slice of the economic pie.

You've forgotten that when the white man is in control of the vote, the white man is in control of the laws. However, in 1865 just after the Civil War, the three-fifths clause was rescinded through the 14th and 15th Amendments... "The right... to vote shall not be denied or abridged... on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude." Granted many prejudiced states still kept the vote away from blacks with qualifications such as literacy tests and poll taxes. But right after the Civil War blacks were able to vote in such large numbers that they elected what is still a record of black representatives at the federal, state and local levels. And I'm only going off on this tangent because you're making incorrect, generalized claims.

And when it comes to affirmative action, I support it almost 95% of the time -- especially in the workplace, because there, white males don't lose rights; women and minorities simply gain them. What white males actually lose is unfairly gained money, power and privilege.

In college, however, I believe selection should be based almost exclusively on merit -- and financial status should, of course, be factored in as well. I stand firmly against college selection on the basis of race.

To the issue at hand, however, I agree with much of what you've said. Black history month is a great way to put in perspective the injuries of our past that happened in our country. Sometimes I think we overreact, however. Germany paid a large sum in compensatory damages to the state of Israel after World War II -- and since then, it's almost as if they have a clean slate. Yet here in the States, white people that have never had anything to do with slavery or discrimination get harassed by blacks who, truly, have never been forced into servitude themselves. In my honest opinion, we all just need to shut up about ancient history, maintain black history month to remind ourselves, and move on with our racially integrated lives. The way it was supposed to be.

[*disco infiltrator*]

dude that shit happened in germany take your complaint over there man... did americans put jews in concentration camps? no! so why the f**k would we honor that in our country? slaves were in america and directly affected it, jews is another story... it was a horrible event but that came at the hands of a bunch of *gasp* racially charged white europeans who thought their race was superior. thats a whooooole 'nother topic my man cant help u out w/ that in this thread
and if u can read u [....] i already stated... it doesnt matter if ive never been a slave or if my mother, father, grandparents havent either... every black person born feels the repercussions of slavery growing up... just because its abolished does not mean it plays no part in society today and that is what ppl always assume...
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So the Africans who are committing genocide against the darker-skinned Africans in Darfur right now are just white on the inside?
And Saddam Hussein, who killed millions of his people for not being of his kind, was just white on the inside?
And the tribesleaders who actually sold their own people to the white people as slaves in the first place were just white on the inside?
And the Jewish people that are white really aren't because they've been discriminated against?

Now I get it! You're absolutely right; the only way any of these events and more could have happened was if these racist people were white on the inside and the ones who were discriminated against were really black on the inside. Duh! It's impossible for anyone who isn't white to be racist and impossible for anyone who isn't black to be discriminated against by those stupid racist white people!

Geez, I should really go get plastic surgery, being inherently a Jew and all. I'm not showing my true colors! People might think I'm racist because I'm not black!

[vash1530]

understand that most of the history taught in your public school IS white history. I do understand ur problem with the black college funds tho. Frankly, almost no one can pay for college and its sad that ppl get an unfair adv. in our capitalist society. Of course, no one is able to ever be equal this world....

[sillakilla220]

i said wouldnt post but i had to say sumthin real quick...

affirmative action is actually losing alot of use around the country. 4 states have already removed it from practice in education and employment. so yeah, i guess wat your sayin is right, in todays age maybe ppl dont have to be forced to consider minorities so its progress.


i called nothing_plus_this to a T





whoever downplayed COINTELPRO is playin themselves... lets see wat u said... quote - "I mean, sure, they worked to discredit and damage several civil rights movements" ... ummm u do realize this was the gov't that was doin this? im not sayin the man is out to get blacks but u dont find it startling that the gov't is infiltrating peace-organizations and makin up lies to get them destroyed?




i dont live in the past i would never let somethin as ridiculous as slavery guide wat i do with my life im just pointin out that we should not forget the past b/c it does still matter. and i dont hate white ppl. my mother is white. i grew up around white ppl. but race issues are always goin to exist in this country whether u think so or not, ignoring them just makes them worse.


and i still dont know wat disco infiltrator is tryin to say youre a f**kin idiot please dont post anymore

[sadolakced acid]

skillkilla, go read a history book.

in addition, you have received a verbal warning for member bashing.

[*kryogenix*]

whoever downplayed COINTELPRO is playin themselves... lets see wat u said... quote - "I mean, sure, they worked to discredit and damage several civil rights movements" ... ummm u do realize this was the gov't that was doin this? im not sayin the man is out to get blacks but u dont find it startling that the gov't is infiltrating peace-organizations and makin up lies to get them destroyed?

1. Peace Organizations? The Black Panthers were not peaceful.
2. The goal of COINTELPRO was not racism. The goal of COINTELPRO was to stop dissidents and prevent violence.

i dont live in the past i would never let somethin as ridiculous as slavery guide wat i do with my life im just pointin out that we should not forget the past b/c it does still matter. and i dont hate white ppl. my mother is white. i grew up around white ppl. but race issues are always goin to exist in this country whether u think so or not, ignoring them just makes them worse.

Great! Let's not ignore that slavery happened. We should never forget mistakes we make, or we'll be doomed to repeat them. But why should black people get special treatment because of it?

and i still dont know wat disco infiltrator is tryin to say youre a f**kin idiot please dont post anymore

I love you say this, yet your posts lack proper spelling, puntuation and capitalization.

[nothing_plus_thi...]

i called nothing_plus_this to a T

uh. sure you did, kiddo. want a cookie?

[sillakilla220]

I'm sorry I did not realize this was English class. If I post like this will it make my points more significant because I appear smarter?


By the way I love all the stats you guys bring up. I could go stat for stat all day and mine will be way more convincing. It really doesn't prove anything though. Here's one for ya... That stat about 473 white people being lynched over a half century was something I did not know. Yet, 300 blacks were killed in one day. Jeez what a discrepancy. How many of you have heard of the Black Holocaust? Maybe some do, maybe some don't. I have no idea of this. If you haven't heard of it however, here's an interesting reading for you. Learn something.


http://www.exodusnews.com/HISTORY/History007.htm



I think your vision of the Black Panthers is a little misconstrued as well. You have to realize that a group of blacks forming together for social advancement in the 60's scared alot of people in our government. In fact, FBI agent Hoover called them "the greatest threat to the internal security of the United States." Honestly, the fact that blacks were not satisfied with social conditions and were finally showing some sort of unity just scared the f**k outta alot of white politicians. I believe this is somewhere when COINTELPRO takes place. Not to mention that perhaps the most peaceful movement aside from Mahtma Ghandi's was a part of their investigation. By this I am referring to Martin Luther King's. Did they pose a violent threat to our national security? Hardly. Also, if what they were doing was Constitutional it wouldnt've been a scandal.



Read a history book? I fail to see what the purpose of this would be. I have never misquoted any historical facts nor have I proposed any arguments that conflict with any actual facts.

[nothing_plus_thi...]

waaaa.

yes. you could go stat for stat all day. and that just proves the point that you're just out for pity over something that never even happened to you. it proves that you rather enjoy playing the race card and using the past as a way to get what you want.

so, again, waaaaa.

[*disco infiltrator*]

and i still dont know wat disco infiltrator is tryin to say youre a f**kin idiot please dont post anymore

LOL!

I'll dumb it down; I'm sorry.
You have this sort of perception that only white people can be racist and that they receive no discrimination ever. This is untrue. I was giving examples of cases in which races other than caucasian were discriminatory. It wasn't "the white people" who limited minorities; it's happened with plenty of other races all over the world and it was the African tribesleaders who sold their people into slavery first while already having an existing slave trade. It was just easier to escape and be free in Africa because it wasn't so blatantly obvious as to who was a slave and who wasn't.

[*digital.fragrance*]

LOL!

I'll dumb it down; I'm sorry.
You have this sort of perception that only white people can be racist and that they receive no discrimination ever. This is untrue. I was giving examples of cases in which races other than caucasian were discriminatory. It wasn't "the white people" who limited minorities; it's happened with plenty of other races all over the world and it was the African tribesleaders who sold their people into slavery first while already having an existing slave trade. It was just easier to escape and be free in Africa because it wasn't so blatantly obvious as to who was a slave and who wasn't.

True that - white's aren't the only people who have the potential to be racist - like he said, African people sold their own people into slavery. They did have an existing slave trade even before the Europeans got mixed up in it, I believe.

Anyway, have you ever thought that a black person was racist towards a white - I have. It seems that sometimes some people can be overly sensitive to ill-perceived (misunderstood) comments seen as racist when they are not.

[*disco infiltrator*]

I'm a she.

