Creation or Evolution?, Which do you believe in? Options

[Spirited Away]

The guy who wrote that gives no proof, it's just empty handed statements.  I'm a Christian, I read my Bible, and nowhere does it teach that the Earth is flat.  You ought to come back with some verses from the Bible to prove such.  I've read this, and this guy is seriously off.  He has misinterpretted every aspect of Scripture and twisted for his own use. 

I have MANY times given the verses you requested in the past. Anyone who has been in this thread since the begining knows that I have provided MANY verses... There is a thread named "god" that lasted more than 50 pages and I have writen in almost every page. So, yes I have given the verses before. I don't like repeating myself so I give way to another source.

Anyway to make this all simple, let me just ask some questions:

What is a square?

Is a square spherical or flat?

What shape has four corners?

Does a sphere have four corners?

What are pillars?

Is the earth supported by pillars?

Have fun answering them.

I respect your view on death, and I did not intend to offend you.  Our views on death are different.  Death is unstoppable, but what I was spearing at was "What about something beyond death?"  You don't think there is ANY kind of life after death, and I do.  Oh well.

Something beyond death is nothing important to me. If there is something, then my reaction would be "WOW"/"DARN"/"O____O", if there is nothing, then oh well.

Actually, I have NEVER said that there isn't anything after death. Hmm, if you've read my previous arguements, I've revealed that my belief is in possibilities. Meaning, there is a possibility of nothing and something. However, I care not what about the results until it is my time.

Fae spares me from reading it and getting too lazy.

Of course, I did not want to bore you.

Darwin's stuff is still a theory.

Sure, but it has VALID evidence and many experiments to back it up.

[nyctophiliac]

i believe in the evolution theory
Steph

[tofumonzter]

no polling. give evidence and prove your point.

[*[2]Nekked*]

how are they polling?

do you know what that word means?

[tofumonzter]

poll.

[waccoon]

poll.

I know that I might get in trouble for this, but shut your goddamn mouth. You think you know everything on here, don't you? They're DEBATING. Completely DIFFERENT from a poll. I don't know if something crawled up your ass, you want to raise your post count or whatever - They're not polling.

[tofumonzter]

I deleted their poll. That's why you think they are not polling.

edit christina(just_dream) and i made a point about debating. cause there are too many polls, and debating are not voting.

[espionage]

Echo is mad and Fae is keeping me interested.

There happens to be evidence of both evolution and God. Perhaps we think it as both?

I don't know, it's just my personal twisted belief. Maybe God didn't go *boom* and create a person, but probably did some form of evolution-ating (not a word... but whatever)? When we read that God created man of dust, maybe he did it in a way that we cannot imagine... like evolution.

*confuses myself*

[Spirited Away]

There happens to be evidence of both evolution and God. Perhaps we think it as both?

Well, this is where I will partly agree with you. There are evidences for both, though I still think that the more valid proofs side more with evolution. But I'm not Atheist because of those evidences presented for creation.

[waccoon]

I deleted their poll. That's why you think they are not polling.

edit christina(just_dream) and i made a point about debating. cause there are too many polls, and debating are not voting.

Okay, so what harm does the poll do? They're debating either way, don't mess around with something that's working fine already.

[sikdragon]

If evolution did occur how come every species that has shown to exist during the cenozoic era has remained constant? How come no animal of the same species can reproduce anything but sterile offspring when mating with an animal of another species? How come humans are the only dominant species on the Earth?

The evolutionary theory doesnt have a well supported case. Creation does, but people do not want to accept it because they would no longer be in control and they would have to take responsibility for their own actions.

[stryker76]

If evolution did occur how come every species that has shown to exist during the cenozoic era has remained constant? How come no animal of the same species can reproduce anything but sterile offspring when mating with an animal of another species? How come humans are the only dominant species on the Earth?

Ummm yeah only animals of the same species can produces sterile offspring....but evolution somes from adaptation. First something causes an animal to change...if the change is favorable then that trait is then pasted do to its offspring....well after enough favorable changes to one species it becames a new species...most changes come from a separation of a group if you study up on the Galapose(sp) Islands and the Finchs on the islands then you will get a better idea.

