Creation or Evolution?, Which do you believe in? Options

[*digital.fragrance*]

^ yes, finally someone that agree with me!

[*disco infiltrator*]

Well i have good cristian morals but.. an open mind, being as the theory of evolution WAS DISPROVED then i belive in creation by a greater being (GOD) so in all reaLIty we DID NOT evolve from monkeys....
Eh... Religious Slurr thank you very much....

How was evolution disproved?
Who disproved evolution?
When did this happen and why is the entire world not notified of such an event?

NO ONE HAS EVER OR IS SAYING THAT WE EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. NO. NOT EVER. NOT ONCE. WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS. THE WORD HERE IS ALONGSIDE. Please look it up.

And that was not a religious slur at all; no insulting or name-calling occurred, merely a stating of an opinion that Christianity is not needed or good for our world. That's his thoughts. That doesn't mean it's true or untrue. Just what he thinks.

Next time you repeat something that's already been said and refuted/proven wrong, you will recieve a verbal warning. Read the rules of the debate thread and at least get an idea of what's already been discussed and is currently being discussed in the thread.

That goes for the people at the top of the page too.

[innovation]

Yeah, I'm way too lazy to read all 33 pages of this [surely amazing] debate. However, I will say this:

I believe in creationism; however, I do not believe that creationism can be properly disproved or uses enough empirical evidence--therefore, it is not a science. Therefore, I don't believe that creationism (or intelligent design, which is creationism in disguise) should be taught in public school science curriculum.

I generally leave people alone with their personal beliefs on the origins of this world.

[flc]

Well i have good cristian morals but.. an open mind, being as the theory of evolution WAS DISPROVED then i belive in creation by a greater being (GOD) so in all reaLIty we DID NOT evolve from monkeys....

Really, where on Earth did you hear that evolution was disproved?

And I suggest you learn a little more about evolution before saying that we evolved from monkeys..

[marzipan]

i think we were created, but i'm still not sure which one i completely believe in.

[sadolakced acid]

i believe in creavolution.

what is it?

its the theory that god created evolution.

[innovation]

^ Justin, stop posting and start studying for your Calc test tomorrow.

[*disco infiltrator*]

i believe in creavolution.

what is it?

its the theory that god created evolution.

Are you not atheist?

[flc]

i believe in creavolution.

what is it?

its the theory that god created evolution.

Hey, that's not bad. I'm serious.

[imnoxonesmemory]

i don't think i believe in one or the other. there's not enough evidence and since i' m not gonna study all about the world and stuff like that. all i think is that.
well.. i came from my mom & dad. who came from their parents. and so on . but not about how the world was created.
anyone think the same?

[*disco infiltrator*]

...Think the same? What, not thinking?

[*mipadi*]

I have one question regarding evolution/creationism. I believe in evolution, but an interesting point was raised to me the other day in a discussion with a friend of mine. I'm sure there's a good answer for it, but I'm not an expert in evolution, so I don't know what the answer is.

If evolution occurs, why are there many species of one type of organism (such as a butterfly or an oak tree)?

If evolution causes the weakest mutations to be seeded out of a population, shouldn't a region have only a few different species (or even only one) of an organism?

[Terror]

I think it's amazing how many people fell for the lie of Christianity. I think it's absoultely dumb-founding how many lives have been taken "in the name of God". Religion and higher beings were created by ancient man to pin a reason to some of the unexplainable things they saw.
ex, volcano goes off, cavemen gets scared, invents a "volcano god", and worships it.
but yeah, creation all the way.
there is NO proof for creationism.

[*mipadi*]

Incidentally, some scientists now believe that chimps and humans' ancestors may have inbred at some point.

[*disco infiltrator*]

I have one question regarding evolution/creationism. I believe in evolution, but an interesting point was raised to me the other day in a discussion with a friend of mine. I'm sure there's a good answer for it, but I'm not an expert in evolution, so I don't know what the answer is.

If evolution occurs, why are there many species of one type of organism (such as a butterfly or an oak tree)?

If evolution causes the weakest mutations to be seeded out of a population, shouldn't a region have only a few different species (or even only one) of an organism?

Because one butterfly came from a different place than another butterfly and adapted to those specified conditions, though they are both butterflies.

That's why people are so different. All of the people from a certain place are different than the people from another place. But, we're all still people.

[*mipadi*]

Because one butterfly came from a different place than another butterfly and adapted to those specified conditions, though they are both butterflies.

That's why people are so different. All of the people from a certain place are different than the people from another place. But, we're all still people.

Then why would there be many different species in the same region?

[NoSex]

Then why would there be many different species in the same region?

Well, the easy explanation is that natural selection is indeed a limiting factor, but it doesn't always, happen to follow into extinction. With the genetic variety provided by mutation, the theory of evolution allows for the existence of many different species of the same genus to exist in one enviroment for several reasons.