[sadolakced acid]

I'm sorry I did not realize this was English class. If I post like this will it make my points more significant because I appear smarter?
By the way I love all the stats you guys bring up. I could go stat for stat all day and mine will be way more convincing. It really doesn't prove anything though. Here's one for ya... That stat about 473 white people being lynched over a half century was something I did not know. Yet, 300 blacks were killed in one day. Jeez what a discrepancy. How many of you have heard of the Black Holocaust? Maybe some do, maybe some don't. I have no idea of this. If you haven't heard of it however, here's an interesting reading for you. Learn something.
http://www.exodusnews.com/HISTORY/History007.htm
I think your vision of the Black Panthers is a little misconstrued as well. You have to realize that a group of blacks forming together for social advancement in the 60's scared alot of people in our government. In fact, FBI agent Hoover called them "the greatest threat to the internal security of the United States." Honestly, the fact that blacks were not satisfied with social conditions and were finally showing some sort of unity just scared the f**k outta alot of white politicians. I believe this is somewhere when COINTELPRO takes place. Not to mention that perhaps the most peaceful movement aside from Mahtma Ghandi's was a part of their investigation. By this I am referring to Martin Luther King's. Did they pose a violent threat to our national security? Hardly. Also, if what they were doing was Constitutional it wouldnt've been a scandal.
Read a history book? I fail to see what the purpose of this would be. I have never misquoted any historical facts nor have I proposed any arguments that conflict with any actual facts.

the black panthers protested an antigun law by forming a loaded gun toting mob.

it had nothing to do with civil rights. they just formed a mob of blacks carrying loaded guns to protest a gun law.

you know, i think you're right. they are just a peaceful civil rights organization.

and yea, you haven't misquoted facts much. you've completely missed them.

first...what happened to the japanese was a tragedy. that is without a question, using two A-bombs like that was crazy. BUT that also happened during wartime and in response to an unprovoked attack against the US... um have u ever heard of Pearl Harbor?? not to mention that really was nothing like slavery.

umm, hello? that was refering to the internment of americans of japanese decent in concentration camps, the seizure of thier private property, most of which has never been returned. ergo, read a history book.

and if u can read u [....] i already stated... it doesnt matter if ive never been a slave or if my mother, father, grandparents havent either... every black person born feels the repercussions of slavery growing up... just because its abolished does not mean it plays no part in society today and that is what ppl always assume...

you're right. if it weren't for slavery, little black girls could be growing up in darfur being raped instead of growing up in inner city schools failing math.

what reprecussions of slavery do you feel? the ability to grow up not in a third world country? the solidarity and aid of fellow blacks? the affirmative action? the ability to say "that's racist" and get your way?

not to mention that it was the high amount of racism shown by whites in the first place that brought about a need for institutions like black college funds and black history month. whites have already shown in the past that if they arent forced to treat blacks fairly then they wont.

what's this? you can spout words as much as you like- mean nothing without proof. most whites aren't racist. most whites never owned blacks. the KKK was originally a social club.

do you know who the greatest opponet to the formation of the NAACP was?
booker T washington. that's right, a black.

his country was BUILT off of slavery, slaves were the driving economic force in the early stages of our society, not only off the money they generated from themselves, but from the money they generated in the products they produced in the field. for that ALONE there should be a black history month.

no. this country was not build off of slavery. The south was not even built off of slavery. Most whites didn't own slaves. Most were poorer than slaves.

what about the chinese and irish?

ever heard "that job's too dangerous for a slave, get an irishman to do it?"

the irish and the chinese build the railroads, which built the country.


in your posts you show that you've probably only ever paid attention to history during black history month. you are a prime example of the problems of black history month. and the amount of history you know is middle school level.

it wouldn't be a problem if you didn't keep thinking that you knew all the things there are to know.

second... i am far from racist. just b/c i have strong views on what is wrong in this country and am not afraid to voice them does not make me racist. in fact my mother is white. in fact nearly all my best friends are white. u know nothin about who i am outside of wat i post... so please keep your assumptions to yourself. and i never said white ppl are bad but their actions were rather overwhemingly unjust to blacks in the past.

well here's my strong, non racist views.

blacks should get over the freaking slavery thing. not everyone is out to get you. unless you keep saying that, and then i'm out to get you. because i'm discriminatory against stupidity. live with it.

[sillakilla220]

whoa there kiddo... a lil too much info... but i see you need some guidance. let me try to help


[quote name='sadolakced acid' date='Mar 14 2006, 5:46 PM' post='1946569']
the black panthers protested an antigun law by forming a loaded gun toting mob.

it had nothing to do with civil rights. they just formed a mob of blacks carrying loaded guns to protest a gun law.

you know, i think you're right. they are just a peaceful civil rights organization.[/quote]


ok well whether or not the black panthers was peaceful is debatable. They were organized for self-defense in the first place so I guess I would have to say they were not peaceful as well. Yet I think the Black Panthers are viewed as sort of a black KKK which is really not true. Seriously though, they also had established soup kitchens that were feeding roughly 10,000 children breakfeast before school. Not to mention the in the incident that you mention that Bobby Seale, as well as 30 others who were armed, were all arrested and a single round was never fired. It was never a mob, you should be more careful with your words; it was actually a march. Nonetheless, I don't wish to argue this though b/c it is really irrelevant to the original topic so let's move on....

[/quote]and yea, you haven't misquoted facts much. you've completely missed them.
umm, hello? that was refering to the internment of americans of japanese decent in concentration camps, the seizure of thier private property, most of which has never been returned. ergo, read a history book.
you're right. if it weren't for slavery, little black girls could be growing up in darfur being raped instead of growing up in inner city schools failing math.[/quote]


My mistake, I did not realize they were talking about the internment of Japanese when they specifically cited the bombing of Japan. How foolish of me. That was unfortunate as well though but I have to point out that 300 yrs is slightly greater than 15-20 yrs. Not to mention $20,000 was issued to detainees and their families in 1988 during the Raegan administration. No, this does not bring back families and so forth, but it was certainly unnecessary. So... I think you may be the one in need of a history book.

God, please don't give me any what-ifs too. If it weren't for slavery, African countries, America and a lot of other countries in South America and Europe would be completely different. Gimmie a break you gotta come with something better than that...

[/quote]what reprecussions of slavery do you feel? the ability to grow up not in a third world country? the solidarity and aid of fellow blacks? the affirmative action? the ability to say "that's racist" and get your way?
what's this? you can spout words as much as you like- mean nothing without proof. most whites aren't racist. most whites never owned blacks. the KKK was originally a social club.[/quote]


Repercussions? Well for one I, as well as many other African Americans do not have a true sense of heritage. This is true, I am not elaborating to make my point. Whereas many caucasians and/or other immigrants have the ability to trace their roots to a definitive country, all Africans are left with is knowing they came from Africa, yet not a definite region due to the incessant break-up of families. Does this affect how I live my life? Hardly. Yet it is a repercussion of slavery that blacks do feel and that was the question. KKK was a social club. And it has turned into arguably the most notorious violence-driven hate group still in existence. What does their origin prove?

[/quote]do you know who the greatest opponet to the formation of the NAACP was?
booker T washington. that's right, a black.[/quote]

did not realize all blacks had to have the same opinion. Am not really understanding this point. So a black man is opposed to the NCAAP? Guess what? I'm sure there were white ppl who supported it! *gasp* no way!


[/quote]no. this country was not build off of slavery. The south was not even built off of slavery. Most whites didn't own slaves. Most were poorer than slaves.[/quote]


yikes please don't tell me you were serious with that last comment. Slaves couldn't own property or get paid for their jobs in money. How could you be poorer than someone who doesn't own anything??

[/quote]what about the chinese and irish?

ever heard "that job's too dangerous for a slave, get an irishman to do it?"

the irish and the chinese build the railroads, which built the country.
in your posts you show that you've probably only ever paid attention to history during black history month. you are a prime example of the problems of black history month. and the amount of history you know is middle school level. [/quote]


smh... I have to believe that you are actually taking acid sadolakced acid. B/c there were just as many blacks as irish and chinese on the railroads. And the railroads did not build our country.


Please continue taking shots at my arguments... I like it it gives me something to do while I am planning attacks on my white neighbors

[sadolakced acid]

now i know you're just blowing ----.

there were not many blacks on the railroads.

the railroads did build the country, regardless of what you may think.

and no, some whites did not support the NAACP. the NAACP was an organization created by whites.

let me ask you, what's the highest level of american history you have taken?

because you must realize, half of the things taught in lower levels is so simplified it isn't true.

[nothing_plus_thi...]

can i just ask one kind of unrelated question?

how old are you, sillakilla220?

i'm just curious.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Well for one I, as well as many other African Americans do not have a true sense of heritage. This is true, I am not elaborating to make my point. Whereas many caucasians and/or other immigrants have the ability to trace their roots to a definitive country, all Africans are left with is knowing they came from Africa, yet not a definite region due to the incessant break-up of families. Does this affect how I live my life? Hardly. Yet it is a repercussion of slavery that blacks do feel and that was the question. KKK was a social club. And it has turned into arguably the most notorious violence-driven hate group still in existence. What does their origin prove?

Really? Cause...I can't do that. I'm pretty white, but I have absolutely no idea what country my family was originally from. I have heritage in Germany, Austria, Poland, England, Scotland, France, Russia, and more that I don't know (so really all I know is Europe, like, a continent, kind of like Africa, another continent). Please enlighten me as to how I can figure all of this out.

Not to mention the absence of a great-grandmother in the tree, with her being outright murdered during the Holocaust.

But you know, I would have no idea what it's like to have family members who had any discrimination against them at all, and nothing is lost because of it...

[nothing_plus_thi...]

My mistake, I did not realize they were talking about the internment of Japanese when they specifically cited the bombing of Japan. How foolish of me.

no one specifically mentioned the bombing in japan. if i recall correctly, i mentioned what happened to the japanese americans IN AMERICA during WWII.

read carefully before jumping off into a self righteous rant.

