Creation or Evolution?, Which do you believe in? Options

[sammi rules you]

Wow, that was so wrong i can't even begin. That is so stereotypical i think someone just died. Wow. You have no knowledge of my grades nor my understanding of semantics. You yourself cannot make a case for evolution, so all you can do is attack my case(not very well i might add) and claim evolution to be the victor.

they simply stated why they don't believe in creation. that's not attacking it.

Evolution has no evidence, nor a case. Pure speculation.

Creation has evidence, witnesses, records, and even history on it's side.

actually, it's kinda the other way around. i've seen no evidence of creation, yet there's been skeletons found of early humans to be evidence for evolution. who witnessed the creation?..i'd like to interview them or something. history books and science books talk about evolution. general history is "on the side" of evolution. the bible's history is on the side of creation.

Every living thing has the ability to adapt to it's surroundings. This is true. To evolve is to become more complex. The snake did not do that in this situation. It caused a variation of the species so it is microevolution. Macroevolution has never happened. Microevolution is adaptation. The record of the snake is in the bible. Is there another record aside from folk tales? If you say there is scientific evidence you're helping me with my case and i'll thank you for it.

the snake lost it's legs because it didn't need them. some species of apes lost the large amount of hair and large jaw because they didn't need them. they needed to stand upright to survive. all of it is adaptation. evolution IS adaptation.

also, sikdragon, your signature stretches the forum and is too wide. the cb rules state that it must be 550 pixels wide or less. please resize it.

[sikdragon]

Read darwin's studies. Then read the Bible's account of creation. Until you do, don't comment in this thread.

[sammi rules you]

i have read them. your point?

[sikdragon]

you have not

how can you make arguments like that and claim to comprehend darwin at the same time?

[sammi rules you]

..how would you know? we studied darwin's theories last year. this is why i support evolution.

i also went to a very many youth group meetings with my neighbor and we studied the bible there. i went because i wanted to see what was making them believe in creation.

i'm making arguments that support darwin..what are you talking about?

[sikdragon]

darwin renounced everything he said and wrote before he died. Whose side are you really on?

[waccoon]

darwin renounced everything he said and wrote before he died. Whose side are you really on?

Dying people often turn aside their beliefs for the hope of salvation, or a greater good.

[azn_r4pf4n]

this is a very interestin topic.

evolution is "evolving", or changing. its also "adaptation". adaptation is to get used to a surrounding enviornment and have new characteristics after having them.

Eh, i'm christian. i believe in both, creation and evolution. depends on the way ur talk'n bout on evolution. lots of pplz go back to the book of Genisis when they refer to this. Its very interestin to talk about it.

My point of view: I get confused when i talk bout evolution and creation. Creation dates back to the Adam and Eve story. The bible says that we were created by the Lord's image.

Evolution: Every animal started out from cells. Thats the part that rlly confuses me. Cells.

Creation: The Lord created us from our own image.
The second chapter of Genisis says that the Lord created Adam by breathing through his nostrils. Then it says that it was a man, a living soul.

Some parts of evolution i believe, some I don't. im sticking with both, evolution, depends =\

[Spirited Away]

Wow, that was so wrong i can't even begin. That is so stereotypical i think someone just died. Wow. You have no knowledge of my grades nor my understanding of semantics. You yourself cannot make a case for evolution, so all you can do is attack my case(not very well i might add) and claim evolution to be the victor.

Uh, yea, ME attack your case? How about you attacking me first? Who attacked who about semantics? Huh? Huh? Yea.

I have no knowledge of your grades but neither do you have knowledge of mine yet you claim there were problems in my understanding of evolution. If anyone was judgemental and "attacking", it was you who started it, dear.

I'm not doing a good job because no one can ever do a good job at debasing creation, nor can anyone do a good job at debasing evolution, child. It's that simple. The fact that there isn't proof enough to persuade the other side is why it's one of the most controversial topics around. Do I really need to explain that to you?

Evolution has no evidence, nor a case. Pure speculation.

The other side can say Creation has no evidence, nor a case. Pure folklore.

Creation has evidence, witnesses, records, and even history on it's side.

Yea, right. Records kept by a totally biased book. Yea, that's records for you. Also records that says there are unicorns and beasts and demons. Yea. Whatever.

Every living thing has the ability to adapt to it's surroundings. This is true. To evolve is to become more complex. The snake did not do that in this situation. It caused a variation of the species so it is microevolution. Macroevolution has never happened. Microevolution is adaptation. The record of the snake is in the bible. Is there another record aside from folk tales? If you say there is scientific evidence you're helping me with my case and i'll thank you for it.

