The CB Revolution, it has begun Options

[Rachel]

I support this. Why?

Because I find that members do need a voice in this kind of stuff. The mods can't tell them what is right or wrong in THEIR perspective. Members need to give suggestions too.

I don't see why this is such a big issue to the most of the mods.

I completley agree with you. I mean sure, mods should have somewhat more of a say, but really the members need to be involved. The members are what keep cB alive and ahead of blogring. I truly think that if we want to get a better community, we need to listen and be open to other suggestions made by worthy members.

I also think that some mods need to not get soo defensive.
Justin is not blaming you at all. He just wants you to let the community in on some decisions

PS-JUSTIN, QUIT AND I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN AND BRING YOU BACK!

[racoons > you]

did NOT make a hitler comparison lol, so you cant use that against me

also..i've made a total of 2 posts on this matter...i was aware of it long before now and just didnt care to say any thing, but hen i felt somewhat offended by the posts some people were making which lead me to get involved. I could care less if it were up to the people who chose the new staff this time or the general public. I'm not being defensive. I thought what you said was funny because i know that there are alot of people who do just follow he crowd to even greater and more ignorant heights you may think might only happen in movies or the midevil times.

you implied the hitler comparison, so i adresed it before anyone could pick up on it

and it was a generic 'you', not specific to you psonally. i apologize.

and as for the whole 'following the crowd thing', the only way to find that out is to test it

why do the mods hold the members in such low regard that they assume that we will do a cattle impression when given the chance to express our opinions

[Ington]

I stand with James. The flag of revolution is abroad.

[JlIaTMK]

Aw, thank you Rachel <3.

[*mona lisa*]

I.....don't believe this.

[racoons > you]

what, that people disagree?

shocking, isnt it

[*mona lisa*]

No. The whole voting for mods idea. It would exactly be a popularity contest. As someone had pointed out, most people will vote for the people they know so that they won't feel bad about not voting for their friends. And frankly, many people do see this as a popularity contest. However, the choices for the new mods prefectly show that it is not. And the a few or several of the applicants that didn't make it are "popular" and are complaining about the choices and wondering why they were not modded. I, personally, cannot understand why one person was not modded because I haven't seen them do anything wrong (until the new mods were posted). I had no participation in the selection process so I wouldn't know, but I have been noting the behavior and personalities of a few applicants. They are quiet (and excited) about cB hiring, but afterwards, they start complaining that they didn't become mods. It pisses me off. Well, you know, you must've done something wrong that the supermods and admins thought you aren't mod material. You're not as "high" or superior as you thought.

That was just me rambling, and note that "you" is not directed towards anyone specific.

[mirage]

I think we need to find a middle ground between all this so at least the mods will try and listen. We could vote, i like that idea, give that right to all the members who dedicated their time to this community. If we have to compromise, we could vote, and then the admins could look over the winning candidates and see if the voting is on popularity or for the sake of cB. If the admins really don't want certain members there to become a mod, then they could take them out and kindly give the community an explanation. So the community will vote, the mods will look over the winning candidates, then they will decide yes or no. This gives power to the both sides... right?

[sammi rules you]

justin, you know i don't hate you. it's just - the mods are the leaders of this community, just like in any community there's leaders. there's a school board and administration at your school, and as a student, do you get much say in what goes on? no, that's why you're not a leader. the leaders of THIS community have already not agreed with your idea multiple times. it's time to come up with a compromise or just quit that idea and try bringing it up later. we understand you wanna stand up for what you think, but you have; now is the time to stop. you gave your say already and we took it into consideration and discussed it and we don't think it's the best idea right now. you have to deal with that.

you know, we have a suggestions thread and a complaints thread. if we don't agree with one of the suggestions, that's too bad. we were open to the suggestion and discussed it, and decided against it. oh well.

justin, don't quit, i love you, just not your idea.

[racoons > you]

im sorry, but as far as i can see, the mods have listed reasons why we should have our ideas rejected, and we are responding to them.

the discussion isnt over, sammi. thats what happens when people stop talking, not in the middle of the issue

[Ington]

It would exactly be a popularity contest.

However, wouldn't it still be better than now? Now its a popularity contest between only a couple of people. If we voted, it would be between all of CB. Now, if someone is popular with all of CB, they should definitely be a mod. Obviously, they're doing something right. Its more foundational to be popular with thousands of people than with only a couple.