[Mulder]

My mistake, I did not realize they were talking about the internment of Japanese when they specifically cited the bombing of Japan. How foolish of me. That was unfortunate as well though but I have to point out that 300 yrs is slightly greater than 15-20 yrs.

and 300 years is less than 1000.


..sigh.

is it just me and sammi who are going the jewish route?

w/e.

..

why is it that if any white person says that black people shouldnt be rewarded for past racism, they come off as racist?
thats why im kind of wary to post in this topic anymore. because everytime im labeled as a racist.

and huzzah to sammi. i can trace my ancestry to the former soviet union.

thats a LOT of countries.
do i know where i come from? no.

and technically, we all come from africa.

[sillakilla220]

Really? Cause...I can't do that. I'm pretty white, but I have absolutely no idea what country my family was originally from. I have heritage in Germany, Austria, Poland, England, Scotland, France, Russia, and more that I don't know (so really all I know is Europe, like, a continent, kind of like Africa, another continent). Please enlighten me as to how I can figure all of this out.

Not to mention the absence of a great-grandmother in the tree, with her being outright murdered during the Holocaust.

But you know, I would have no idea what it's like to have family members who had any discrimination against them at all, and nothing is lost because of it...

Sorry, guess I should have clarified myself for the remedial ones out there. I should have said the avg. caucasian, as well as avg black. I hope you didn't truly think I meant every white person knew their heritage, because that would be quite impossible. You showing that your lack of knowledge regarding heritage really doesn't prove anything b/c I'm sure there are blacks who have more heritage knowledge than you do of your family. Does this mean what I stated is untrue? No... I was merely implying this on a much grander scale.




My bad I thought someone referenced the actual bombings. They didn't though... watever still should've made their point more clear.




how old u think i am? guess. i'll be honest.






But what does American railroads or who founded the NCAAP have to do with the original posts. Its like you guys are all trying to compare other mishaps in history to try to belittle slavery somehow. Yes, obviously no race in history has been treated equal at all times. Unquestionable. Yet at a certain period of time in the country that we live in, about 300 yrs to be precise, during such a crucial period of development of our society in emerging as its own entity, one particular race was enslaved in horrible conditions. Upon gaining a release from slavery, a more situated race (not every single person) did what they could to continue their higher place in society, even instituting laws to legally do so for awhile. Because of this, a rift has always existed between the two. Not saying no other race was done wrong. Not saying no black has never participated in a racially-charged act toward a white. Not saying any of this. Not even saying other races don't deserve national recognition, b/c if you ask me I think they do. But this topic was about blacks and if they deserved their spot and I spoke my peace.

and where the f**k are the supporters at??? Damn wtf? I'm rollin solo on this shit n still wreckin y'all faggots...

[*digital.fragrance*]

I'm a she.

Sorry, I knew that - I typoed... (I'm stupid)

[nothing_plus_thi...]

My bad I thought someone referenced the actual bombings. They didn't though... watever still should've made their point more clear.

how old u think i am? guess. i'll be honest.

16!?!

and where the f**k are the supporters at??? Damn wtf? I'm rollin solo on this shit n still wreckin y'all faggots...

yeah. and it's quotes like that that are probably scaring off all of your "supporters". or maybe i'm right in my conclusions that not all black people are self righteous assholes. (he called us faggots, i deserve one meek comeback, no?)

[sillakilla220]

16!?!

yeah. and it's quotes like that that are probably scaring off all of your "supporters". or maybe i'm right in my conclusions that not all black people are self righteous assholes. (he called us faggots, i deserve one meek comeback, no?)

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[*CrackedRearView*]

^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.

[*kryogenix*]

But what does American railroads or who founded the NCAAP have to do with the original posts. Its like you guys are all trying to compare other mishaps in history to try to belittle slavery somehow. Yes, obviously no race in history has been treated equal at all times. Unquestionable. Yet at a certain period of time in the country that we live in, about 300 yrs to be precise, during such a crucial period of development of our society in emerging as its own entity, one particular race was enslaved in horrible conditions. Upon gaining a release from slavery, a more situated race (not every single person) did what they could to continue their higher place in society, even instituting laws to legally do so for awhile. Because of this, a rift has always existed between the two. Not saying no other race was done wrong. Not saying no black has never participated in a racially-charged act toward a white. Not saying any of this. Not even saying other races don't deserve national recognition, b/c if you ask me I think they do. But this topic was about blacks and if they deserved their spot and I spoke my peace.

Looks like you're the one who didn't read the original post. It was a continuation of a thread called "White History Month," which asked if African Americans are highly recognized, why not whites? Why not the other races? The American railroads were built largely by immigrants, yet the people of these ethnicity don't get recognition on the scale that African Americans get.

Belittle slavery? Isn't it a good thing to belittle slavery? Slavery is bad.

and where the f**k are the supporters at??? Damn wtf? I'm rollin solo on this shit n still wreckin y'all faggots...

Based on your attitude and posts, I'm sure anyone who is remotely in support of Black History Month is trying to distance themselves from your comments.

[sillakilla220]

Looks like you're the one who didn't read the original post. It was a continuation of a thread called "White History Month," which asked if African Americans are highly recognized, why not whites? Why not the other races? The American railroads were built largely by immigrants, yet the people of these ethnicity don't get recognition on the scale that African Americans get.

Belittle slavery? Isn't it a good thing to belittle slavery? Slavery is bad .

Based on your attitude and posts, I'm sure anyone who is remotely in support of Black History Month is trying to distance themselves from your comments.

ahh i can see that you don't really understand what belittle means.





I'm an idiot huh. Through my demeanor on some gay online blogging thing with a bunch of little teeny-boppers. Suuuuuure. Well I'm sorry I'm not writing things dumbed down to a 7th grader's level. If I got a warning for member bashing this *i*c* should as well. I've actually shown the most competence in this argument seeing how points I make are actually relevant and a lot of the questions or inquiries I proposed were left unanswered thoroughly.



Seriously, enlighten us to another race or class of people you have considered more prejudiced against in the history of our country which should get its own month. Women rightfully get their month as well, seeing how it is March. How come I don't see any threads complaining about their month? J/W.... As I was saying though, besides women the only group/class/race I view as being largely discriminated against in our society is gays... but that's another topic... Ok, so Irish and Chinese built the railroads... this was one isolated event in our history. Give or take 30 yrs. Maybe blacks are considered too favorably in some instances of our country. I don't agree with that but I can understand the perspective. To question a motnh is foolish

[Mulder]

Chinese.


ever heard of the Chinese Exclusion Act?
they were the ones who worked on the railroads.

they were the ones who were forced out of the country.

yes, blacks endured horrible prejudice.

so did the Irish, jews, germans (especially germans!)..etc.
but they all were allowed to stay in the country!

Chinese were banned for 10 years from even entering the USA. immigrants in general were not welcomed into the country.

[*CrackedRearView*]

And Native Americans?

You want to talk about prejudice against a race at the hands of white people?

Black discrimination pales in comparison.

[*kryogenix*]

ahh i can see that you don't really understand what belittle means.

I'm loving this.

From Websters

belittle
One entry found for belittle.
Main Entry: be·lit·tle
Pronunciation: bi-'li-t&l
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -lit·tled; be·lit·tling /-'li-t&l-i[ng], -'lit-li[ng]/
1 : to speak slightingly of : DISPARAGE <belittles her efforts>
2 : to cause (a person or thing) to seem little or less

So I suppose it's wrong to speak disparigingly of slavery? Or to reduce its validity?

I'm an idiot huh. Through my demeanor on some gay online blogging thing with a bunch of little teeny-boppers. Suuuuuure. Well I'm sorry I'm not writing things dumbed down to a 7th grader's level. If I got a warning for member bashing this *i*c* should as well. I've actually shown the most competence in this argument seeing how points I make are actually relevant and a lot of the questions or inquiries I proposed were left unanswered thoroughly.
Seriously, enlighten us to another race or class of people you have considered more prejudiced against in the history of our country which should get its own month. Women rightfully get their month as well, seeing how it is March. How come I don't see any threads complaining about their month? J/W.... As I was saying though, besides women the only group/class/race I view as being largely discriminated against in our society is gays... but that's another topic... Ok, so Irish and Chinese built the railroads... this was one isolated event in our history. Give or take 30 yrs. Maybe blacks are considered too favorably in some instances of our country. I don't agree with that but I can understand the perspective. To question a motnh is foolish

Great, you're putting words in my mouth. I never resorted to ad hominem attacks against you. Meanwhile, you've called us idiots and faggots. Which constitutes as a violation of our policy.

Pretty much, what you've been doing on this thread was post a bunch of arguements which we have refuted, then you completely ignore our refutations and then call us idiots and faggots. This is why the thread is going nowhere.

[*disco infiltrator*]

You do realize that we're all in high school (or above, as in Justin [crackedrearview]'s case), right? Not in 7th grade? Yea, just clarifying that...and, really, it's kind of silly to try to insult us based on our age when it is blatantly clear that despite our young ages (I'm only 15! ), our minds are farther advanced.

