Christopher Columbus, the discoverer of America? Options

[rOckThISshYt]

Again, I still believe it has to do with your definition of "discover." People could argue this point till we all drop dead. It wouldn't matter. What would matter is their opinions of discovery. Your definition of discovery leads to who you think "discovered" America.

[sadolakced acid]

saying he's the discoveror of america gives columbus full credit.

he should only recieve partial credit..

[Spirited Away]

saying he's the discoveror of america gives columbus full credit. 

he should only recieve partial credit..

I said he's the one to bring knowledge of the new world to the civilized nations. So, whether or not that statement means "discovering America" is all perspective.

[rOckThISshYt]

I said he's the one to bring knowledge of the new world to the civilized nations. So, whether or not that statement means "discovering America" is all perspective. 

Now you're using my recent argument that it depends on the person's defintion of "discovery." I should copyright that.

[Spirited Away]

Now you're using my recent argument that it depends on the person's defintion of "discovery." I should copyright that.

Uh.. not really. I basically said that he could take what I said to be Columbus getting full credit or partial credit. It's his perspective. My argument stands, will not change; I haven't used any different argument. I still believe that Columbus found the New World for Europe. If someone wants to take my wording to be that Columbus found America, he/she will do so. It has nothing to do with perspective of the word discovery, but it has everything to do with perspective of my argument.

[rOckThISshYt]

Uh.. not really. I basically said that he could take what I said to be Columbus getting full credit or partial credit. It's his perspective. My argument stands, will not change; I haven't used any different argument. I still believe that Columbus found the New World for Europe. If someone wants to take my wording to be that Columbus found America, he/she will do so. It has nothing to do with perspective of the word discovery, but it has everything to do with perspective of my argument.

Err.. I was most definatly kidding.

But I do believe it has to do with the word discovery because, if you haven't noticed, peolpe have come up with different arguments based on what they think discovery really. They haven't argued on who was the first one to bring America into light of Eurpoe. It's varried based on their opinions of discovery.

[Spirited Away]

Err.. I was most definatly kidding.
But I do believe it has to do with the word discovery because, if you haven't noticed, peolpe have come up with different arguments based on what they think discovery really. They haven't argued on who was the first one to bring America into light of Eurpoe. It's varried based on their opinions of discovery.

I'm sorry. I don't like accusations of any sort about using the works of others, unless I really did the deed.
I was ignored. People tend to ignore my arguments in debate for some reason until I quote, and challenge them. Well, all arguments get ignored. That's why there are so many redundant posts. They could argue on the word discovery all day and it, most certainly, will not change what is fact: discovery can be explained in different ways. There isn't just one set of definitions for the word. Even if there is just one definition, interpretation could go a long way. Why argue about definitions when there are more to think about than simple words that can easily be defined in a dictionary?

Mr. Acid, I think I can compromise from here. Columbus shouldn't have all the credit. Actually, he shouldn't receive credit for finding America, he should just receive credit for what I said he did: bringing the New World into focus (though, to me, that is the same as discovering America). He simply triggered the later explorations.

Happy?

[rOckThISshYt]

I'm sorry. I don't like accusations of any sort about using the works of others, unless I really did the deed. 
I was ignored. People tend to ignore my arguments in debate for some reason until I quote, and challenge them. Well, all arguments get ignored. That's why there are so many redundant posts.  They could argue on the word discovery all day and it, most certainly, will not change what is fact: discovery can be explained in different ways. There isn't just one set of definitions for the word. Even if there is just one definition, interpretation could go a long way. Why argue about definitions when there are more to think about than simple words that can easily be defined in a dictionary?

Mr. Acid, I think I can compromise from here. Columbus shouldn't have all the credit. Actually, he shouldn't receive credit for finding America, he should just receive credit for what I said he did: bringing the New World into focus (though, to me, that is the same as discovering America). He simply triggered the later explorations.

Happy?

There we go... Now we can all give each other hugs!!


Sorry. I let my 8th graderness shine through.

[madchenallein]

Of all these, DaTruKataLYST is the only one who has really bothered to look at history. Everyone keeps saying 'European', but why does 'Europe' have the cachet in the history books? Other societies have contibuted tons to the human experience and they don't get the credit because they don't speak a Romance language? That's bunk.

All you who mentioned Native Americans and the migration over the Bering Strait, props!

The one or possibly two who mentioned the Chinese (or even the Japanese), huge props! They were in western Canada and the Pacific northwest before Leif Ericson was a twinkle in his mama's eye!

Here's another thing to ponder, illustrating the concept of 'why are Europeans all that?'

Gutenberg? A snail. Johannes Gutenberg is lauded as the inventor of a movable type printing press which brought about huge changes in Europe as far as the availability of books and information. Well, I learned this right before moving to Korea: Movable type printing presses existed in Korea before Gutenberg invented his, and before that, China had printing blocks!

