Creation or Evolution?, Which do you believe in? Options

[sadolakced acid]

umm sammi?

greek?

i'm pretty sure the bible wasn't originally written in greek...

[sammi rules you]

that kid said it was.

ever read that verse in Psalms?

"a thousand years is like a day to God"

and also
you know how people believed the world was flat?
well, in the Bible, the original greek words used to describe the Earth in the book of Genesis is the word used to describe a spherical object
if they only read the Bible, they wouldn't need Columbus to go find that out !

don't set up a child's representation of creation and debate against it
if you really want to know, talk to a creationist.
Creation has just as much research behind it as evolution

[XoJennaoX]

I think this is the main point.....

"He who sits above the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22)

Is this what you imply as a spherical earth? because it doesn't. Just read the verse in context: "Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." (Isaiah 40:21-22)

Isaiah's "circle" thus reflects ancient notions of a flat earth. Study these other verses in Isaiah: "Who stretched out the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth" (51:13). This states that at creation God "spread out the earth" -- the Hebrew verb for "spread" being used elsewhere in Scripture to depict a "flattening" or "pounding." Also, if the earth was not "spread out," but "rolled up tightly like a ball" at creation, the writer could have said so. there is an example of Hebrew construction in Isaiah 22:18, where a man is "rolled up tightly like a ball." Hence the earth at creation was spoken of as being "flattened or pounded flat" at creation.

A circle is no more a sphere in Scripture than it is in geometry.

[sadolakced acid]

ahh... i see...

in that case, i will gladly accept any original bible in greek as fact.

[pandamonium]

I think this is the main point.....

"He who sits above the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22)

Is this what you imply as a spherical earth? because it doesn't. Just read the verse in context: "Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." (Isaiah 40:21-22)

Isaiah's "circle" thus reflects ancient notions of a flat earth. Study these other verses in Isaiah: "Who stretched out the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth" (51:13). This states that at creation God "spread out the earth" -- the Hebrew verb for "spread" being used elsewhere in Scripture to depict a "flattening" or "pounding." Also, if the earth was not "spread out," but "rolled up tightly like a ball" at creation, the writer could have said so. there is an example of Hebrew construction in Isaiah 22:18, where a man is "rolled up tightly like a ball." Hence the earth at creation was spoken of as being "flattened or pounded flat" at creation.

A circle is no more a sphere in Scripture than it is in geometry.

you explained that quite nicely. kudos

[rOckThISshYt]

I think some huge man up out of no where waved his hand around and said "LET THERE BE LIFE!"

Or... I think not.

There is much evidence to support the theory of evolution. More than enough. There's no doubt in my mind that that's not the best and most logical answer to creation of life.

[*iNyCxShoRT*]

i believe in the creation.

[Spirited Away]

i believe in the creation.

The debate forum doesn't work like any other forums. You actually have to back up your argument. If you're not here to argue... well, why exactly are you in debates.

[fameONE]

i believe in the creation.

You believe in creation because...

[rOckThISshYt]

The debate forum doesn't work like any other forums. You actually have to back up your argument. If you're not here to argue... well, why exactly are you in debates.

I second that and I love you.

[kandeep9]

Uhh...isn't it possible that evolution just explains God's creation in a more specific manner? I mean...who knows how long one day was for God. If you split up the days to fit the evolution timeline, I think it will pretty much work out for itself. =]. [sorry if someone else said this...I didn't really wanna go through 23 pgs to make sure]

[visualfusion]

Wow... the topic I started like a year ago is still alive... rofl... anyways, after looking into this shizzle, I'm starting to really believe in what Rene Descartes said... His philosophy was that God was the clockmaker and the world is his clock. He comes in at the the beginning of time (whenever that was) and builds our world and let's us live our own lives until well.... our time runs out (which it will). I guess this incorporates both Evolution and Creation... so ha! o.O

[rOckThISshYt]

Uhh...isn't it possible that evolution just explains God's creation in a more specific manner? I mean...who knows how long one day was for God. If you split up the days to fit the evolution timeline, I think it will pretty much work out for itself. =]. [sorry if someone else said this...I didn't really wanna go through 23 pgs to make sure]

I guess it could. I don't really know much about religion. But I figure since a man wrote the Bible that when they say "day" it means a day to a human.

[*not_your_average*]

I believe in evolution because there are facts to back it up. As an atheist, I have no good reason to believe in creation by a Higher Power. That's really all there is to say.

[*disco infiltrator*]

You brought this topic back just to say that?

