The CB Revolution, it has begun Options

[xTINAA]

^It is for the staff members ONLY.

[KissMe2408]

oh dear. again, I told you guys the aftermath was going to be interesting!!! lol, ok...but here i go..

You know, you had some pretty good points there. Like the suggestions forum. And also about the verbal abuse people throw out around here, unfortunately some mods do. And i wrote somethan in my application like that point you made about mods posting and reading the whole section. like maybe one or two mods for the writing forum, debate forum, ect...so cb can always be at its best. The thing is, i'm sure those changes will occur overtime. If you think about it, this is a fairly new site. And the amount of space and ways we are able to impact this site is phenomeonal. As for this whole revolution thing, it will all change in time. No need to rush it.

[starlette]

I like the point you made about mods for every forum. I think thats not a bad idea. that would be a lot of mods tho. not saying the mods arent doing their job, it owuld just make it a lot easier. so yeah :D I'd be one for the picture forum haha.

[*mzkandi*]

I like the point you made about mods for every forum.  I think thats not a bad idea.  that would be a lot of mods tho.  not saying the mods arent doing their job, it owuld just make it a lot easier.  so yeah :D I'd be one for the picture forum haha.

Next time the hire you should try out for a mod postion. I think you would be great..I know its a lil to early to be talking about that but still

anyways cb revolution.....like kissme (Katie) said...change is a gradual thing.

[racoons > you]

*WAVES THE FLAG OF THE REVOLUTION*

WE DESERVE THE VOTE, FOLKS

well, mods control cb. that's why they're mods. no, members don't have much say in what happens to cb. that's why they're members, and not mods. the best people that we think have the best ideas and can help most with cb are chosen as mods. (most of the time ) deal with it. make yourself mod material, and maybe you'll have a say.

exactly, sammi. YOU control it. and if the mods make all the decisions, they are bound to get things WRONG. which is why its time that everyone on the site was given equal say. Several people have clearly exhibited themselves TO BE mod material, at least in their own eyes and the yes of many other members. yet we were not chosen to be staff, and we were not given an explanation.

and frankly, if the mods do control the site, and people aren't happy, then its CLEAR that we need change

Just so you guys now, now there's a Verbal Warnings thread where the mods can post in telling others that certain members have been verbally warned.

but have you addressed the problems of clearly informing the recipientss of the warnings that they have recived said warnings? because that seemed to be an equal problem

As for the "suggestions" forum, a whole forum about suggestions? Okay so members would create numerous threads about many suggestions? Why not just have a thread for it?

because in one thread, it is easy for posts to get overlooked, and when people xpress support for a particular point that has been raised, the mods get in a snit about repeat posting

[misoshiru]

cB has been changing. slowly, so maybe you don't notice certain changes at first. yes, so maybe 30-so mods may not be enough to control that "10k" who contribute, but i feel that cB is doing pretty well the way it is now.

[rememberme]

Changing?

There's so many people. Of course its gonna change

[Where We Are]

Please, popular voting is just not practical in a forum, especially if you let the community vote for their mod.

My God, just read that: The community votes for the mod.

Popular voting works in a country because the candidate isn't a personal firend, as in the voter probably has no private connection w/ the candidate. Thus it is essentially a less bias vote. That's why candidates try to make themselves friendly and strive to become your pseudo-friend through the TV.

A forum is MUCH smaller, with the active users even LESS in numbers. You can't possibly think the sytem will be unbiased, do you?

What if a candidate-mod started underground campaigning? (bribe, bribe, bribe members)

And then think of the non-active members who will either just vote for who they personally like, or who they recognize, or even just pick a candidate out of the blue?

I KNOW some people that would run would not corrupt the system, but some will. The system will be flawed on a forum; it will not work.

The admins choose the mods for a reason. They usually don't have a personal bias towards someone since they never interact with the members. Their vote would be the most unbiased.

You've got to understand, popular voting on a forum will poison the mod system, causing the inevitable COUNTER REVOLUTION by admins to lockdown the chaos caused by a popular vote system. I've seen it happen in other forums (2 of them tried, 2 reverted back to admin pick)


I don't see how you can possibly suggest this method.

Oh and I like how different people with different goals are supporting the same revolution. How French revolutionistic it is.