1. Enviroments are diverse, and it is rare for a single species to aquire traits to fit all conditions and specifications of a single enviroment.
2. It is not uncommon for natural selection not to lead to extinction.
3. Genetic mutation has the ability to create new species.
4. Migration and genetic drift increase these chances.

Even without migration, there is no mechanism which requires that multiple species of a single genus, kind, or type (of animal) can not exist in a single enviroment. If genetic mutation happens to lead to the existence of several different species in a single enviroment, so long as the each can survive (which today is self-evident), there is no reason for them not to be found.

[short_dark_hair]

I think it's amazing how many people fell for the lie of Christianity. I think it's absoultely dumb-founding how many lives have been taken "in the name of God". Religion and higher beings were created by ancient man to pin a reason to some of the unexplainable things they saw.
ex, volcano goes off, cavemen gets scared, invents a "volcano god", and worships it.
but yeah, creation all the way.
there is NO proof for creationism.

Okay, so I understand that this is debate, and people shouldn't get offended, such as myself.

But, my proof for creationism is th Holy Bible.

[NoSex]

But, my proof for creationism is th Holy Bible.

Uhhh, and how exactly does the Bible substantiate and justify the proposition of creationism? How exactly can we know that what the Bible says is true? And, why exactly do you not realize that citing the Bible as proof for creationism simply because it says so is an argument from authority and a logical fallacy, thus nothing like "proof" at all?

[Kontroll]

There will never be any evidence for the origin of life. We've been arguing about it for a century or more now. I vote Creation, just because there is so much that points to it.

For example. The world wide flood. There have been thousands of mammoths that have been buried alive with food still in their mouths and stomachs. How? Well, according to the Bible, it stated that the heavens opened up, which refers to the atmosphere, and it basically froze the poles. It was a cataclyzmic event and it is shown by that. It's a little sketchy I know, but you get the idea. I'm not the best at this.

Fossils also show this. There has to be a right time and place in order for fossils to be formed. It doesn't take millions of years. It could actually take less than six weeks. If evolution occured I don't think that there would be so many fossils on record.

[*salcha*]

God created the world in seven days, in accordance to the Bible. True, but it was not stated how long these "days" were. I'm pretty sure these lengths of time are not the same as what we call "days" now. Evolution: the Big Bang Theory, bacteria, and gradual evolution over time. Now in the Bible, it says that sea creatures were made first, which evolution says is true. (Sea creatures, land animals, and then humans). In fact, land animals and humans were made in the same day (6th), which doesn't contradict the fact that evolution also states that humans were created last and are the most recent animals in our world. The only contradiction left is the fact that humans and apes have the same ancestors and evolved differently. But then, why couldn't evolution just be the process in which God created the world?

Uh, yeah. I don't normally post in here...but there's my two cents.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Because God doesn't exist.

[Kontroll]

If you use the English translation it is impossible to know how long the days were. But the Bible was originally written in Greek and Hebrew. The word in Hebrew for 'literal 24 hour day, YOM is used in the creation account.

[NoSex]

God created the world in seven days, in accordance to the Bible. True, but it was not stated how long these "days" were. I'm pretty sure these lengths of time are not the same as what we call "days" now. Evolution: the Big Bang Theory, bacteria, and gradual evolution over time. Now in the Bible, it says that sea creatures were made first, which evolution says is true. (Sea creatures, land animals, and then humans). In fact, land animals and humans were made in the same day (6th), which doesn't contradict the fact that evolution also states that humans were created last and are the most recent animals in our world. The only contradiction left is the fact that humans and apes have the same ancestors and evolved differently. But then, why couldn't evolution just be the process in which God created the world?

Uh, yeah. I don't normally post in here...but there's my two cents.

[The Hebrew word for day ('Yom') almost always means an exact 24-hour period. Also, in the same passages which account the creation of the universe, God creates darkness (night) and light (day) so as to allow man to calculate time. It seems pretty clear to most scholars that the day is a literal day.]
[Although the Hebrew word "Yom" can mean other things aside from a 24-hour day, it will always mean so in the case of an ordinal modifier. Each time 'Yom' is used in the account of the creation, it is used with an ordinal modifier.]
[Evolution is not the same as The Big Bang Theory. Not even close.]
[Design is an integral part of creationism and the Christian story of genesis. Evolution is not sentient design]


It's arbitrary. Let's just say we cut this up with Occam's Razor. The theory of evolution is the most simplistic explanation. It requires the least amount of additive assumptions. So, in adherence to the princibles of Occam's Razor, it would be more accurate simply to say that Evolution operates independent of any supernatural force (i.e. God).

So, we don't really need God. Evolution makes perfect sense all by itself.

[Kontroll]

Are you serious ACID BATH? Evolution, the most simplistic explanation? Well, I'd say Creation and Evolution are tied. We evolved or we were created.

Because God doesn't exist.

That's what you believe. There's no proof for or against it. So, you're wrong. god may not exist, but there is no certaintly that he does or doesn't exist.