I support gay marriage and I'm wondering what all your opinions are.

I live in MA and they just legalized it so isall good. xP

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We should abolish marriage altogether...

Marriage is a religious thing, not a civil one.

It's alright!

It's always good to let your opinion be known.

first of all, religion and state are seprate.. duh bush! if public schools are not allowed to pray or recognize a religion why in the hell is bush using christianity as an argument for gay marriage?? thats ridiculous! second, turn on any reality show like the bachlor or the bachlorette stuff like this is what "ruins" marraige, not two people getting married out of love and respect for each other!!! bush is an idiot... don't get me started :)

My only opinion on this topic is:
Whatever floats your boat.

I don't know how else to say it.
Just let people do what they want.
If marrying the same sex is what they really want and what makes them happy, Just let them do it.

if everyone had that additude capital murder would be legal!

Okay, so I take you're pro gay marriages, fine. But lets leave the Bush bashing in the "does bush sucks" topic. People will argue with you more there.



I never liked reality TV shows, they are not as the name implies because there's nothing real about it; it's all an act for fame. What does reality shows have to do with gay marriage? I'm sure some gays enjoy watching it too.

Gay people should not be discriminated, because most (I say most because some people are just soooo faking it to get attention) do not have a choice in their sexual preference, however, legalizing is really a drastic step and all sides must be considered.

I meant within reason.
Something like marrying the same sex is within reason.

//edit
I didn't mean ridiculous.
I support gay marriages.
I just happened to be sort of mad right now and wrote the wrong thing.
My apologies.

? as ridiculous? im sorry what?

That's what I said on the last one o.O

let me clarify what i was trying to say. people get married and divorced everyday. reailty shows such as that are the ones "ruining" mairiage or what marraige stands for a "sacred promise between a man and a woman" not letting two people who love each other get married is stupid who cares if they are the same sex? thats like having a law against a black person and a white person getting married... stupid isn't it?


sorry... but it's kinda a free country....


sorry your having a bad day... me to my mom hasn't gotten a job in five months because of bush not signing this one thing... and its sucky.... texas is not a good place to be right now.

How are the shows ruining marriages? Are you saying that once my straight neighbors watch it, they'll get a divorce?

Okay, you're saying that we should let people who love each other get married or else we would be stupid?

How about this (for those of you who have read this before, just bear with me):

In your point of view, if two people love each other soooo much, they should be able to get married? How about if someone is in love with his/her sister/brother, father/mother, uncle/aunt? I'm talking about incest.

If you agree that regulating marriages is stupid, then are you for incest marriages as well?

Before anyone crack any joke about me being into that stuff, please don't. It's a serious matter that I'm using for an example of this 'anti government' regulation of marriages deal.

first of all your not getting my point at all! reality shows like that our ruining the name of marriage cause the really marry for money, then get divorced... and if that issue ever comes up... well i guess if people feel that strongly in love with their brother or mother or whatever. i guess you should marry who you love, it is a good point. but if you think about it... we are all related some how any way...

I am getting your point perfectly, but I was trying to ask you how realistic is it that 'reality shows are ruining marriages'. It gives marriages a bad name for sure (that's why I don't like them), but things on TV do not necessarily reflect things in real life.

And it's not ruining anything that's not already happening. As in, people marry for money and divorce everyday, it's nothing new. The public only watches those things for drama, that's all. Nothing new.

You're the first to agree to incest marriage so far (as I've made this arguement a while ago and some were adamently against it). I applaud you for it.

Incest isn't just between people who are related, it is between people who are immediate relatives. If you're for it, then I really have nothing else to say... hehe.

I'm just making a point that if the government do not set regulations on marriages, there will be people, albeit a few, who will want to marry their immediate relatives.

Rules and regulations are there for a reason.

Rules and regulations are there for a reason.

some may argue to be broken.

this is the land of the free. we should be free to love whomever we want.

my arguement about reality tv shows is based on bushs arguement that gay marriage abolishes the eh... whatever "name of marraige" or "sacred blahbidyblahblah" (sorry im sleepy) you have heard it im sure. im restating that IF, people marry for such stuff and that DOESN'T "blasphimy marriage" but IF two people actually LOVE EACH OTHER it does "blasphimy marriage"

sex could be compared to race. no body is telling mexicans to not marry blacks??? so why are we making a huge deal of a man wanting to marry a man? its their life? why should we tell them what to do? why is it our business? they live with each other anyway! so what if they have a peice of paper with their names on it? and a couple of rights for each other such as making medical descisions?

Rules may be broken on the basis that it is a bad rule.