Seriously, enlighten us to another race or class of people you have considered more prejudiced against in the history of our country which should get its own month. Women rightfully get their month as well, seeing how it is March. How come I don't see any threads complaining about their month? J/W.... As I was saying though, besides women the only group/class/race I view as being largely discriminated against in our society is gays... but that's another topic... Ok, so Irish and Chinese built the railroads... this was one isolated event in our history. Give or take 30 yrs. Maybe blacks are considered too favorably in some instances of our country. I don't agree with that but I can understand the perspective. To question a motnh is foolish

1. We are not trying to say that there are no other months; in fact, we've made the point time and time again that there are months for almost every ethnicity in the United States, but they are not nearly as recognized as Black History Month, which is why no one knows that they exist. This is about unfair treatment and favoritism. There shouldn't be any months at all because no race "deserves" more attention and recognition than another. If it is equality we are working towards, then why not make things equal?
2. THE JEWS GODDAMN HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS NEED TO BE POINTED OUT?! THE JEEEEEWWWWWSSS!!!
You do realize that the KKK that you keep referring to also makes many attacks against those of Jewish faith?
All over the world, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES, there has ALWAYS been anti-semitism, far longer than there has been against those of African descent.

Since you seem to think that everyone else gets fair and equal treatment, why in the world is there no month for Jews? And it's not that no one knows about it; there isn't one. The Holocaust really isn't the only time that there was ever any anti-semitic feelings.
3. We're not complaining about the Women's Rights Month because it's not recognized. Like, at all. Ever.

[sillakilla220]

And Native Americans?

You want to talk about prejudice against a race at the hands of white people?

Black discrimination pales in comparison.

true... well it doesnt pale but it is just as bad if not worse

[*kryogenix*]

true... well it doesnt pale but it is just as bad if not worse

I have to disagree and say that the persecution of Native Americans was much worse. I really hate to use the Hitler/Nazi arguement in any debate, but Hitler admired the United States for its treatment of Native Americans and tried to emulate this in the Holocaust.

This is not to say that I believe in affirmative action in favor of Native Americans either (or the fact that people are always trying to find Native American blood in their family history, especially when applying to colleges).

[sillakilla220]

You do realize that we're all in high school (or above, as in Justin [crackedrearview]'s case), right? Not in 7th grade? Yea, just clarifying that...and, really, it's kind of silly to try to insult us based on our age when it is blatantly clear that despite our young ages (I'm only 15! ), our minds are farther advanced .
1. We are not trying to say that there are no other months; in fact, we've made the point time and time again that there are months for almost every ethnicity in the United States, but they are not nearly as recognized as Black History Month, which is why no one knows that they exist. This is about unfair treatment and favoritism. There shouldn't be any months at all because no race "deserves" more attention and recognition than another. If it is equality we are working towards, then why not make things equal?
2. THE JEWS GODDAMN HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS NEED TO BE POINTED OUT?! THE JEEEEEWWWWWSSS!!!
You do realize that the KKK that you keep referring to also makes many attacks against those of Jewish faith?
All over the world, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES, there has ALWAYS been anti-semitism, far longer than there has been against those of African descent.

Since you seem to think that everyone else gets fair and equal treatment, why in the world is there no month for Jews? And it's not that no one knows about it; there isn't one. The Holocaust really isn't the only time that there was ever any anti-semitic feelings.
3. We're not complaining about the Women's Rights Month because it's not recognized. Like, at all. Ever .

minds are farther advanced? this does not even make me upset, it only results in arising a slight chuckle as I am overly confident you could not even begin to mentally compare with me, on a social, intellectual, or political sense. sorry.



You know what I can't answer why Black History Month is promoted so much more than any other. I suppose some on here would claim it is b/c if not blacks would cry racism. Which is possible. But you haven't given a month for another race that is recognized by our government. Not saying it doesn't exist but I am unaware of such a month and you have yet to produce one.




oh and Women's rights month isnt recognized? I find this funny b/c just today at my school there was an outdoor seminar in the center of campus coinciding with Women's Month and how their roles have changed. Not to mention I've seen commercials for it. And anti-semitic feelings are one thing. Laws physically preventing a race from equality is another. I'm sorry kid, but its like I said - all races have been prejudiced. America is built on its mixing pot culture of immigrants. I'm compelled to ask though who you honestly think has been more disenfranchised than blacks. Yeah, Native Americans have been shitted on too. But if you mean to tell me Jews are more deserving b/c of anti-semetic feelings I feel you are proving your ignorance. All minorities are hated on, but with blacks its different. White ppl are scared of blacks for watever reason. maybe for physical issues, or maybe b/c they are scared what would happen if black ppl truly gained majority power, but they are definitely scared. NO I DON'T MEAN EVERY f**king WHITE PERSON IS SCARED OF EVERY f**king BLACK PERSON. It's true in most cases though.

then you completely ignore our refutations and then call us idiots and faggots.

Actually I've responded to any claims made against me please elaborate as to which points I've ignored b/c I've done an adequate job at dismantling any arguments given.

[nothing_plus_thi...]

i will give you five dollars restitution for slavary.

if you promise to stop typing.

forever.

[sadolakced acid]

hey, what month is asian history month?

what month is holocaust rememberance month?

blacks its different. White ppl are scared of blacks for watever reason. maybe for physical issues, or maybe b/c they are scared what would happen if black ppl truly gained majority power, but they are definitely scared. NO I DON'T MEAN EVERY f**king WHITE PERSON IS SCARED OF EVERY f**king BLACK PERSON. It's true in most cases though.

i bow to your superior intellect and infallible facts.

[nothing_plus_thi...]

oh oh!

wal*mart doesn't have a "voices of women" or "voices of asians!" video series...

that right there is reason alone to believe that blacks are unfairly favoured in today's society. wal*mart likes them better than chicks and asians. so run to wal*mart for help getting over slavary. maybe they have a support group or something. or at least a couple more people to join your bizarre ebonics ridden crusade to find justice for the past.

pshh.

also.

because i've given up on this thread. and am now just being an amazing asstastic ass. this thread officially went from somewhat interesting and thought provoking to "HEY! LET'S SEE HOW MUCH I CAN ANGER THIS KID!"...because, i honestly don't care about any of it. black history month doesn't upset or offend me. it doesn't even effect me in anyway. i have no parties for it. it doesn't get it thrown in my face. i respect the past and i am sorry it ever happened. but...this crap is just so hilarious and childish to me. post after post of trying to prove that black people are THE most persecuted, oppressed, and unfairly treated people in a country built on a history of persecution, oppression, and unfair treatment of ALL people. so, i'm gonna be hilarious and childish.


carry on, children.

[sadolakced acid]

hey, it's guys like skillakilla that make the debate forum entertaining.

let's not drive him away. yet.

[nothing_plus_thi...]

but it turned from a debate into a pissing contest.

and...i've never liked pissing contests.

[sillakilla220]

hahahahaha


well... this has been entertaining nontheless as acid has pointed out. it's funny how race is always a hot rod for discussion.

hey, what month is asian history month?

i dont know thats what i was wondering.



its ok to get frustrated. I know a lot of people have been shamelessly shot down and criticized by ya boy. All I can do is offer some advice before people give up:

nothing_plus_this, its ok you're still young so you have plenty of time to develop a grasp of reality... consider leaving maine at least once it will prolly be culture shock and you don't even have to leave the country...




everything got too wound up when ppl started catchin feelings... i figured a bunch of emo kids would start to get "emotional" and riled up... does it really bother ppl that black history month gets more exposure than other minorities? hey if it bothers you that much, next time these mysterious other minority months come up why don't you post a few fliers or throw a party? nah you'd rather come on here and post some bullshit half-ass complaints




















never argue with fools 'cuz those from afar cant tell who is who

[vash1530]

what she means when she says most whit ppl r afraid of blacks iz that they are afraid of offending them.

[sillakilla220]

what she means when she says most whit ppl r afraid of blacks iz that they are afraid of offending them

nah i dont think so buddy.