[sadolakced acid]

i not going to quit. at least, not outright... i'd still drop in and check out the interests forum every now and then...

I'm not for voting for mods. that's not effective. I am for members having a way to expess, through a poll or otherwise, who they thing should be mod, and this member imput should factor somewhat inot the decision for mods.

i know the whole each forum having a mod thing wasn't well recieved by mods. but we have yet to see if it's well recieved by the members. Sure, it affects mods, but shouldn't mods serve CB and members?


CB is run quite like a school system now. Students usually hate school boards and thier decisions. but members are not, like students, required to come to CB. they can quit anytime they like.


a suggestions thread is not enough. you cannot reply to a particular reply in a thread. there can only be one, or two , topics of discussion at a time in one thread. that's why i say a dedicated forum for suggestions.

for example; right now, the federal government can shut down CB. why? it allows children under the age of 13 to provide information. how can CB avoid this? by adding a checkbox that says 'i am over 13'. that every member 'tells' CB that they're over 13 and the law doesn't apply to them. this was brought up by a user, but then lost. still, in the CB registration form there isn't such a box.

and, regarding the change, then change back: that was rather ineffective. to change CB only to have to change it back? if i were in charge of CB, i wouldn't want to do that.


and remember, all these goals are independent

one does not necesitate the others.

[sammi rules you]

im sorry, but as far as i can see, the mods have listed reasons why we should have our ideas rejected, and we are responding to them.

the discussion isnt over, sammi. thats what happens when people stop talking, not in the middle of the issue

well, the discussion between the people who make the decisions is over. but you wouldn't know that, considering you can't see our discussion. can you?

justin..even if the members agree...your idea is affects US. the members don't have to moderate. if we like the way we're moderating now better than your idea, why can't you drop it?

[racoons > you]

no sammi, of course i cant

i believe and trust implicitly everything which comes from the mouths of the mods.

[sadolakced acid]

well, the discussion between the people who make the decisions is over. but you wouldn't know that, considering you can't see our discussion. can you?

no, we can't. it's not our fault we can't see backstage.

[sammi rules you]

read my edit.

[racoons > you]

^

*in resposne to edit*

well because we disagree, and think you're wrong

[*tweeak*]

it would competely defy the purpose of having a backstage if you could see it

[sadolakced acid]

exactly.

what is the purpose of a backstage?


to discuss things that will affect the members without member interferance.

congress's deliberations are public.

why can't moderators? let the members see the ideas and arguments, even if we can't post there.

and sammi, why don't i drop it? the same reason i debate. I'm trying to convince people here, not merely suggest something. Sure, i'll drop it. but not now- not yet.

[*Kathleen*]

it would competely defy the purpose of having a backstage if you could see it

And it has already been defied by having members log onto moderator accounts and for moderators bluntly explaining what Backstage is, even though you're prohibited from doing so. Nothing matters anymore apparently.

[*mona lisa*]

and, regarding the change, then change back: that was rather ineffective.  to change CB only to have to change it back?  if i were in charge of CB, i wouldn't want to do that. 

Which change are you talking about?

[*tweeak*]

but were not supporting these explanations or clandestine log ins

[sammi rules you]

well in this case, james, the suggestion doesn't even affect you. at all. it affects us and how we do our jobs. you're not our boss, jusun is. this IS a job. and if you think you can tell us how to do our jobs, you're surely mistaken.

i'm sorry for being harsh to you guys cause you know you're my friends, but i'm really fed up right now with the way things are going. this isn't how it's supposed to be..

[racoons > you]

how does the appointment of mods not effect me, a member of the community where these mods make the decisions? that makes no sense

well, if the way the mods are choosing to run the site is promoting this discontent, then clearly something is wrong. and clearly you need some instruction in how to do your job. because you're RIGHT. this ISNt how its supposed to be. and since sole responsibility for decisions which affect the site lie with the mods, as you say, then it follows logically that they are responsible

[*Kathleen*]

[quote]but were not supporting these explanations or clandestine log ins[/quote]
Oh really?
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I think there shd be a "staff room" where ONLY moderators can see and posts...they can talk about any thing they want, about things they don't want members to know about.


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