[Spirited Away]

The evolutionary theory doesnt have a well supported case. Creation does, but people do not want to accept it because they would no longer be in control and they would have to take responsibility for their own actions.

Hmm, creation is supported because what? It's in the Bible? Hmm, yea. The Bible has a lot metaphors, few facts (if I can even call them that because for all we know every thing written in there can be metaphors).

I always take responsibility for my own action, and so do many others. I don't get what you mean, maybe you can explain.

Stryker explained wonderfully.

[sikdragon]

that is microevolution not macroevolution... don't change the subject...

There is no proof supporting macroevolution.

Every animal after it's own kind has been basically law. No animal of the same kind can produce an animal of another kind. Variation does exist but not to the point of new animals.

Evolutionists believe that the plants were created millions of years before animals... but wait scientific evidence shows they cannot exist without the other for more than 500 years.

[waccoon]

There is no proof supporting macroevolution.

Of course, there's no proof supporting your God, either.

[oOyunieOo]

Of course, there's no proof supporting your God, either.

There is a lot of proof against evolution. There is proof supporting things in the Bible.

[Spirited Away]

There is a lot of proof against evolution.  There is proof supporting things in the Bible.

Well vice versa.

There are THEORIES against evolution, just as there are THEORIES against creation.

There are many invalid proofs to support the Bible, or if they were valid, EVERYONE would believe. Of course, the same can be said about evolution.

However, evolution theories can be tested/experimented (e.g. Darwin) with scientific instruments, but only faith can attest to theories supporting the Bible.

[stryker76]

Physical evidents always wins over faith.....if faith was a valid answer in a the world then you would so many killers free because a judge my feel that he didnt do it even though they for DNA evidents.....Faith provides only a piece of mind for those that dont kno how to believe in there self...that is all you need

[Spirited Away]

Physical evidents always wins over faith.....if faith was a valid answer in a the world then you would so many killers free because a judge my feel that he didnt do it even though they for DNA evidents.....Faith provides only a piece of mind for those that dont kno how to believe in there self...that is all you need

Exactly what I was politely hinting at.

EDIT>> Pick up "WIRED" magazine October issue and read the article title "The Plot to Kill Evolution".. It's pretty interesting.

Subltiled "The Crusade Against Evolution", the article talks about the plan to assimilate "creation science" into our public schools.

So go READ!

[Prometheusx]

Evolution does have its proof (i.e. Darwin), but it doesn't explain the "beginning" (i.e. The big bang), so we have to turn to creationism. But even than, even if there is a God...who created God...and who create that Goc...etc.... A lot of things are just better left unexplained. Even though one contradicts one another...I believe in both

[*Fallen_Fairy*]

evolution is logic, creation is belief, i think they balance each other out

[Edele]

Evolution. Pure and simple.

Ciao!

[Guarneri]

I prefer to believe that God created humans than to think that we evolved from this piece of organism into a monkey then to a human. how silly...

Albert Einstein was smart. He believed in God. What more is there to say?

[sadolakced acid]

for all of those people who think there's no way we're related to hairy apes:

think for all the changed you'd have to make to change from an ape to a human- so many!

now think of all the changes you'd have to go through to evolve to a human and a chimp.

1. you'd have to evole layers ( ignore this if you haven't had biology)

2. you'd have to evolve bone. with a spinal collum. and a skull. and a jaw. and collar bones. and shoulder blades. and fingers. and toes. and hips... and ribs... and legs... etc.

3. you'd have to evolve blood. you'd have to evole a heart. you'd have to evolve blood vessels. you'd have to evolve lymph vessels.

4. you'd have to evolve skin, hair.

5. you'd have to evolve eyes. ears. nose. mouth.

6. you'd have to evolve immune systems

7. you'd have to evolve brain cells

....


you get the point.

we are very, very much like apes.

[sikdragon]

If we evolved, what purpose does anyone have? Why live?