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post Jul 23 2007, 08:55 PM
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Yeah, I thought that was unlikely... = (
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 09:28 PM
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I apologized (but technically was not the one to lower your warning level) because true - I made a mistake. Small, but real. In this situation, Suzzette did not. Why? Because you put up the so-called spoilers (I guess we'll call them 'speculations', then?) constantly, even when asked to stop. I understand that you thought that it was wrong for her to ask you to stop, but really, would it of been that hard to? And would it be that hard to agree to disagree? You drop it, we drop it. We agree to be more careful with personal judgement and consult the higher positions. Easy, right?
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 09:31 PM
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Let me ask again: why should I stop doing something that isn't wrong?
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 09:37 PM
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Maybe if people find it annoying.

It's the courteous thing to do, I suppose.
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Jul 23 2007, 09:37 PM) *
Maybe if people find it annoying.

It's the courteous thing to do, I suppose.

A lot of people find Popoberry's postings annoying, I don't see anyone courteously shutting that member up... tamacracker, too (but he's not half-bad). There are others though...

I don't think that's a plausible reason.
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 10:32 PM
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If someone had just clarified that it was a joke, it would alllllll be fine.

Why should he have to clarify?
So the mods that are having people complaining to them would know so then they wouldn't have to punish.

It's that easy. It's about knowledge. One cannot have expected the mod dealing with the problem to have known that seeing as the book itself wasn't even out yet, so one could not individually confirm that they were or were not spoilers.
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Jul 23 2007, 09:37 PM) *
Maybe if people find it annoying.

It's the courteous thing to do, I suppose.


I agree, but I wouldn't call it annoying.

I don't care about any of Kryo's other posts, but him posting up accurate OR inaccurate Harry Potter spoilers was something rude and obviously malignant towards the entire population of Harr Potter fans. Popoberry's and Tama's posts are annoying to some of us, but they are simply stating their opinions half the time and not ATTEMPTING to make others upset.

It's just like those guys-ASSHOLES who drive by the midnight Harry Potter gatherings and scream out "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE." Is that illegal? I have no idea. Is it wrong? Probably not. But it causes huge controversy, mayhem, and even hurt feelings to some.

I honestly thought that Kryo/Kyro (I forgot) would never stoop so low to be a forum troll. Those people that try to spoil the ending of books that people actually LIVE with are pathetic losers who seriously need to find more interesting things to do, rather than laughing at their own stupid actions that cause pain.
 
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QUOTE(ersatz @ Jul 23 2007, 11:32 PM) *
If someone had just clarified that it was a joke, it would alllllll be fine.

Why should he have to clarify?
So the mods that are having people complaining to them would know so then they wouldn't have to punish.

It's that easy. It's about knowledge. One cannot have expected the mod dealing with the problem to have known that seeing as the book itself wasn't even out yet, so one could not individually confirm that they were or were not spoilers.


I seem to recall people saying that what I said wasn't true. That alone should have then put doubt on what I said. If this was the reason, why wasn't other speculation on the ending considered spoiling? If the mods weren't sure, why did they conclusively determine that it was a spoiler? The possibilities here:

1) They didn't think and acted impulsively
2) They did think, took a gamble and assumed I was right and got burned

It's pretty funny how this thread is turning out.

Mods: "We're interested in what you have to say and we're willing to listen."
Me: "In that case, I think you're wrong and here's why."
Mods: "Guys, why don't we just drop the conversation?"
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(ersatz @ Jul 23 2007, 11:32 PM) *
If someone had just clarified that it was a joke, it would alllllll be fine.

Why should he have to clarify?
So the mods that are having people complaining to them would know so then they wouldn't have to punish.

It's that easy. It's about knowledge. One cannot have expected the mod dealing with the problem to have known that seeing as the book itself wasn't even out yet, so one could not individually confirm that they were or were not spoilers.