So, not everything wonderful comes out of Europe and it pays to ask yourself who is telling you the story you're reading. History is written by the winners, and Koreans and Chinese certainly aren't the monetary benefactors of moveable type.

Huzzah to all those who know their roots

[sadolakced acid]

Of all these, DaTruKataLYST is the only one who has really bothered to look at history.  Everyone keeps saying 'European', but why does 'Europe' have the cachet in the history books?  Other societies have contibuted tons to the human experience and they don't get the credit because they don't speak a Romance language?  That's bunk.

All you who mentioned Native Americans and the migration over the Bering Strait, props!

The one or possibly two who mentioned the Chinese (or even the Japanese), huge props!  They were in western Canada and the Pacific northwest before Leif Ericson was a twinkle in his mama's eye!

Here's another thing to ponder, illustrating the concept of 'why are Europeans all that?'

Gutenberg?  A snail.  Johannes Gutenberg is lauded as the inventor of a movable type printing press which brought about huge changes in Europe as far as the availability of books and information.  Well, I learned this right before moving to Korea: Movable type printing presses existed in Korea before Gutenberg invented his, and before that, China had printing blocks!

So, not everything wonderful comes out of Europe and it pays to ask yourself who is telling you the story you're reading.  History is written by the winners, and Koreans and Chinese certainly aren't the monetary benefactors of moveable type.

Huzzah to all those who know their roots 

stop. this isn't about europeans and thier stuff. it isn't about chinese or koreans. it's about collumbus. if you want to make a topic saying how chinese and koreans are superior to europeans and have facts that can be argued, go right ahead. i won't object to it if you post it in the right place. (meaning, not in this thread)

[madchenallein]

Supporting details. I didn't say asians were superior. I answered the question with my opinion then backed up my opinion, the essential opinion being: modern society rarely gives credit where it is due.

But, just for you, I'll state what I said again, this time more clearly.

1 Native Americans: those people who crossed the Bering Strait and were probably of ASIAN origin first discovered America

2 Chinese or Japanes: visited and did not colonize-proof: artifacts found in the Pacific Northwest.

[sadolakced acid]

look, just post that as a new topic, if you must. but this debate is about collumbus, not about who was in the new world first.

alright?

[Spirited Away]

look, just post that as a new topic, if you must.  but this debate is about collumbus, not about who was in the new world first. 

alright?

yes, that is true.

we're only debating whether or not columbus should be credited for finding America. you guys are welcome to bring up the first people to come to the new world if you mean to say that the first to come to the new world should be credited instead of columbus. or else, what is the point of the history lessons if not to bring us off topic?

[skateforfree]

Chirsterphor columbus never set foot on america he found jamica/ bahamas area


vanguchi * i think * amerigo discovered america but while sailing towards spain *think its spain* all his his name but something like americo was washed off and it looked kinda like america so thats wat they called it

[demolished]

Chirsterphor columbus never set foot on america he found jamica/ bahamas area
                           

vanguchi * i think * amerigo discovered america but while sailing towards spain *think its spain*  all his his name but something like americo was washed off and it looked kinda like america so thats wat they called it

no, he went around to the other side where california is ..

[skateforfree]

by reading your sig i dont trust you

[Spirited Away]

Chirsterphor columbus never set foot on america he found jamica/ bahamas area
vanguchi * i think * amerigo discovered america but while sailing towards spain *think its spain*  all his his name but something like americo was washed off and it looked kinda like america so thats wat they called it

Read the thread? Yea?

[Angel_Cece]

if there were people there... before he went there...how in the world did he find it first? Columbus gets way to much credit.

[Spirited Away]

if there were people there... before he went there...how in the world did he find it first? Columbus gets way to much credit.

... read the thread... read the thread... read the thread... no one is saying that columbus was there first.... read the thread.



< getting more and more frustrated...

[*mona lisa*]

Columbus, of course, was not the first person to live there. He was however, the first person to travel there and "discover" it since most people at that time believed that other lands did not exist. He opened a new path to exploration to a "new" continent and led others to come to the New World. He should be given a little bit of credit. Without him, things would be very different today.

[Spirited Away]

Columbus, of course, was not the first person to live there. He was however, the first person to travel there and "discover" it since most people at that time believed that other lands did not exist. He opened a new path to exploration to a "new" continent and led others to come to the New World. He should be given a little bit of credit. Without him, things would be very different today.

You saved my sanity. Thank you.

[*mona lisa*]

Haha. You're welcome Fae. (I wish I knew your real name too ). It must be annoying to constantly read what people are writing when they don't even know what they are talking about because they didn't the whole thread (neither did I ).