[starlette]

Please, popular voting is just not practical in a forum, especially if you let the community vote for their mod.

My God, just read that: The community votes for the mod.

Popular voting works in a country because the candidate is impersonalised, as in the voter probably has no private connection w/ the candidate. Thus it is essentially a less bias vote. That's why candidates try to make themselves friendly and strive to become your pseudo-friend through the TV.

A forum is MUCH smaller, with the active users even LESS in numbers. You can't possibly think the sytem will be unbiased, do you?

What if a candidate-mod started underground campaigning? (bribe, bribe, bribe members)

And then think of the non-active members who will either just vote for who they personally like, or who they recognize, or even just pick a candidate out of the blue?

I KNOW some people that would run would not corrupt the system, but some will. The system will be flawed on a forum; it will not work.

The admins choose the mods for a reason. They usually don't have a personal bias towards someone since they never interact with the members. Their vote would be the most unbiased.

You've got to understand, popular voting on a forum will poison the mod system, causing the inevitable COUNTER REVOLUTION by admins to lockdown the chaos caused by a popular vote system. I've seen it happen in other forums (2 of them tried, 2 reverted back to admin pick)
I don't see how you can possibly suggest this method.

[edit] Oh and I like how different people with different goals are supporting the same revolution. How French revolutionistic it is.

wow. Its all...political...

[*mzkandi*]

@ Where We Are

^^i agree but seriously who are you...you just pop up out of the blue at the most random moments...you have another cb name dont you...are you trying protect yourself here...sorry i am the inquistive type...anyway i dont think the whole voting thing wouldnt work... too much bias would be involved and it wouldnt fair

[Where We Are]

I'm a forum hobo. i run around different forums.

I try not to be a troll. I try.

In forum terms, i'm a lurker here at cB. So I am random.


but why does it matter who i am. *shrug*

[*mzkandi*]

well, mods control cb. that's why they're mods. no, members don't have much say in what happens to cb. that's why they're members, and not mods. the best people that we think have the best ideas and can help most with cb are chosen as mods. (most of the time ) deal with it. make yourself mod material, and maybe you'll have a say.

i'm so sick of people.

sammi, see thats where i have to somewhat disagree. mods dont control anything. They act as intermediates. Without dedicated members (pssh without members period) there is no use for mods. There are alot of mod material members on cb that either try out and dont make it for what ever reason or prefer to sit on the sidelines. And members should have a say (and no I am not refering to hiring). I mean how can we call cB a community if members opinions are not valued. Mods are not above anyone on this forum, with comment you made you make it seem as though they are.

[Spirited Away]

but have you addressed the problems of clearly informing the recipientss of the warnings that they have recived said warnings? because that seemed to be an equal problem

Yes, the problem has been addressed. If I reported that so and so was verbally warned, that means I already PMed the person their warning.

Hey guys, though you all are understandably upset, I don't think you all should think about this situation like you would politics. Voting sounds nice and all, but when you go to apply for a job, other employees don't vote for you to get hired, you just get hired by the employer. I'm a little confused.

[*lolita kitty*]

this is nice of you, i think i would do some of those things. but you would also half to talk it up with the mods, dont forget that =]

[xquizit]

Voting sounds nice and all, but when you go to apply for a job, other employees don't vote for you to get hired, you just get hired by the employer.  I'm a little confused.

Precisely. Let's please just stop trying to get political here.

[*mzkandi*]

Voting sounds nice and all, but when you go to apply for a job, other employees don't vote for you to get hired, you just get hired by the employer.  I'm a little confused.

haha...Fae!!! Gosh you worded that perfectly. I am confused as to why anyone would bring that up smart idea..

[racoons > you]

Hey guys, though you all are understandably upset, I don't think you all should think about this situation like you would politics. Voting sounds nice and all, but when you go to apply for a job, other employees don't vote for you to get hired, you just get hired by the employer.  I'm a little confused.

however, the way CB works is much more similar to politics than it is to an ordinary workplace.

the members are the ones who have to interact with the mods, so why should they not have a say in who those people are?

[*mzkandi*]

however, the way CB works is much more similar to politics than it is to an ordinary workplace.

the members are the ones who have to interact with the mods, so why should they not have a say in who those people are?