[nothing_plus_thi...]

i am the same age as you. i have been outside of maine plenty of times. and i am not immature in any way. and i have a pretty damn good grasp on reality. just because someone disagrees with you or thinks you're a complete tool does not mean they are somehow impaired or immature or naive. it simply means that they see things differently than you do. which, is something i don't even understand in my situation. i never once said that black history month shouldn't exist. i never once said that all blacks should just stop whining and go back to africa. i never once said that black people don't deserve to be treated the same as everyone else. i never said that racism is right or that there even is any in the concept of black history month -- i said there was partiality, yes. but that is most certainly not racism. it is simply america attempting to please the african american community. which brings me to my next point...


i don't understand what african americans want. from society in general, but mostly white people. you alone, in this thread, have made it clear that you don't believe enough is being done to honour them. but, it is impossible to bow down and name them as the master race, to give them all the money in the world to compensate for the pain and suffering of the past. it is impossible to make EVERYONE feel that they aren't criminals, slackers, self-indulgant little twits, loud-mouthed retards, or any other cruel and unnecessary filth that people spew from their mouths. so, what, realisitically, is it that they want? MORE rights? MORE protection against the inevitable prescence of racism and bigotry? MORE money, MORE opportunities, MORE respect, MORE days of the year where they can hold their heads up and say they've come a long way? i just don't understand why...when the rest of the world needs to fight and fend for themselves for the most part, black americans depend on the government and laws to do everything for them. that race card is so played out, you can't even see the lone black slave on the face of it anymore.

i am not being immature, naive, or ignorant. i'm not even being as idealistic as i'm known for. i'm simply saying that...it's a bit much. it's a bit tiresome and a bit confusing to have to tip toe around certain people as though they're kings and queens while everyone else is simply demanding equality. there are far more pressing matters in the world, this country, than giving black people a clean slate for everyone occupying these lands. as unfortunate as it is, the more fuss is made about slavary and what you feel is owed to you, the more people are going to crawl out from the woodwork to tell you that you're nothing but a nigger. or that you're pathetic. or worthless. why force that upon yourself? why make such a loud uproar when you know it's simply going to cause you pain? is that what you want? are you all just such huge masochists that you NEED those words and those sneers in your face just to get up in the morning and make something of yourself?

please. explain. and start with what more we can give to the african american community that will make them feel as though they are part of this country. because right now, i honestly don't think they want to be part of anything. i honestly think they want to be seen as completely different and seperate people from the rest of the population. they want their own set of laws, their own set of drinking fountains, so to speak. and that makes absolutely no sense to me.

segregation is segregation no matter who is imposing it. when black people segregate themselves, it is exactly the same as when the mighty rich white man segregated them in the past. turning the tables and reversing roles will not make the situation any different.

and please, don't just resort to calling me names or assuming that i know nothing. because like i said, i am the same age as you. i have lived the same years on this earth as you have. and i have had plenty of experience in the world and with people. you belittling me is not making a point in any way.

This post has been edited by nothing_plus_this: Mar 16 2006, 01:14 PM

[NoSex]

Alot of people are talking about predjudice and levels of discrimination but no one has really built an argument yet to justify a Black History Month using such pretense. People have been bringing up the discrimination of other minorities and implying these offenses as pretense to a "X History Month" or to discredit that argument for a "Black History Month."

Why does past discrimination justify a "History Month?"
What practical use do we have for such a "History Month?"
When can such a month be exhausted?
In an age of equality, at least within federal law, why do we need such a month?
And, at that point, what kind of message do you think is being sent by holding onto such a month?

[Note: Slavery is bad. We all know that. Racism is bad. We all know that. A 'History Month' is something we don't need to remind us. And, those who are racist, and down with slavery, aren't going to be convinced by a 'History Month.' If anything, this will just fuel their hatred.]

Alright. Today, institunionalized racism, at least the kind we have seen in the past, does not exist. So, why do the offenses of the past justify the recognition of a Black History Month, I mean... we have a history class. Why do we need to have a month for learning, specifically, about black history? And why is it such a powder puff history lesson?!

If anything, I would say Black History Month has exhausted its usefullness. We learn about blacks during normal history class. This was not exactly true when the month was created, but it is true today. Carter Woodson, the African-American historian who founded Black History Month, wanted to see the month eliminated once blacks were recognized in regular history classes.

Morgan Freeman might have said it best when he said, "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history."

[nothing_plus_thi...]

[want_u_2_want_me]

[/quote]Seriously, enlighten us to another race or class of people you have considered more prejudiced against in the history of our country which should get its own month. Women rightfully get their month as well, seeing how it is March. How come I don't see any threads complaining about their month? J/W.... As I was saying though, besides women the only group/class/race I view as being largely discriminated against in our society is gays... but that's another topic... Ok, so Irish and Chinese built the railroads... this was one isolated event in our history. Give or take 30 yrs. Maybe blacks are considered too favorably in some instances of our country. I don't agree with that but I can understand the perspective. To question a motnh is foolish[/quote]

really? i didnt even kno women had their own history month nd thats probably because its not made nearly as much as a big as black history month thats why nobodys complaining because women dont cry sexism as much as blacks use the racecard

[*CrackedRearView*]

really? i didnt even kno women had their own history month nd thats probably because its not made nearly as much as a big as black history month thats why nobodys complaining because women dont cry sexism as much as blacks use the racecard

OHHHH!!! Disss.....

[TeeNage_WasTeLan...]

Growing up as a white kid, I always assumed racism was of the past. Blacks weren't segregated anymore, they had equal opportunities, even had the advantages of affirmative action and race quotas at universities. Over the past few months though I've really tried opening my eyes to different perspectives by following national news more closely and I've noticed a few things. Race DEFINITELY is still an issue in our society, especially black and white. Mexicans have garnered more attention but for different reasons. In terms of blacks and whites it seems like a drama that will never end. The newer generation of white kids, like myself, have never seen blatant racism of the past, so naturally assume its gone. The Duke scandal is a perfect example. If it were a group of black basketball players that raped a white stripper while making racial slurs (not to mention directing racial slurs at a few pedestrians) there would be ppl over the country calling for their deaths, and overall I think the response would be more outrage. I think b/c they are white it seems like nationally ppl are more like, well let's wait for the DNA tests then we will make up our minds. It's disgusting that these players would think they would get away with it and I think it just further shows that racism is still very rampant in our society, and in a way justifies the social programs implemented to help africans.

[xoxo_proud]

Oh how fun this thread is!

First off I've never heard of a Women's History Month. Probably because it's not as commercialized as Black History Month or any other history month.

"I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history."

Amen to that

[TeeNage_WasTeLan...]

Amen to that? Black history is American history, but not embraced by all. In my family we never had discussions on black struggles in America, and I'm sure many other families have neglected it as well. I think its the lack of this information that leads a lot of the racist families/people to their ignorant ideas. Think about it, black history month may seem racist, but at least it makes ppl conscious of black history. In elementary school, black history month seemed like the only time we discussed blacks. It wasn't infused in with the other discussions like it should. Maybe it was the teacher's plan to do this? Perhaps, but I feel like without Black History Month, or at least some reminder, many kids would not be educated.

[xoxo_proud]

I have never once in my life discussed anymore black history during Black History Month than I did any other month in school.

What about Irish history? Asian history? Native American history (and every other races' history for that matter)? We should give every race their own month. Hell! While we're at it why dont we add more months so we can fit everyone in?

[TeeNage_WasTeLan...]

I have never once in my life discussed anymore black history during Black History Month than I did any other month in school.

What about Irish history? Asian history? Native American history (and every other races' history for that matter)? We should give every race their own month. Hell! While we're at it why dont we add more months so we can fit everyone in?

I don't think you are getting the point. Blacks and whites have directly had problems with one another historically in our country, with blacks being the suppressed. If you don't think so, well to be honest you are mistaken. You know why there's a black history month? It's to respect the heritage of a race that was done wrong for many years. I don't want to turn this into who was shitted on the most though, because thats not what it's about. Black history month may not be the right answer to the problem, but at least its something for now. 300 yrs of slavery and another 100 in unequal rights and you're telling me that one month set aside to show respect is unwarranted?

[kimmytree]

this is where i say what i always say.

why isnt there a holocaust remembrance month? why isnt there even a holocaust rememberance day? no jewish history month?

jews have nothing.
so, before acting like its only blacks that were prejudiced against, actually look back in history.

alllsssooo, repeating what i said in the other thread, have you been enslaved? did you work for "the white man"?
no.
did your mom? or dad? no.

maybe someone in your family did, i dont know.
it doesnt matter.

my grandparents lived during the holocaust, and im not going around asking people to give me money because they lost some of theirs.

Exactly. I agree. Its pathetic that there isnt even a Holocaust [u]day[/]. I personally dont think anyone in my family died in the Holocaust, but I have several relitives who died in East Germany during WW2.

I can understand why African Americans think they deserve their own history month. I'm not saying we should take it away from them. Alot of black people that I know get mad over slavery and the way they used to be treated. Black people used to be treated much differently, especially pre - 1970's. But slavery? If someone in their family was a slave, It would be a distant relitive. Its not like its their parents or grandparents.

Like someone's already said, other nationalitys deserve their own month as well.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Alot of people are talking about predjudice and levels of discrimination but no one has really built an argument yet to justify a Black History Month using such pretense. People have been bringing up the discrimination of other minorities and implying these offenses as pretense to a "X History Month" or to discredit that argument for a "Black History Month."

Why does past discrimination justify a "History Month?"
What practical use do we have for such a "History Month?"
When can such a month be exhausted?
In an age of equality, at least within federal law, why do we need such a month?
And, at that point, what kind of message do you think is being sent by holding onto such a month?

[Note: Slavery is bad. We all know that. Racism is bad. We all know that. A 'History Month' is something we don't need to remind us. And, those who are racist, and down with slavery, aren't going to be convinced by a 'History Month.' If anything, this will just fuel their hatred.]

Alright. Today, institunionalized racism, at least the kind we have seen in the past, does not exist. So, why do the offenses of the past justify the recognition of a Black History Month, I mean... we have a history class. Why do we need to have a month for learning, specifically, about black history? And why is it such a powder puff history lesson?!

If anything, I would say Black History Month has exhausted its usefullness. We learn about blacks during normal history class. This was not exactly true when the month was created, but it is true today. Carter Woodson, the African-American historian who founded Black History Month, wanted to see the month eliminated once blacks were recognized in regular history classes.

Morgan Freeman might have said it best when he said, "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history."

Let's read this again, thanks!

