100 years ago, homosexual marriages were totally unacceptable
^ but in homosexuality was accepted. it was even encouraged in the ancient greek's time.

One instance, several thousand years ago of which even the most important details are foggy...

im sure we will draw the line with humans

every one is equal, despite gender. At least that is how its supposed to be.

QUOTE(Vozedale @ May 30 2005, 5:45 PM)

Same sex marriages?
All marriages are same sex marriages. It is the same every time.

Lol..

And CrackedRearView, I'd say that society has hardly warmed up to gay marriages if this is still an issue..

<3 Francesca

I openly support Gay Marriage. I hate when people say rude things about people who want to marry someone of the same sex. The government does NOT need to get involved in people's feelings for another human.

QUOTE(b0st0ngrl @ May 31 2005, 9:52 PM)

I openly support Gay Marriage. I hate when people say rude things about people who want to marry someone of the same sex. The government does NOT need to get involved in people's feelings for another human.

THANK YOU!

I mean, people can not support homosexuality all they want {Even though I still support it.}, but it's no one else's business who wants to marry whom. Why do people feel as if someone else's marriage effects their lives?

"Because we don't want our children to see two gay people holding hands and walking down the street."

Get over it. I'm sure your child will see worse things in his/her lifetime.

And I do hope that no one says that allowing gay marriage is an excuse for guy friends to get married for the insurance benefits or whatnot. Because a man and a woman can do the exact same thing.

And besides, when did money become more important than a person's rights?

<3 Francesca

I oppose. obviously its just wrong..

debate forum

support yourself.

Actually... as a Christian, you should probably believe the bible was written by God.

Secondly:

“Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled....” - Hebrew 13:4

God's pretty clear what it means to undefile the bed.

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” - Romans 1:26

Why would someone want to marry an animal? I don't know. Why would a woman love a woman? Maybe she loves her.

Welcome back.

Spanks you, kryo. For a limited time... until my procrastination ends.

i'm not gay, but i support it

ANYTHING in religion quoted about gay marriage, in my opinion, i think is ignorant because for 1] not everyone shares the same religion and 2] not all marriage rituals are the same.

not everybody believes in God so there's no point in saying God this God that. that's like forcing another to believe in your beliefs. i recently read this on another forum:

".. also help them with their sickness, thats exactly what it is, is a disease. They aren't born like that, its a lifestyle that they have chosen.... yeah.. "

that was said by some girl who i know is dedicated to her religion[christianity]. to which i replied:

"i'm not trying to be an a**hole, i probably am being one, but that's one of the most ignorant thing's i've ever heard in my life. i'm straight, but still, i know people that are gay and it's common sense that being a homosexual obviously isn't something they choose. u can ask any of them"



why intervene in something that has absolutely nothing to do with you? you can't accept reality if you're stuck in your own little world.

Prejudice homophobe: mysogynistic chauvinist: racist bigot: ignoarant jackass.

If you are one, you're most likely the other. Open your minds and put the politics aside.

Yes, I support it.

::I'd like someone to challenge me on this issue, the debate forum needs a spark::

That was my thought I mean isn't this a free country people should have the right to marry who they want regardless of gender,race etc. You love who you love

I finally found my papers that I wrote last year on this subject, we were forced to write a pro and con paper.

CON:
1. Popular Opinion
A. US citizens
- the definiton of marriage shoudln't be redefined for a small minority of people
- 70-80 percent of the US doesn't support gay marriage
B. Social Acceptance
- just because homosexual couples are allowed to marry that doesn't mean the rest of the country will be open to homosexuality.
- legalizing gay marriage will upset a lot of people.
II. Constitutional/Legal reasons
A. Constitutional Amendment
- George Bush supports a constitutional amendment for banning gay marriage.
- a constitutional amendment can't be unconstitutional
B. DOMA (defense of marriage act)
- passed by Clinton in 96
- under DOMA full faith and credit clause does not apply to gay marriages
- defines marriage as the union of a man and a woman
III. Social Issues
A. Families are important to society
- gay couples can't start their own famlies
B. Gay Parents
- children must learn to live in a society with two sexes
IV. Civil Unions
A. Same legal rights as marrie couples
- adoption, divorce, child custody
B. Bush supports civil unions
- wants to give gays equal rights but not with marriage