Microevolution. Don't argue, just think about it. Just think. Think why they call it microevolution instead of just adaptation. Think.

[sikdragon]

microevolution is adaptation and cannot be used to prove or explain our coming into existence. Your understanding of evolution has no bearing on our current predicament. Evolution is a bunch of fairytales. That totally "biased" book is a perfect representation of every secret life has to offer. It is a real record. Just because it has mention of things that cannot be defined by the mere sense of it, does not make it fairy tales. Calling a book of folklore has to be the most extremely ignorant/close-minded thing one can do. The proof is all around you. Close your eyes and hide behind your false faith in what you see. I choose to believe because i bear witness and conviction of truth upon my soul. I am but a simple messenger sent to tell of another messenger. Believe me or not, the message has been delivered.

I was saying that because you cannot do anything but attack my case, you have no case to attack. so.... where does that leave us?? I have a case, yours has been torn apart and the truth has begun to set us free. Let go of these earthly falsehoods, open up your mind. Open up your heart. Believe in the power of love. God's love.

[Spirited Away]

microevolution is adaptation and cannot be used to prove or explain our coming into existence. Your understanding of evolution has no bearing on our current predicament. Evolution is a bunch of fairytales. That totally "biased" book is a perfect representation of every secret life has to offer. It is a real record. Just because it has mention of things that cannot be defined by the mere sense of it, does not make it fairy tales. Calling a book of folklore has to be the most extremely ignorant/close-minded thing one can do. The proof is all around you. Close your eyes and hide behind your false faith in what you see. I choose to believe because i bear witness and conviction of truth upon my soul. I am but a simple messenger sent to tell of another messenger. Believe me or not, the message has been delivered.

Calling evolution speculation has to be the most stupid thing anyone can do. Trust me. I believe in Creation as much as you, but the way that you demean the belief of others just proves how judgemental you can be and that's why I'm offending you on purpose.

There is NO secret to life (philosophically/spiritually) that you cannot find by living. Everything is revealed once you live your life and experience all it has to offer. Then when you die, death will be revealed to you. I repeate, THERE IS NO SECRET to life, only that which takes time for you to experience.

You claim to be a simple messenger, yet you've done more than giving the message. You've treaded upon grounds that made you more than a messenger. Messengers give messages, they do not tamper with more than that. Yet you argued and insisted and continue to insist. That is not the job of a messenger. Your religion (not God) doesn't humble you, it made you spiteful.

I no longer have a case against you because I cannot have a case when you do not understand terminologies and simple logic involved in it.

For some reason, you can't seem to comprehend that animals evolve simply because it needs to adapt to its evironment. Adaptation is the core requirement of evolution.

I was saying that because you cannot do anything but attack my case, you have no case to attack. so.... where does that leave us?? I have a case, yours has been torn apart and the truth has begun to set us free. Let go of these earthly falsehoods, open up your mind. Open up your heart. Believe in the power of love. God's love.

In your illogics, you claim my arguement has no bearing, and yet, you still cannot reply to me with words of conviction, only those with claims of your unproven truths.

If God's love is what you had planned to convinced non-believers of, you've done just the opposite of that.

[f0reverxnxALWAYs...]

i dont know. i honestly think that God created us. and its not just because i grew up with everyone around me telling me that.

[*Statistik*]

I dont know, and I dont care

[sadolakced acid]

no religon has logic on it's side. evolution does, and it relates directly to biology. therefore, it is taught in biology classes. religions have faith on thier side, which cannot be taught.

evolution isn't going against creationism in any way.

there are two main facets of evolution:

natural selection: this has been scientifically proven with flys ( about 30 generations)

speciation: harder to prove, but it has been with flys (about 70 generations)

now, my biology textbook had a sticker in it saying evolution was 'only a theory' and it 'wasn't proven'

yet here are some theories:

the earth has molten rock in it.
why electricity works
the model of the atom
etc.

and evolution is proven.

i also don't see why some creationists see evolution and creationism as contradictory

it's like saying michalangelo carved this statue ( creationism) or he used a chisel ( evolution)

[Azn Kid from NY]

Evolution has no evidence, nor a case. Pure speculation.

Creation has evidence, witnesses, records, and even history on it's side.

OMG i cannot believe this guy

sorry to say but it is completely the other way around

haha the only evidence Creation has is the Bible......

do u seriously believe the world is only 6000 years old??
and that the world was created in 6 days?

[nexuskpl]

isn't there a happy medium...b/c i mean, i believe in evolution...but then...something or someone has to be responsible for the presence of something to evolve from...

[pandamonium]

I say you all are wrong, i say that because we dont know all the facts. You are arguing with out 100 percent proof that it really happened. Some of you have evidence but its just evidence from now.Some of you state good theories and evidence but we are not completely sure.