[Tribal J_Rome]

i would LOVE to have a strong belief in God, because i was brought up as Catholic. However, i don't. There is way too much evidence proving our past, evolution, and other things like that.

i dont know sometimes...

that's exactly why i've lost faith. im catho too, but i've thought so much about this, i just believe in the facts now. i've tried to look around this, but in the end i guess i just don't have room for faith in my life and believing in something i'll never find the answer too

[NoSex]

Actually neither can be proven
Because to prove something they have to repeat the hypothesis
And they cant repeat the "big bang"
Nor can they repeat creation.....
But I'd like to hear why you think evolution can be proven and creation cant

The Big Bang has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution. The Big Bang theory explains the expansion of the universe; The Theory of Evolution explains variation of species. They are independent theories. Also, abiogenesis, the origin of life from non-life, is independent of Evolution.

The theory of evolution only pertains to the life sciences. Not the origins of said life, or the origins of the universe. Just the progression of species and life itself, after it's origin.

And, Biological evolution is a fact of life. It has been observed both in the lab and in nature. It is a fact. The theory of evolution falls under the mechanisms which control the evolutionary process.

[AngryBaby]

i remember when i asked a sunday school teacher what came first adam and eve or cavemen, he got all pissed and called me a heathen. :D

[pandamonium]

The Big Bang has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution. The Big Bang theory explains the expansion of the universe; The Theory of Evolution explains variation of species. They are independent theories. Also, abiogenesis, the origin of life from non-life, is independent of Evolution.

The theory of evolution only pertains to the life sciences. Not the origins of said life, or the origins of the universe. Just the progression of species and life itself, after it's origin.

And, Biological evolution is a fact of life. It has been observed both in the lab and in nature. It is a fact. The theory of evolution falls under the mechanisms which control the evolutionary process.

you see i dont get the big bang. in my adv biology book last year it said that it occured when gaseous matter like methane and hydrogen... blah blah mixed together .. but were did these gases come from? lol how did these gases come out from?? it doesnt really explain how every single thing was made.

[stryker76]

1.) The Big Bang - The Big Bang is what scientist now believe is what happens when a universe closes in on its self. The gases from the universe (methane and Hydrogen Mostly) explode to propelle the universe out again....but that is only on thoery, and is a topic for Theoretical Physics.

2.) Greeks and the Bible - The Bible wasnt in creation till after the time of Ancient greece thus y they couls not read it. Here is that lil Timeline for yall


Ancient Greece >>>> Rise of Rome>>>>Golden Age of Rome>>>Rome begins to Fall>>>Jesus is born.


There is some over lappin in there but yeah Ancient Greece was then later converted to Rome. The Romans where Paganist (Roman Gods) and then once Christian its the true decline of Culture began with the creation of the Roman Catholic Church and Organized Religion.

Oh and many Greek scholars knew the world was round long before Columbus...he was only credited for the discovery of the Americas not a round earth. Please have your History some what right.

[sheridan_whitesi...]

Golden Age of Rome>>>Rome begins to Fall>>>Jesus is born.

OK, a few problems with this chronology.
Rome doesn't "begin to fall" for about two or three centuries after Jesus's birth around 8-2 B.C. Also, Rome's "Golden Age" could either describe the Pax Romana or the height of Republican Rome during the Punic Wars. The Republic in fact was before Jesus's birth, but the Pax Romana was in its infancy during the time of Christ. The Pax Romana is credited with bringing about the conditions favorable for the spread of christianity, namely free and public trade and migration across the entire Roman Empire. So to clarify:
2nd Century B.C.E - Rome conquers Carthage, Macedon, and the Selucid Empire, ushering in the Golden age of the Republic
44 BCE - end or Republic, Gaius Julius Caesar assassinated, start of civil wars.
27 B.C.E - Augustus Caesar declares peace, beginnings of the Pax Romana
8-2 B.C.E - Christ born in Bethlehem
180 CE - Marcus Aurelius dies, marks end of Pax Romana
313 CE - Constantine issues the Edict of Milan, making Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire.
330 CE - Constantine establishes the Eastern Roman Empire in Byzantium (commonly cited as the beginning of the end for the Western Roman Empire)
476 CE - The last Roman Emperor abdicates, marking the fall of the Western Roman Empire.

[ParanoidAndroid]

I go for evolution because there a lot of evidence about evolution taking place. There was one with the australiapithicus (sp) that were found and the other categories, "Homohabilis, homoerectus, and" ...err i forgot the rest..but yeah science has proof right now...or it could be that there were ongoing races before? hmm im really indecisive for this one but I'd go with evolution

[Mulder]

evolution.

i dont put faith in religion.

i have faith in science...to a certain extent.

i do have my doubts though. throughout history, there have been many widely accepted theories of how people and all living things came to be.

eventually all were discredited.

its entirely possible that in 50 years the idea of Darwinian evolution would be absurd.

[sadolakced acid]

one could say the rise of caesar is the fall of rome.

[sheridan_whitesi...]

The rise of Octavian Caesar (Augustus) was the beginning of Imperial Rome, and the end of the Roman Republic. The Republic fell, and Imperial Rome continued to be the dominating force in culture, law, military, and architecture for three centuries. That could hardly be considered the fall of Rome.