[*KCreateBlog*]

Kanye West
I state the stats to stunt - I don't need to front//
I make black history every day - I don't need a month//

Yeah I said that in the other thread, you don't like it, then give me a brand new verbal warning.

Besides this thread is augmented //
I like things authentic//

This kid is the absolute truth , yeah no joke
Who him, he emerged from the crack smoke (dayummmmmmmn)

I agree with him, black history is everyday, I even have my shirt on that says

"Every month is black music month"


From Rap, Rock, Jazz, Country, I appreciate what the black man created and has speard to other cultures even if they don't get the credit they deserve.

[mandilynne]

I agree with the majority of the people that posted here. Its not fair at all. So much for equality.
And for the non history buffs. Black people from afirca sold themselves to us. Thats right. They knew we were going to treat them as slaves, and they sold thier people anyway.

[minioligo]

I agree with the majority of the people that posted here. Its not fair at all. So much for equality.
And for the non history buffs. Black people from afirca sold themselves to us. Thats right. They knew we were going to treat them as slaves, and they sold thier people anyway.

....You're kidding.

[mandilynne]

no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.

[*Uronacid*]

Well, I'm black, and like I don't know...

White people have done a shit load for the world. I mean, I'm not racist, I just feel like it's unfair to them.

We should have a Yellow Month (Asian), and a Red (Indian) too...

We could have:

• White History Month - December (snow)
• Yellow History Month - August (summer sun)
• Red History Month - October (the red fall leaves)

Red and Yellow,
Black or White,
We are precious in his sight,
Jesus loves the little children of the world.

This topic is continued from:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...e+History+Month

[Kontroll]

Haha. I didn't know Holly was into black dudes. Hmm. Well, she is part Asian so, I guess it makes sense.

And I think that is a good idear. Yes, Asians and Ingins should get their own month. I mean, it's the least we could do to contribute back to them. Right?

[bat19]

Well, I'm black, and like I don't know...

White people have done a shit load for the world. I mean, probably not as much as black people have, but still... I'm not racist either, I just feel like it's unfair to them.

We should have a Yellow Month (Asian), and a Red (Indian) too...

The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

Josh and Co. -

You have exactly ONE post in which to refute not breaking ANY of the following:

- that it's semi-intelligent
- that people can actually have solid opinions on it
- that people can actually back up these opinions with solid facts, not just personal opinions and feelings

CONTROVERSY
Think before you post. Everyone is different and everyone has different stances on certain issues. A little tact is never a bad thing. When you have an argument, it's better to post with reasoning justifying your views. Avoid saying things that creates or has the potential of creating controversy.

And when I say refute, I want you to BACK IT UP with something valid. You guys know how Debate works. Would your school allow this?

Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate any and all debates, AS LONG as they're real debates.

Mods (ANY People Staff, Head Staff or Admin) - if you come across this thread and they have responded without validating this as a real debate (ie, actually posting some facts, news, statistics or anything of the like) then close it.

OH and you do realize that cussing isn't allowed RIGHT? Fine, let me remind you then:

Cussing is not allowed.

Take a few minute and read over both the Community Guidelines and the Debate Forum Rules.

[*Uronacid*]

Josh and Co. -

You have exactly ONE post in which to refute not breaking ANY of the following:
And when I say refute, I want you to BACK IT UP with something valid. You guys know how Debate works. Would your school allow this?

Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate any and all debates, AS LONG as they're real debates.

Mods (ANY People Staff, Head Staff or Admin) - if you come across this thread and they have responded without validating this as a real debate (ie, actually posting some facts, news, statistics or anything of the like) then close it.

OH and you do realize that cussing isn't allowed RIGHT? Fine, let me remind you then:

Take a few minute and read over both the Community Guidelines and the Debate Forum Rules.

Well, ok... ;]

I don't know, apparently this was a valid debate way back in the day (Feb 2006). For some reason it was closed after 700+ posts were made in it... I guess the mod who closed the post said they would re-open it and never did.

Boom boom... Check it:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...e+History+Month

LOL@Boom boom check it. However, you posting a thread to a similar debate that was closed due to the volume of posts isn't what I asked. What I asked is that you refute (in one post) why you haven't broken ANY of the posted guidelines. For example, the referring to any one group of people as yellow, red isn't respectful. ;-) This doesn't help:

Well, I'm black, and like I don't know...

The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.

Neither does "injins." Come on guys. I have no problems leaving this open, just have some respect. Which would mean not likening seasons to the color of people. K? Rephrase your first post (which was my point, really). ROFL, longest edit EVER! jk ;) Josh, just work with me here, ok?

This post has been edited by Duchess of Dork: Feb 9 2007, 03:04 PM

[kimmytree]

And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.

What the heck? How are blacks more deserving than any other race? Ever think that you learn more about white people in history class is because pretty much all the major inventions and scientific advancements were made by whites / Americans / Europeans? I'm not saying that others arent capable of it, but its true. (Not to be racist or anything).

A white history month would be nice for us to be able to celebrate our European heritage. Same for any other race... Asians, Hispanics, ect.

[silly ol' man]

^ His post seemed almost entirely to be in jest.

[Simba]

Well, there actually already are months dedicated to Asians and Hispanics.

Asian Pacific American Heritage Month, in the month of May.
National Hispanic Heritage Month, during September 15 to October 15.

Though, I guess they aren't as well known as Black History Month.

[mandilynne]

The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.

"The white man has brought them to extinction?" "We already have 11 of them?"

Your the reason why I cant stand most black people. You remind me of all the black people that go to my school. They segregate themselves at lunch, forming there own lunch table. And they remind everyone at least 5 times a day that they deserve respect as a black person. They talk about things they dont understand, and use words like "ignorant" when they dont even know the meaning of it. Your a joke. Black people want everything just handed to them on a silver platter, and im sick of it. All they ever wanted back then was to be equal, and now they have more rights then we do. Pathetic.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.

Here are the general forum rules that you must follow before you start any debate topics. Please make sure you've read and followed all directions.

• Topics are not to bash others.
• Immature behaviors/comments will not be tolerated.
• Please don't double post.
• Cussing is not allowed.
• All debate topics must be kept at a certain maturity level.
• Please remember, not everyone thinks like you. People have their ways of thinking and perspectives. Let's respect each other's thoughts and responses.
• Be nice.
• NEW! Polls are not allowed in debate forum. It's because debate aren't voting on sides. Debates are giving evidence to prove your own points. If everybody vote, there there'll be no point to debate.

This is it for now. If you fail to abide by these directions, the topics will be automatically closed.

Feel free to argue.

I would also like to add, if you're going to make a topic, please make sure:

- that it's semi-intelligent
- that people can actually have solid opinions on it
- that people can actually back up these opinions with solid facts, not just personal opinions and feelings

All such topics that violate these guidelines will be closed by a mod. Thank you, and happy debating.

What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."

[bat19]

"The white man has brought them to extinction?" "We already have 11 of them?"

Your the reason why I cant stand most black people. You remind me of all the black people that go to my school. They segregate themselves at lunch, forming there own lunch table. And they remind everyone at least 5 times a day that they deserve respect as a black person. They talk about things they dont understand, and use words like "ignorant" when they dont even know the meaning of it. Your a joke. Black people want everything just handed to them on a silver platter, and im sick of it. All they ever wanted back then was to be equal, and now they have more rights then we do. Pathetic.

LOL!!! Wow, that is extremely funny to me. For your information, I happen to be white, well white in that I'm half Puerto Rican and half white but I look white. I dont even know where you got the whole "Blacks want everything given to them" idea. Not once did I ever say that in my post. Whatever, thank you for making me actually laugh out loud.

[*disco infiltrator*]

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=124526

It's still on the first page. Come on.

[femmefatale4160]

What the heck? How are blacks more deserving than any other race? Ever think that you learn more about white people in history class is because pretty much all the major inventions and scientific advancements were made by whites / Americans / Europeans? I'm not saying that others arent capable of it, but its true. (Not to be racist or anything).

A white history month would be nice for us to be able to celebrate our European heritage. Same for any other race... Asians, Hispanics, ect.

Could you be any more ignorant? African Americans contributed a lot to this country, and you probably have no idea just how much.

-Dr. Charles Richard Drew, a black man, pioneered the idea of a blood bank.
-George Washington Carver, another black man, came up with over 200 uses for the peanut, including a rubber substitute, adhesives, foodstuffs, dyes, pigments, and many other products.
-George Crum, a Native American/African American chef, invented the potato chip.
-Clatonia Joaquin Dorticus invented shoe dye and a device that quickened the development of photographs, among other things.
-Philip B. Downing invented the mailbox as we know it today.
-Garrett Morgan invented the gas mask and the traffic signal.
-Sarah Goode invented the folding cabinet bed and was the first black woman to receive an inventor's patent.
-Lewis Latimer worked on Thomas Edison's research team and improved Edison's lightbulb by inventing the carbon filament.
-Elijah McCoy was a mechanical engineer and inventor. McCoy's high-quality industrial inventions (especially his steam engine lubricator) were the basis for the expression "the real McCoy," meaning the real, authentic, or high-quality thing.
-Norbert Rillieux invented a sugar evaporator that not only made sugar processing faster, it created a superior sugar.
-Madame C.J. Walker invented dozens of hair products that are still used today; most famous for her hot comb.
-Augustus Jackson invented ice cream.
-Lloyd Augustus Hall is responsible for the meat-curing products, seasonings, and antioxidants that keep our food fresh and edible.