It may be the land of the free, but if your freedom tramples on mine, then there would be a problem. For example, you cannot yell 'high jack' on an airplane then giggle and arm yourself with freedom of speech without getting in trouble.

I agree that people should be able to love whomever they want, I have no qualms with that. However, to legalize marriage between man and man or woman to woman is matter that affects society as a whole.

Loving is their own business, but when marriage is in question, there are already laws about it, laws that everyone must abide. Legalizing their marriage is a societal problem, not a personal one.

bleh. okay, how can two people married effect your rights as an american citizien? thay aren't going to start knocking on your door (like some RELIGIOUS groups)

the fact that only man can marry woman is only based on a christian way of thinking in the government, which (bleh) brings me back to church and state being seprate. stuff effects society as a whole every generation.

let me start my arguement about races... again. there was a time when people disagreed that a black man could marry a white woman... or for that fact they should even be in the same buildings together... are you agianst differnt races getting married? or are you just against homosexuality.

the simple "man" seems almost threatined just like in the days of slavery and equal rights for women, we seemed to be threatened by stuff that goes against the "common mans" religion or belief system that has even killed people for such closed minded veiws.

It certainly would affect society as a whole.

Marriage will lead to children. They would have the ability to adopt children and those children will not have a choice in who adopts them. Adoptive children often do not have a choice in choosing their parents, especially infants.

Those children will grow up with in a household that's not like the norm. They will be estranged, to some extent, by others but they are innocent because their rights to live a normal life was taken away by others.



Not ONLY is it based on Christian ways of thinking, but also for many other people as well. I'm NOT a Christian, but this situation is rather upsetting for Christians and non-Christians alike. Religion has little to do with it, in my opinion.



I think now it is you who are not getting my point. Let me make everything clear, I do not have a problem with gay people, but I have a problem with legalizing their marriages. I certainly do not have a problem with interracial marriages because I plan on doing that myself.

How does interracial relationships fit into this? A person can be against one topic and support another.



But homosexuals wouldn't be considered very common, let alone be called as a 'common man'. If they should belong in that category, then there wouldn't be this controversy in the first place.

How is disagreeing to gay marriage being close minded? What if I asked you to believe in something you cannot even imagine? Can I call you close-minded then?

what ever floats your boat? That attitude has gotten America's crime where it is today. We could let alot of people do what they want and have alot of dead abused people on our hands.

You can tell I'm against gay marriages. One because of my religion. 2. because if we let this pass it will open a gateway to other problems. Like in some states it is against the law to marry your sibling. Since under the whatever floats your boat and if they love that person, they should be able to marry them. Also it would bring up age differences in marriage such as a 14 marrying a 25+ yearold. Then we come to the issue who is to say what is wrong or right and the government shouldn't be in my life so much

Weeee. No worries. I'll let this one slide.

There's only like...3 pages of debate topics. Shouldn't be too hard to turn up one of the older debates.

Only thing worse then an endless debate(the old one) is one that keeps getting reposted.

Because it would offend many Christians and not get him re-elected.

Anyway, they should be able to do what they want. They're people too. Treat them like people who have the same rights as others, and then they will be accepted socially too.

marraige between family members does not mean they will have sex for children. interfamily marraige should be legal, but their having sex is kind of messed up, because they are putting a potential child at physical risk, so that should be illegal. right now its the other way around legally.


They wouldn't be estranged by me, or any other open-minded people, any more than any ethnic groups are estranged. And the blame for that is not on the gay parents, but rather on the estrangees, who judge everyone for being differant.


in all states it is against the law. but it shouldn't be. also, marrying a minor will never be legal, as minors aren't considered self-supported enough to make their own decisions. also, please dont call gay marraige and other marrages problems. they are more like 'sins'. as in, a figment of your imagination.

But I'm not trying to condone incest marriages, I'm trying to explain to those who says government should not regulate how people should "love", that if gays can marry, then other groups should be able to as well. What if they know the consequences of having a child, therefore they do not have one at all, they only want to make their love legal, the same way that gays want.



Nor would the children be estranged by me. However, do you think that this world is full of people as open minded as yourself? Children will be children, and many children are cruel, I would know. It needn't be an adult who'll estrange children of gay marriages, it could be their own peers that will taunt them or isolate them for something out of their control.

I believe they should be legal in those circumstances.



Children are taunted for having fat parents; That doesn't mean we should make fat marriage illegal. Although...

And I believe that should never be legal..... *shudders*.



Firstly... HAHA

But those children are born to those parents biologically, but in the case with gay marriages, these children are adopted and they live in a not so normal household and they don't have much of a choice even though these 'parents' are not related to them in any way.