I seem to recall people saying that what I said wasn't true. That alone should have then put doubt on what I said. If this was the reason, why wasn't other speculation on the ending considered spoiling? If the mods weren't sure, why did they conclusively determine that it was a spoiler? The possibilities here:

1) They didn't think and acted impulsively
2) They did think, took a gamble and assumed I was right and got burned

It's pretty funny how this thread is turning out.

Mods: "We're interested in what you have to say and we're willing to listen."
Me: "In that case, I think you're wrong and here's why."
Mods: "Guys, why don't we just drop the conversation?"

QUOTE(Michelle @ Jul 23 2007, 11:42 PM) *
I agree, but I wouldn't call it annoying.

I don't care about any of Kryo's other posts, but him posting up accurate OR inaccurate Harry Potter spoilers was something rude and obviously malignant towards the entire population of Harr Potter fans. Popoberry's and Tama's posts are annoying to some of us, but they are simply stating their opinions half the time and not ATTEMPTING to make others upset.

It's just like those guys-ASSHOLES who drive by the midnight Harry Potter gatherings and scream out "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE." Is that illegal? I have no idea. Is it wrong? Probably not. But it causes huge controversy, mayhem, and even hurt feelings to some.

I honestly thought that Kryo/Kyro (I forgot) would never stoop so low to be a forum troll. Those people that try to spoil the ending of books that people actually LIVE with are pathetic losers who seriously need to find more interesting things to do, rather than laughing at their own stupid actions that cause pain.

BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW SOMEONE CALL THE WAAAMBULANCE
In the spirit of respectful discussion, I'll give it a few more minutes of my time.

I was thinking about going to the local bookstore and handing out cards with the spoilers written on them, but I didn't know the release date for the book was when it was.

Stop and think why people do these midnight raids. The people who do this find Harry Potter childish and stupid. The best part is when the people say "OMG GROW UP U HAFF NO LIFE" and they're standing there, having waited for hours on a line, in a silly costume, for a children's book.

The funny thing was, a bunch of younger kids actually asked me to spoil it for them, and they were quite pleased when I told them the ending.

The world doesn't end when a book is spoiled. Unless you're the kind of person who commits suicide because the ending got spoiled for them.

And you never know, the person might just be wanting to save you the money of buying the book.

QUOTE(ersatz @ Jul 24 2007, 12:03 AM) *
Again, mods are not an entity. I never said I was entirely interested; I really don't care. Although, I'm not a mod either...


Read the thread again.
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:08 PM
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Uhh, ok, so I accidentally double-posted my last post, so I tried to delete one of them, and it said I couldn't (?) so I deleted the other one, and now they're both gone, so here it is again:

Again, mods are not an entity. I never said I was entirely interested; I really don't care. Although, I'm not a mod either...
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:10 PM
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See above.
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(Michelle @ Jul 23 2007, 10:42 PM) *
I agree, but I wouldn't call it annoying.

I don't care about any of Kryo's other posts, but him posting up accurate OR inaccurate Harry Potter spoilers was something rude and obviously malignant towards the entire population of Harr Potter fans. Popoberry's and Tama's posts are annoying to some of us, but they are simply stating their opinions half the time and not ATTEMPTING to make others upset.

It's just like those guys-ASSHOLES who drive by the midnight Harry Potter gatherings and scream out "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE." Is that illegal? I have no idea. Is it wrong? Probably not. But it causes huge controversy, mayhem, and even hurt feelings to some.

I honestly thought that Kryo/Kyro (I forgot) would never stoop so low to be a forum troll. Those people that try to spoil the ending of books that people actually LIVE with are pathetic losers who seriously need to find more interesting things to do, rather than laughing at their own stupid actions that cause pain.


Really... I disagree on the two members not attempting to make others upset. You might want to step into the debate forum and find out the level of upset they caused before speaking on their behalf. I assure you, I am not the only one they've offend, though Tama hasn't offended me on a personal level, I've seen him done it to a few others.

This is a matter of opinion.