PRO:
I. Religion
A. God opposes Homosexuality
- The bible is interpreted in different ways, depending on who reads it.
B. Establishment Clause
- Congress cannot establish a national religion
- not eveyone believes in god or reads the bible, not everyone has the same religion.
II. Mariage is for having children
A. Not all heterosexual married couples have children
- if er denied people the right ot marry based on procreation, a lot of other people would also be denied the right to marry.
B. Gay couples can adopt children
- gay parents will not always raise gay children, just as straight parents don't always raise straight children.
III. Homosexuality linked to Genteics
A. 1993 - National Cancer Institute
- study foudn that there may be a gene that controls homosexuality.
B. Sexual orientation cannot be changed
- success rates of "converstions" are between 0 and .1 percent
IV. Majority of the US doesn't support gay marriage
A. Legalizing gay marriage
- it will only affect gay coules, and no one else
V. Banning same sex marriage is unconstitutiona
A. The Constitution
- there is no where in the Constitution that says gay marriage is illegal.
B. Equal protection under the 14th amendment
1. Romer v. Evans
- second amendment of colorado's state constitution didn't give euqal protection to gays under the law.
2. Lawrence and Garner v. Texas
- Texas statute was unconstitutional, violated privacy and didn't give equal protection to gays under the law.
3. Civil rights issue, not just marriage
4. DOMA unconstitutional
- violates supremacy clause (all laws set forth in the constitution superceede any other laws, since the DOMA says that the full faith and credit clause doesn't apply to gay marriage, that violates the supremacy clause)

oh and btw i posted this already but i'm pro gay marriage

All teh way its not me so why should I care?

Can anyone give an actual, solid reason as to why gay marraiges should not be allowed besides the Bible being against it?..

I guess... tradition? culture? or moral mindset?

well, there is the fact that marriages get a tax break, because the US government want to promote a certain type of lifestyle, being one of a dad, a mom, and kids.

to which i reply, does this mean you shouldn't be married if you don't ahve kids?

Culture? I see more and more gay people in our culture every day.

Tradition? Can't anything ever change? Don't we want our country to grow to be more open-minded, get some variety? I don't know about you, but having the same things happen throughout my lifetime with nothing ever being different is kind of boring..

Moral mindset? But everyone's is different. Why is one controlling all?

*agrees with sammi*

tradition... just because something is traditional doesnt mean it is right... i mean, it used to be traditional for old widows to bedragged frm their homes and burned alive as witches, just for knowing th difference between thyme na drosemary

and many people's morality is defined by their religion... ergo, state marriages, not religious ones



all MEN are created equal, not all organisims...

Just because something has the potential to allow something else to happen does not mean it will happen. Just because gay marriages allowed does not mean that interspecies marraiges will be allowed.

With that mindset, do you think interracial marriages shouldn't have been allowed? Cause it was the same issue. Blacks were considered not as high up as whites and couldn't get married to them. Interracial marriages were not allowed. When they were, there were many people who disagree. If you're against gay marriages, you should be against that too, since it's basically the same issue. They didn't want change and they didn't want blacks to be considered as their equals.

Are gay people not your equals?

interracial marriages are still illegal.

sweet home alabama.

look at the list I posted on the last page... I managed to find some reasonable con arguments against gay marriage, besides religion
I had to write a paper about gay marriage last year and we had to write a pro and con side, so I was kinda forced to find a real reason against same sex marriages

all of those are because of the public's intolerance.
you didnt give any other reason than that the government says its wrong, and the public thinks its wrong. well, if the government allowed gay marriage, eventually the public would come around.