James...durrr!! Because it would create bias. Just look at the cb hiring thread. "Well I think so and so should be a mod", "Yeah so and so have their shoe-in"....look familiar? What about the lesser known members that equally qualified. Everyone would course lean towards the members they are more close to without bothering giving the lesser members a chance. And what plan do you have in mind when comes to the voting...hmmm...I am just so curious to know. And like Fae. Its a job!! You have this in real life called hiring mangers that decide who they will hire. Sometimes they have alot of qualifed employers and you only hire some at that time. So what does the hiring manager do? They pick who they think are most qualified at the time and tell the other qualified candadites to try again later Same applies at cb. No need to have members vote when there is qualified admin to did it with little to no bias...

ahh...there problem corrected

This post has been edited by mzkandi: Apr 26 2005, 02:14 PM

[racoons > you]

lol.. you mean bias, not basis. ;)

well, firstly, i feel that only members with 1000 posts (or some similar restriction or limit) should have the vote, secondly, if a member wants to apply for staff, how 'little known' can they be? i think getting to know people on cb is a major part of being a mod, thus helping to strengthen the bonds of the community

secondly, as far as actual voting goes, set up a thread, each person gets to select one or two people who they feel deserve to be modded, and the people who recieve the most votes, get the position. or , alternately, to ensure the balot is secret, votes could be pmed to the mods themselves, so as to tally votes.

each mod would keep a list of those people who voteed through them, so as to protect against people trying to vote twice.

as for the 'its a job' argument... well, isnt the presidency or and political position a job too? like it or not, the mods are the closest thing cb has to a government, and as such teh members of cb, [I]which are who the hiring of mods effect [I] deserve a say in who is chosen

wow... i seem to be having this same argument (or a similar one) in two seperate threads... does someone want to pick one?

[*mzkandi*]

AHHH....BIAS...and I am a college student...I should know better!!!!! I will edit....

I still dont like the idea. BIAS...would still come into play. and i will say once again I agree with Fae

[racoons > you]

well... i'll say again that i disagree with fae. =)

how do you think bias will come into play? i mean, yes, there is the aspect that people could run a campaign, bu ti think people are intellingent enough not to just follow a crowd, and if a person mamanges to persaude people to vot efor them, they must be doing something right.

[Heathasm]

well... i'll say again that i disagree with fae. =)

bu ti think people are intellingent enough not to just follow a crowd, and if a person mamanges to persaude people to vot efor them, they must be doing something right.

rofl, i cant believe you just said that
i really dont want to make a comparison to hitler, hahahahhaha
In my opinion, I think you have alot more to learn about people

[JlIaTMK]

I support this. Why?

Because I find that members do need a voice in this kind of stuff. The mods can't tell them what is right or wrong in THEIR perspective. Members need to give suggestions too.

I don't see why this is such a big issue to the most of the mods.

[racoons > you]

rofl, i cant believe you just said that
i really dont want to make a comparison to hitler, hahahahhaha
In my opinion, I think you have alot more to learn about people

in my opinion, you seem very defensive about letting people have an equal say.

im sorry, but there is a difference between being forced to follow a crowdfor the sake of the lives of your family and friends, and following the crowd when you are being encouraged to speak out with your opinions

i believe that any member who has posted enought to reach 1000 posts will have formed their own opinions about potential staff members, and will use their own instincts when voting

[Heathasm]

in my opinion, you seem very defensive about letting people have an equal say.

im sorry, but there is a difference between being forced to follow a crowdfor the sake of the lives of your family and friends, and following the crowd when you are being encouraged to speak out with your opinions

i believe that any member who has posted enought to reach 1000 posts will have formed their own opinions about potential staff members, and will use their own instincts when voting

i did NOT make a hitler comparison lol, so you cant use that against me

also..i've made a total of 2 posts on this matter...i was aware of it long before now and just didnt care to say any thing, but hen i felt somewhat offended by the posts some people were making which lead me to get involved. I could care less if it were up to the people who chose the new staff this time or the general public. I'm not being defensive. I thought what you said was funny because i know that there are alot of people who do just follow he crowd to even greater and more ignorant heights you may think might only happen in movies or the midevil times.