I could go on for hours, but there's a small idea of how wrong you are. And in addition, there is a BIG difference between "whites/Europeans" and "Americans." NATIVE Americans were here long before the Europeans slaughtered them, raped them, and stole their land, hence the "native" part.

In response to the original post, I do think that other races should have an appreciation month (or at least something similar) as well as African-Americans.

Your the reason why I cant stand most black people. You remind me of all the black people that go to my school. They segregate themselves at lunch, forming there own lunch table. And they remind everyone at least 5 times a day that they deserve respect as a black person. They talk about things they dont understand, and use words like "ignorant" when they dont even know the meaning of it. Your a joke. Black people want everything just handed to them on a silver platter, and im sick of it. All they ever wanted back then was to be equal, and now they have more rights then we do. Pathetic.

You need to get a clue, too. Your ignorance is distressing.

Oh, and guess what? I'm black, I scored high enough on my SAT to get into Stanford, Brown and Fordham, and not only do I know what "ignorant" means, I know the difference between "your," "you're," and "there," they're" and "their."

[kimmytree]

Could you be any more ignorant? African Americans contributed a lot to this country, and you probably have no idea just how much.

-Dr. Charles Richard Drew, a black man, pioneered the idea of a blood bank.
-George Washington Carver, another black man, came up with over 200 uses for the peanut, including a rubber substitute, adhesives, foodstuffs, dyes, pigments, and many other products.
-George Crum, a Native American/African American chef, invented the potato chip.
-Clatonia Joaquin Dorticus invented shoe dye and a device that quickened the development of photographs, among other things.
-Philip B. Downing invented the mailbox as we know it today.
-Garrett Morgan invented the gas mask and the traffic signal.
-Sarah Goode invented the folding cabinet bed and was the first black woman to receive an inventor's patent.
-Lewis Latimer worked on Thomas Edison's research team and improved Edison's lightbulb by inventing the carbon filament.
-Elijah McCoy was a mechanical engineer and inventor. McCoy's high-quality industrial inventions (especially his steam engine lubricator) were the basis for the expression "the real McCoy," meaning the real, authentic, or high-quality thing.
-Norbert Rillieux invented a sugar evaporator that not only made sugar processing faster, it created a superior sugar.
-Madame C.J. Walker invented dozens of hair products that are still used today; most famous for her hot comb.
-Augustus Jackson invented ice cream.
-Lloyd Augustus Hall is responsible for the meat-curing products, seasonings, and antioxidants that keep our food fresh and edible.

I NEVER said that blacks havent made any contributions to society... they definately have. What I meant was... open up your Science book, and look at who came up with pretty much all the theorems, inventions ect, Europeans.

I could go on for hours, but there's a small idea of how wrong you are.

Haha, funny. So could I.

And in addition, there is a BIG difference between "whites/Europeans" and "Americans." NATIVE Americans were here long before the Europeans slaughtered them, raped them, and stole their land, hence the "native" part.

Well obviously. We as american citizens, ARE AMERICANS. Yeah, obviously there's a big difference between being an American and being a Native American. No one ever said that didnt happen. Its a shame that it did. But did you know slaves from Africa were sold into slavery by their own people? So that's no worse.

In response to the original post, I do think that other races should have an appreciation month (or at least something similar) as well as African-Americans.

Agreed.

[femmefatale4160]

I NEVER said that blacks havent made any contributions to society... they definately have. What I meant was... open up your Science book, and look at who came up with pretty much all the theorems, inventions ect, Europeans.

I never denied that those of European descent contributed a lot to this country. However, African Americans didn't (and still don't) get nearly enough credit and often, textbooks will credit whites as inventing things that were actually from the mind of a black person.

Also, most scientific theorems were created while those scientists were still living in Europe, particularly England. The United States was still in the age of colonization when chemistry was a popular form of scientific study in the UK. Besides, blacks were not allowed an education until relatively recently, in historical perspective. Hence the whites "who came up with pretty much all the theorems, inventions, etc."

Well obviously. We as american citizens, ARE AMERICANS. Yeah, obviously there's a big difference between being an American and being a Native American.

Well, I know that. But in your original post, you grouped Europeans and Americans together in the same category as far as technological contributions go. If you're talking about current American citizens, that would include the African Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Americans, and dozens of other races who live here, too.

No one ever said that didnt happen. Its a shame that it did. But did you know slaves from Africa were sold into slavery by their own people? So that's no worse.

Yes, actually I did. Although some African countries practiced such things, most black slaves were kidnapped and mistreated. Ever seen Roots? Good series.

[*Duchess of Dork*]

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=124526

It's still on the first page. Come on.

Uh, ok. Guess my search button's retarded because I swear I didn't see this.

Since it's been so kindly pointed out.

Closed Merged

[*disco infiltrator*]

The "Come on" wasn't towards you, Rebecca; it was to the starter of the topic. For someone who is so active in the Debate forum, it wasn't exactly easy to overlook.

[mandilynne]

[quote name='Duchess of Dork' post='2456243' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' post='2447827' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' post='1947633' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' post='2450260' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat.





[quote name='Duchess of Dork' post='2456243' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' post='2447827' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' post='1947633' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' post='2450260' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:

[quote name='Duchess of Dork' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM' post='2456243']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM' post='2447827']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM' post='1947633']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM' post='2450260']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:
[quote name='Duchess of Dork' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM' post='2456243']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM' post='2447827']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM' post='1947633']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM' post='2450260']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:
[quote name='Duchess of Dork' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM' post='2456243']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM' post='2447827']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM' post='1947633']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM' post='2450260']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:
[quote name='Duchess of Dork' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM' post='2456243']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM' post='2447827']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM' post='1947633']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM' post='2450260']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:
[quote name='Duchess of Dork' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM' post='2456243']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM' post='2447827']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM' post='1947633']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM' post='2450260']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:
[quote name='Duchess of Dork' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM' post='2456243']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM' post='2447827']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM' post='1947633']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM' post='2450260']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:
[quote name='Duchess of Dork' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM' post='2456243']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM' post='2447827']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM' post='1947633']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM' post='2450260']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:
[quote name='Duchess of Dork' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM' post='2456243']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM' post='2447827']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM' post='1947633']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM' post='2450260']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:


opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' post='1947633' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' post='2450260' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:
[quote name='Duchess of Dork' post='2456243' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' post='2447827' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' post='1947633' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' post='2450260' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:
[quote name='Duchess of Dork' post='2456243' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
[/quote]



Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' post='2447827' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' post='1947633' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
[/quote]

[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' post='2450260' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
[/quote]



Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:
[quote name='Duchess of Dork' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM' post='2456243']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

P

owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
[/quote]

So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM' post='1947633']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
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[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM' post='2450260']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of extinction.
The problem with having a Yellow History month is that none of the yellow's leave they're computers long enough to celebrate it.
And as far as having a White History month, they already have 11 of them, let the Blacks have their one.
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Concluding this, I will say 1 last thing. Your nothing in real life. Garbage. The only power you will ever have is bullying people on the forums with your fat biased opinions.




Ps: Your fat. And your son's just another worthless minority. (:

[quote name='Duchess of Dork' date='Feb 14 2007, 2:49 PM' post='2456243']
^ Read the rules. That response isn't at all a Debate response, it's your personal opinion/feelings.
What and where do you come off? First off, the guy is white, not black (as far as I know). You talk in hyperbole, without supporting anything with any type of fact or statistic. Oh and as far as ignorance and talking about what "they" don't understand goes, I'd like to direct you to mzkandi and Madame C. BOTH are well into college. In fact, Carrie (Madame C) is currently studying abroad in London. You want to tell me that they aren't willing to work their butts off to get ahead in life?

Really, I have no patience for those type of replies. Keep it up, and you'll get warned. Like I said before, read the rules and follow them.

PS - It's "you're" for "You are," not "your."
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Hey fat slob, I could care less if you warn me on an internet site. You see, unlike you I have a real life, and I dont spend every waking moment on this forum, getting aroused by having admin privledges to boss other people around with. Secondly, fatty-mcfatters I alrighty supplied facts earlier ..... example A:
[quote name='mandilynne' date='Feb 7 2007, 5:07 AM' post='2447827']
no im not kidding, Nice smart ass reply though. Along the west coast of Africa, from the Cameroons in the south to Senegal in the north, Europeans built some sixty forts that served as trading posts. European sailors seeking riches brought rum, cloth, guns, and other goods to these posts and traded them for human beings. This human cargo was transported across the Atlantic Ocean and sold to New World slave owners, who bought slaves to work their crops.

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves. African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade.
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So you can take your seat now. Last but not least, Correcting my spelling doesnt insult me, Unlike you, I didnt have a kid at the age of 16 and ruin my life, ( and vagina :) ), and Im actually going places in life. Your just a sad pathetic e-whore that spends all your time looking for other people to insult because they dont agree with your opinion.

Oh and btw, wheres your boyfriend/husband/babys father in any of your pics? Dont have one? Nice. Judging by your kid, he'll be a great trashman when hes older, or maybe he'll follow your footsteps and become a great forum mod. Rofl.