You're saying that the two are not assholes, I say they are (based on what I've seen in Debate). You say those who want to spoil Harry Potter for fans are assholes, I say they are not (based on the fact that there are those who live for spoilers, me being one of them).

So, it comes down to who's opinion is valued more strongly?
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 23 2007, 11:08 PM) *
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW SOMEONE CALL THE WAAAMBULANCE
In the spirit of respectful discussion, I'll give it a few more minutes of my time.

I was thinking about going to the local bookstore and handing out cards with the spoilers written on them, but I didn't know the release date for the book was when it was.

Stop and think why people do these midnight raids. The people who do this find Harry Potter childish and stupid. The best part is when the people say "OMG GROW UP U HAFF NO LIFE" and they're standing there, having waited for hours on a line, in a silly costume, for a children's book.

The funny thing was, a bunch of younger kids actually asked me to spoil it for them, and they were quite pleased when I told them the ending.

The world doesn't end when a book is spoiled. Unless you're the kind of person who commits suicide because the ending got spoiled for them.

And you never know, the person might just be wanting to save you the money of buying the book.


*scoff* "the person might just be wanting to save you the money of buying the book." Yeah, right.

Sure, there are people who don't care about the ending of the book and there are people who do. Maybe next time you should just tell people the spoilers who ASK FOR THEM?

And to many of us, it is not simply a childrens' book.

"Stop and think why people do these midnight raids. The people who do this find Harry Potter childish and stupid."

Why do they put the energy into this sort of thing? -to ruin the fun for others. That is something much more immature and selfish than being a fan of a book. And forgive me if I'm wrong, but books can sometimes be educating and fun and something people like to fill their times with.

Thank you for at least respectfully answering my input.
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:24 PM
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I gotta agree with the Spirited Away person. Its a matter of personal opinion about the Harry Potter spoilers. I can understand why someone who hates spoilers would be upset. Me personally I enjoyed the spoilers that were posted ( Even though he could have posted a lot more) because it saved me the trouble of reading 700 plus pages. Although I do not know if his attentions were good or bad when he posted it.
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:26 PM
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people can get spoilers somewhere other than cb
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:31 PM
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You know what should be made into a rule? Linking to the posts that caused the member to receive punishment so that it may be stored in the log. Yeah, who wants more rules but if it's a case of 'I didn't do it' such as this, it would be highly useful.
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE(Michelle @ Jul 24 2007, 12:18 AM) *
*scoff* "the person might just be wanting to save you the money of buying the book." Yeah, right.

Sure, there are people who don't care about the ending of the book and there are people who do. Maybe next time you should just tell people the spoilers who ASK FOR THEM?


That would take too much effort. I have a life outside of spoiling books. Time is precious, I can't be bothered to ask people.

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And to many of us, it is not simply a childrens' book.


And to many of us, it's silly and hopefully we've all learned something in the end.

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Why do they put the energy into this sort of thing? -to ruin the fun for others. That is something much more immature and selfish than being a fan of a book. And forgive me if I'm wrong, but books can sometimes be educating and fun and something people like to fill their times with.

Means to an end and not the end itself. I guess it can be viewed as selfish, but we all win in the end. You'll thank us later.
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Thank you for at least respectfully answering my input.


I'm going to have to end it right here because this conversation is irrelevant since I didn't post spoilers. PM me if you'd like to talk more, but I'd rather not the conversation go off topic.

Still waiting on the mods' answer.

Oh wait here it is.

QUOTE(brownsugar @ Jul 24 2007, 12:28 AM) *
When members are complaining about controversial things being posted...whether you personally are offended or not--it's our job to bring an end to it. Like I said--personally, I didn't care either way. But I had to do my job. No decision can please everyone. As you can see, we are very divided.


Can you bring an end to your poor judgment? Cause it looks like a bunch of members are complaining about that.