I only pity that they must go through a 'not so normal' life style for being innocently adopted. However, if/when gay marriage is legalized, I think it'll takes years for people to get used to the idea, but I suppose decades from now, things like this wouldn't be so abnormal anymore.

for the first part, I think it is gross too. but that is insignificant.

for the second, if gay marriage isn't legalized, there will never be such acceptance, and the only way for gays to have children would be to marry someone they don't love, this is common nowadays. everyone should be allowed to have children.

I'm glad we could agree there... *whew*.



If one is truly gay, I don't think he/she could marry someone of the opposite sex, he/she would be against it for the most part.

I won't lie, the main reason I'm against this whole thing is that I cannot envision man and man/woman and woman, walking down the marriage ailse. There's something in me that thinks 'it's just not right'. I guess I am pretty close minded when it comes to things that are so radical in my opinion.

thats fair. good debate!

I don't think that gay marriages should be legalized at all... think about it....if a woman and a woman or a man and a man were meant to be together, they would fit better together. OUr bodies are the way they are for a reason....jus tmy thouhgts anyways

glad you think so

I think I might get flamed though for saying it that way. oh well

but see you are veiwing this as what you see "normal" as being!!! children are raised in acohlic families, in abusive families, in terrible families!! how can two people who will love a child and teach them tolerance a bad house to grow up in? how can having to loving parents teach a child peace and equality a bad thing for america???

How can you be certain that these parents will teach these children that?

Who's to say that gays never get drunk? Who's to say that gays never get violent?

haha now your comparing them to regular people? dear lord! i

m saying gay people just want equality, they have to suffer more for that kind of crap so why would they be a bad parent? im sure there might be a bad gay parent, but the worst they could do is teach equality and love their children. whats so wrong with that? then one day maybe these lessons can teach us to hate people for who they are unstead of how they look and if they are "gay"

Erm, they want equality right? So what's they problem if I'm equaly comparing them to normal people?

Back then women cannot be compared to men, women had to prove their worth in society to be accepted as 'equals', but even now the still face inequality in the job scene.

If gay people wants equality, they better fight for it. They must prove their worth to this society as women and other minorities had before them.

Who said this was going to be easy? Pfft.

Feh, so you're saying that you're sure gay parents will not abuse their children, nor will they get drunk and violent. Are you also saying that they're better than normal parents? Do you have proof of this? Do you actually live in all their homes and see for yourself how they treat their children?

first of all its called sarcasm secoundly anyone in their right mind wouldn't go through all the adoption crap and the resentment for being gay just to hate the child they adopted.... unless they were idiots.

so your saying that they have to PROVE that they are worth being treated equally thats ludacris!! no one should have to PROVE to be treated equally thats the exact additude most americans have. they should be treated equally, not have to fight for their right to be treated equally this is america not some middle eastern country who believes in beating women and treating only certain people properly.

and why shouldn't it be easy? the fact that america isn't going to let this be "easy" is so disturbing, why should we fight as a united country that stands for freedom for the same crap that most people have been fighting for since this country was founded? are we not moving forward? just still in our close minded views on whats "right" only according to some people.

and what was that post of comparing me to someone as close minded? i didn't quite understand what you were saying.

I'm sorry, I'm kind of slow on the sarcasm bit. I have to work on mine.

You would be surprised at what people would go through to adopt, and then to throw all that hard work away. No one's perfect. Are you saying that gays are so perfect that they won't ever turn a bad hand in raising their children?



SO you're saying that everything in the world should come easily. Why, we could just sit in one place and world peace will automatically work itself out? Martin Luther King didn't have to do all those speeches and neither did Susan B. Anthony, they just wasted their time because the whole world's so open minded.

Personally, because of the fact that I, and so many others, are closed minded about gay marriages, it's up to them to prove us wrong. That's what I meant by proving their worth. Others have trodden on the same path to find freedom, why are gays be so special that we must hand everything to them on a silver platter?




While you find my opinions disturbing, I find that legalizing gay marriages is disturbing.

If this country was purely about freedom, then we wouldn't need a government. We would all be anarchists. I'm almost positive that the founding fathers would never have thought that this generation would take the word "freedom" to a whole new level.




I believe I called myself close minded just a couple of posts ago. Do excuse me for not understanding what you're talking about.

no no no. im not saying that at all. gays shouldn't be "handed the silver platter" because they are gay im saying that all of this stuff, womens rights, black ineqaulity, everything should have been repected enough within our own people instead of going through the same thing that is dividing this country. we should learn from our mistakes instead of just go through the same thing every generation!! its aweful that we haven't learned to execpt each other though we have been learning the same lesson. though our country was based on us being ridiculed and moked because we were differnt... and so on.

and i know not all gay people are kind compassionate parents. but why tell a parentless child that they may never have a chance of adoption and they will eventually land on the streets then just letting them have a family who loves them who provides for them.

there is no issue on children. since when has bush been concerened with children? since when has anyone lately its only because people don't want other people to be happy... or at least that's what i am seeing.

children have gay parents in america already, what if a woman decided to have a child with a man who was her friend and she was a lesbian? and she had discussed with the man that she would be raising the child with her partner and he agreed. what is america going to take that baby away from his or her mother???