With all of this said, Im sick of all the admins here that abuse the hell out of there privledges, and say theyll ban/warn people because of thier opinions. And dont even say I was the only one that used a personal opinion/name calling in the debate section

Example B:

[quote name='CrackedRearView' date='Mar 15 2006, 7:35 PM' post='1947633']
^ You are an idiot. Plain and simple.

And not because of your opinions or your intelligence, simply through your demeanor.
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[quote name='The Abominable C-Pillar' date='Feb 9 2007, 2:21 PM' post='2450260']
The problem with having a Red History month is that all the reds are dead. The white man has brought them to the brink of

[kimmytree]

^ I'm guessing that needs to be removed?

He/she is just doing their job. A forum needs to be moderated, or all hell would break loose.

[femmefatale4160]

^Ditto. And where do you get off talking to people that way, mandilynne? Rude doesn't even begin to cover it.

[sakaitone]

2^ Whoa, what do you have against fat people,young mothers and trashmen? That was a mean post.

Alot of you make generalizations and assumations, like someone said that they can't stand black people because they purposely make themselves look like the victim, another said all asians are nerds, all native americans are dead, all white people are racist and etc. It isn't everyone who said things like that racist though? Isn't that racism, to assume that people of one race are a certain way?The most unracist thing I know of is death, no matter what race we are, what we do, what has happened to us, we all die.

We've all suffered, maybe not from the same things but we suffered at one period in time haven't we? Racism isn't the only thing that has made people suffer. Diseases like cancer aren't racist but lots of people still suffer from that, love isn't racist and (heart broken) people suffer from that, hunger isn't racist but we still suffer from that. Shouldn't we focus on important things like curing diseases and doing something about global warning, instead of fighting about who gets a month or not?

As cheesy as my post may be, or how stupid is may be, it is my personal opinion. Everyone has the right to an opinion, no matter how stupid you may think it to be and if you do think my post is stupid, just say it. Its your opinion, I'll accept it as that. Just because its your opinion doesn't mean its true and I don't care. You have never walked a thousand miles in my shoes or know a thing about me, so your opinion isn't completely true, you haven't evaulated everything about me to form a true and honest opinion, you're only forming your opinions on bits and pieces but it is your opinion and you are entitled to think it.

Race months to me are pointless, I mean it is good to be like "Yay, people like me did something for the world!" and take pride in your race. I think people only want race months to be honored and feel special for the accomplishments that thier race made. Face the facts, those aren't your accomplishments. Why should you be able to take pride in those accomplishments? Why should you get attention, honor and special care for nothing you helped with or had anything to do with? You have to work for it, if you want all those things. The only time you deserve to be honored, get attention and special care if you worked to accomplish something.

And if you really do want a race month for whatever race you are, then don't argue about it online that does nothing to help your cause. Start a petition, give speechs and etc, whining about how you don't have a month online doesn't mean anything. If you really want that month badly, you have to work for it. Things aren't always handed to you. Getting what you want is something you have to work for.

[Stuckie]

What the heck? How are blacks more deserving than any other race? Ever think that you learn more about white people in history class is because pretty much all the major inventions and scientific advancements were made by whites / Americans / Europeans? I'm not saying that others arent capable of it, but its true. (Not to be racist or anything).

A white history month would be nice for us to be able to celebrate our European heritage. Same for any other race... Asians, Hispanics, ect.

You're right. We learn more about white people in classes because they contributed to a lot inventions and scienftific advancements we use today. Which is one reason why we dont need a white history month. We hear about these people all year long. Black history month isn't a holiday or a clebration where us black people get together and act like we're more deseving than other races with parades and parties. Its a month where we recognize the black men and women who also contributed to our society as well. I'm in my 12th year in school, and I never heard about a black scientist, political activist, writer, or inventor outside of black history month. I'm grateful for this month.

FYI There is a Hispanic and Asian history month. Sptember 15 - October15 is Hispanic History Month and May is Asian Pacific American Heritage Month.

[troublemaker36]

So the Africans who are committing genocide against the darker-skinned Africans in Darfur right now are just white on the inside?
And Saddam Hussein, who killed millions of his people for not being of his kind, was just white on the inside?
And the tribesleaders who actually sold their own people to the white people as slaves in the first place were just white on the inside?
And the Jewish people that are white really aren't because they've been discriminated against?

Now I get it! You're absolutely right; the only way any of these events and more could have happened was if these racist people were white on the inside and the ones who were discriminated against were really black on the inside. Duh! It's impossible for anyone who isn't white to be racist and impossible for anyone who isn't black to be discriminated against by those stupid racist white people!

Geez, I should really go get plastic surgery, being inherently a Jew and all. I'm not showing my true colors! People might think I'm racist because I'm not black!

thankyou!

[troublemaker36]

i'll agree with some of wat was said before me. blacks are the highest spenders out of any race and that DOES have something to do with our social standing. but please understand this, when slavery ended there was so much done by whites to keep them poverty-stricken. in fact it was nearly another century b4 segregation laws were overturned. so to say that every race has the same opportunity to succeed is bullshit.
its hard debating any race related issues w/ those of other races tho b/c each person sees it from a different perspective. white ppl commonly think that racial issues have gone away in this country and that is so false that its a dangerous way of thinking. but its like i said before... as wrong as affirmative action or any other pro-black organizations may seem, its been shown in the past that without these things there is blatant racism shown. so technically, without white people's racism there would be no need for these things. and affirmative action is not geared directly toward blacks its toward all minorities.


and there are organizations for education that help fund all kinds of races. if u think there are only pro-black foundations then u are crazy and need to wake the f**k up. and who gives a f**k if theres a black channel?? its not called We-Hate-Whitey-Channel its just a channel to funnel black culture b/c its not seen much on other channels. there are latino channels n shit so wats the difference? there is no need for a white channel b/c much of the tv u see has majority white casts and this is not my own opinion its FACT. and if there was a white channel wat would be on it? b/c there isnt really a clear cut culture for white ppl so i dont even kno wat kinda shit would be on there?

since when do white people thing that racism has gone away? we dont, we just dont use it as an excuse for everything.

and you say its geared towards all "minorites." in your opinion im assuming thats everything excluding white people?
let me let you in on a little secret. thats called racism sweety. so guess what..its YOU too. so do yourself a favor and get off the pitty pot. yes its been well over established that slaver was a horrible thing, and sure your still suffering for it, but you act like the people responsible for it are still alive. why are white people still paying for it? what would you like us to do?? and if you havent figured it out yet, im white. my ancestors aren't even from this country, yet somehow i still fall under the racist category because of the color of my skin.
so once again, let me tell you what thats called. Racism


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sorry didnt mean to double post!

[Stuckie]

since when do white people thing that racism has gone away? we dont, we just dont use it as an excuse for everything.

and you say its geared towards all "minorites." in your opinion im assuming thats everything excluding white people?
let me let you in on a little secret. thats called racism sweety. so guess what..its YOU too. so do yourself a favor and get off the pitty pot. yes its been well over established that slaver was a horrible thing, and sure your still suffering for it, but you act like the people responsible for it are still alive. why are white people still paying for it? what would you like us to do?? and if you havent figured it out yet, im white. my ancestors aren't even from this country, yet somehow i still fall under the racist category because of the color of my skin.
so once again, let me tell you what thats called. Racism

Actually, racism is the belief that a race is superior to another, or that a race is inferior to another. Him saying affirmative action is geared towards all minorities isnt racist. Misinformed, but not racist.

Affirmative action, the set of public policies and initiatives designed to help eliminate past and present discrimination based on race, color, religion, disability status, sex, or national origin

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

And you're right. The people who were responsible for the pain and suffering of slavery are no longer alive, but the idea still very much is. It isn't as blatant as it was like 50 years ago, but it is still there.

Need an example? I was watching one of those murder cases on court tv. They suspected a black man for the rape and murder of a 9 year old girl. He was later convicted and sentenced to death. They found new evidence in the case which led them to a middle age white male. He was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. The black man was realeased, but why was he put on death row and give the white male life? Was the crime any less heinous? They were about to kill this black man for that crime, but when its the white man they put him behind bars the rest of his life.

Need another one? This one happened to me recently. My cousin and I are walking to the bus stop to go to the mall. A police car pulls over and two white officers stop me and my cousin to question us about an armed robbery 5 minutes from where we were. I took criminal justice courses in high school, so Im no idiot when it comes to police protocol. I asked them what reasonble suspicion did they have to stop us. They said we fit the complexion of the criminals. For those who didnt catch that, they said "we fit the complexion of the criminals". So were we not supposed to be black in front of the police officers? Or are we not supposed to be black in public?

Like I said before, the idea of racism is still strong in this country. Its everywhere. Being white and living in America doesnt automatically make you a racist, but you still have subtle racist beliefs. Either through stereotypes black people and other minorities or through their ignorance of the racism in this country.

[NoSex]

Like I said before, the idea of racism is still strong in this country. Its everywhere. Being white and living in America doesnt automatically make you a racist, but you still have subtle racist beliefs. Either through stereotypes black people and other minorities or through their ignorance of the racism in this country.

Watch a little too much Crash recently?