What you said has already been established. What I need for you guys to admit now is that you were wrong.
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:36 PM
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I am an advocate of the saying "ya can't please everyone", so I agree with Suzzette on that note. However, if we cannot come to an agreement on any matter, then let's look at cB's law for guidance.

Apparently, there is no guideline addressing the problem of spoilers (or is there)? I looked in the Books Forum rules, the most likely place where a "No Spoiler" rule should be placed, yet there isn't any. I can understand why there isn't a rule there, and I hope there won't be. But because no law was passed and no guidelines has been established on this matter, why is it an issue?
 
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CreateBlog now has spoiler tag option when posting. Please use it to ensure that any spoilers remain hidden. To use the spoiler tags use the following code:
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To read spoiler text, just highlight the text to read it. Don't ruin it for others!
This rule will be retroactively enforced, specifically if it has been previously requested not to post or show any type of spoiler.

Spoilers can be defined as: Anything that divulges information intended to be a surprise, such as a plot twist in a movie or a book.

Spoilers CAN NOT be used in signatures or icons. Spoilers CAN NOT be discussed WITHOUT the use of spoiler tags. Even if you put "SPOILER" in the topic title, you must use the spoiler tags in the post. IF you choose to post a spoiler without a spoiler warning in the topic title (DO NOT post a spoiler in the title, or in a sequence of titles to make out the spoiler when a Forum Board is read)without the use of tags, you will find yourself with an invisible post and a verbal warning. Repeated use of spoilers without following these rules will result in additional warnings, including a moderator preview with possible suspension. Repeat violations of the spoiler rule will lead to more serious consequences, including a possible ban.

Take a few extra seconds to use spoiler tags if you think that it's even a slight chance of being a spoiler.


This is the spoiler rule we have the Community Guidelines in Announcements. I agree that if it should be placed in Books as well.
 
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And I saw that Kryo's spoilers were highlighted.
 
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Yeah, a mod went in and placed those after they were posted.
 
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:43 PM
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And I've seen a lot of people not using the "thumbnail" tag before and mods thumbnailed for them. Were these people ever warned or punished?

Edit--Obviously I haven't been in the community forums rules since my modding days. A mistake on my part, sorry ladies.
 
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QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Jul 23 2007, 11:43 PM) *
And I've seen a lot of people not using the "thumbnail" tag before and mods thumbnailed for them. Were these people ever warned or punished?

Edit--Obviously I haven't been in the community forums rules since my modding days. A mistake on my part, sorry ladies.


I think that spoilers are often more controversial than images that aren't thumbed. ^_^" Not just for Harry Potter, but for any novel, movie, anime, etc.
 
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post Jul 24 2007, 12:22 AM
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Spoilers aren't a problem for me~ If someone can get offended over spoilers, I can get offended over someone stretching the forum. I think some people made a point to *yell* at people who stretch forum before (I'm not one of them, but I've seen mods and member complain alike). Also, if it's not big of an issue, why have a thumbnails as a rule anyway.

I understand what you're saying, but where I'm coming from is still that "it's a matter of opinion".

Ah well.. good night.
 
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QUOTE(brownsugar @ Jul 24 2007, 12:35 AM) *
Who is a bunch? If you've noticed, there are very few people who give actual criticism about the community. If I removed you, there would be very, very few.

Sure, I'm not perfect--I'm sure people have their complaints. But there are other people who don't. Can't please everyone.


As I said, I will not reveal who these people are out of respect for their desire not to be targeted by the staff. You guys do your best to intimidate people to avoid being criticized.

Let's keep the discussion on topic, let's not forget that I didn't actually post spoilers. Sure you can't please everyone, but I thought you were talking about judgment and not trying to pander to what the community wants. What's the criteria for something to be controversial enough to close it?

Mods should use their judgment. I don't know whether you used judgment or said "well lookie here people are complaining." That's irrelevant. Either way, what you did was wrong (already been established).

How do you justify not having to own up to your mistakes? Answer this.
 

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