But since when are human so receptive in 'not making the same mistake twice'? If everyone were to agree to that, then we wouldn't be having this conversation .

By saying that we should just legalize it without qualm is basically "handing them everything on a silver platter" (forks and knives too). If things were that easy, then all sorts of groups would want to legalize their union: incest, 40 yr old adults and 10 year old kids, teachers and students... etc.



But it depends on whether or not that child have the mentality or will that it takes to live with parents who are not so normal. Some children may not mind at first, but what do children know about cruelty until they face it themselves? An older child may decide that he/she can live with these parents, but how can an infant let that be known? We would subject a child to a life of taunts and isolation by his/her own peers.



Even if Bush is not concerned with children doesn't mean that society has forsaken them. So you're saying that people like me do not want to see others happy? What about yourself? Do you not want these children to be happy? How do you know they can stand up to it?



True, I'm in a work environment where I'm aware of the fact that gay couples have children in their custody. We wouldn't have a right to take away that baby, but if you care so much about someone's happiness, why do you not consider that happiness of this child? What if the child wanted to live in a normal household, with his/her biological father?

of course your deffinition of normal must be right? you can't use that arguement because not child is asked to be born into an abuse family, into no family, into slavery, into a rich family, into a poor family, into a family where the father has died. see? its not like where are putting children into the holocaust! no one is asked to be born in certain situations. or to have a family that is a little quirky.

So just because 'no one is asked to be born in certain situations' means that we have no right to interfere with their lives? What if we can prevent them from having to go through that suffering? I certainly would want to prevent it before it happens.

Normal doesn't necessarily means right either. After all, I don't think Galileo was considered to be 'normal' in his era. But like I've told Machinoman before, I can't help but to find a man and man/woman and woman walking down the marriage ailse disturbing, and I'm positive that I'm not alone in feeling that way. Legalizing gay marriage may not be so abnormal for me years from now, but presently, this is just how I, and many others feel.

Edit:: Nice chatting with you, but I have to sleep. Goodnight.

why isn' t anyone interfering with everyone else lives to make them normal then? because everyone is threatened by this "new" (which dates back to the romans long long ago) homosexual lifestyle.

we are threatened by what isn't safe by what isn't "normal"

im sorry you feel that way :) maybe one day you will feel differntly maybe you won't. but its not up to us to decide who should be happy and who shouldn't that's dictatorship and that isn't america :)

ditto, nice debating see you soon :) (zzzzzzzz)

If you mean for children, we already are trying do it. We have social services come to pick up an abused child.

I can understand that homosexuality isn't anything new, but legalizing their union is very new. And anything that's new, and shocking will need to have some time for people adjusting to it. Though, I don't think the majority of the population will 'get over it' so quickly.



Each and everyone of us has a right to be hesitant about anything out of the ordinary, that's how humans have been surviving since the begining. We do not embrace every new concept with open arms.



Maybe. America would still be a long way off of being a dictatorship, even if she denies gay marriage.



Good morning....

Take that whole "non-whites are just as equal" shtick. Some people still have a hard time with that, and its been like...a while. *mumble* stupid redneck imbreds.

Denying gay marriage is a waste of time. There's no real harm in it, and it only serves to show how backwards America really is.

We feign understaning, "freedom", and open-mindedness. Truth is alot of other countries have gotten over the whole race/gay thing, and we're just lagging behind. My guess, too many redneck conservatives in power.

I'm not a red neck nor am I Christian, but I can't stand seeing straight people making out in front of me (I would consider it obnoxiously rude), let alone man and man/woman and woman smooching.

Anyway, I'll come back to this later... must work.

Psssh, college kids and their "work". Thank god I have another year before those horrid times.

i cant believe that this topic is even being debated on or y it should be even question if gays, lesbians should be able 2 marry. y do we continue 2 discriminate gays and lesbians by not letting them marry. i cant believe that ppl have a stick in the ass just cause of the meaning of the word, marry. they say its a union between a man and a women, y not change it 2 a union between 2 ppl who share a common bond. i mean, come on now. gahhh ppl can be so ignorant.

just let them marry

Seriously, this day and age; you'd think stupid things like this wouldn't even be an issue.