We dont have enough facts to prove such a theory or explantion that is beyond our time.

We dont kno if God or Someone else out there created the whole universe......

or

How did we evolve??? .... some thing had to be created before that form to evolve into something. like example the Chicken or the egg.... something had to be created first or how would the egg have been produced from nothing???

What i am saying is that we dont have enough knowledge to prove such a thing as creation or evolution... until then everything is still just a mystery than we can probably solve in the future.

[Azn Kid from NY]

^^ nonono

we do have the facts

the evidence supporting Darwins evolution theory is OVERWHELIMG, it is basically accepted as a fact by all scientists and researchers

and for those of u that say that its just a theory??
well in that case, so is Einstiens Theory of Relativity is just a theory
and continetal drift and plate tectonics is just a theory
the presence and structure of atoms, Atomic Theory, u could say that is just a theory

even electricity is just a theory, which has electrons, which are tiny particles of charged mass that no one has ever seen.....its just a theory

Darwins Theory is in the same level as all these theorys are, basically accepted as a fact


EDIT: by the way i got alot of these information from National Geographic...... some of u guys should read the edition on Darwins Theory sometime

[pandamonium]

^^ nonono

we do have the facts

the evidence supporting Darwins evolution theory is OVERWHELIMG, it is basically accepted as a fact by all scientists and researchers

i do believe in darwinian ideas. In fact right now i am doing a research paper and it involves him. but who is to say that darwin's evolutionary ideas is the correct one .. i mean he is all about evolution but think about this and think before responding, but how can something evolve from nothing...... what if every living thing evolved from one single simple organism... what created that organism? it cant be evolution that created it because that simple organism is the basis of every living thing.

the point i am trying to make is we are only learning about so much but we cant prove it yet .. there are so many other things that can be possible. but i am not saying that darwins ideas aren't true...

dont just base it on one persons ideas and facts... you have to read into other points of view and learn what they have to say like creationism but hey anything is possible..... so who knows darwin maybe posivitvly right.

[PiMPCESS_JADA]

A MIXTURE OF BOTH

[sadolakced acid]

i'm sorry... but did you know that the gas you put in your car is a theory? did you know that the electricity that runs your computer is governed by a theory? did you know that gravity is only a THEORY?

there is overwellming evidence for evolution, there are fossil records that track evolution through most stages. in fact human evolution can be traced in various 'snapshots' that fossils provide. note these are like still frames of a movie: they don't show the whole picture.

now... just because evolution is correct doesn't mean creationism is impossible. it's very likely, and if you start studying evolution you will soon realize that evolution is HOW it happen, not WHY it happened.

[pandamonium]

i'm sorry... but did you know that the gas you put in your car is a theory?  did you know that the electricity that runs your computer is governed by a theory?  did you know that gravity is only a THEORY? 

there is overwellming evidence for evolution,  there are fossil records that track evolution through most stages.  in fact human evolution can be traced in various 'snapshots' that fossils provide.  note these are like still frames of a movie: they don't show the whole picture. 

now...  just because evolution is correct doesn't mean creationism is impossible.  it's very likely, and if you start studying evolution you will soon realize that evolution is HOW it happen, not WHY it happened.

my opinion creation probably started first. how could something evolve from nothing??? Darwin's ideas are very true about evolution but im just saying that creation could start first, then evolution.... what i was saying before is that there is many possibilities.

[sadolakced acid]

yes, but creation and evolution are not connected.

nothing in evolutionary theory says anything about how the world was created. it has a wide gap from the miller/urey experiment to the fossil record.

creationism can still be true... evolution doens't preclude it.

[The 1 and only J...]

i don't really believe in evolution. because if things did evolve from other things then y are there still chimps? i mean if we evolved from them then shouldn't they be gone? it's just some thing i don't believe in.

[Sumiaki]

A MIXTURE OF BOTH

Evolution contradicts the interpretation of the first chapter of Genesis therefore you can't have a mixture of both.

don't really believe in evolution. because if things did evolve from other things then y are there still chimps? i mean if we evolved from them then shouldn't they be gone? it's just some thing i don't believe in.

Let's just say for example that humans came from chimps and it did really happen. Chimps could still co-exist with humans as long as there was enough food for both chimps and humans. If there wasn't then there would be a competition for the food and the most fit for the environment will survive. Simply evolving from something doesn't make the original disappear.

My mentality is that if God wanted his presence to be proven he would prove it.

I totally support Evolution. I don't totally not support Creation but I am a bit skeptical. I would say I am more on the evolution side just because it makes sense to me. It is the most logical thing in my perspective.