Prayer In School, are you against or for prayer in school Options

[tooeffingcrazy]

Religions have rules, I just go by what the Bible tells me, I only go by God's Word.

Ps: I am not 3 years old, I am very aware of what the definiton of religion is.

You keep contradicting yourself. You go by what the Bible tells you, but lets have a recall. The last time I checked, the Bible tells you what you need to do to be sinless. If you are sinful, you're going to hell. Now, by abiding to these "statements", you are actually following strict restrictions or rules.

[Joss-eh-lime]

^um..have you ever cracked open a bible? the bible does not say "thou shalt never commit a sin" the bible tells you how you can ask forgiveness.

anyway
most schools completey ignore the fact that religion is a 24/7 part of life, & that kinda bothers me
but prayer in school might cause problems b/c public schools ARENT christian/catholic schools.

[Simba]

Yeah I suppose.
I don't see myself as being religious. I follow God not religion.

Now when did you conclude this?... Just by watching you debate, I would have regarded you as a Christian. Especially with this statement of yours:

In order for you to clearly understand why you must read the word of God and be a Christian.

But hey, if you would like to deny your Christianity, sure...

You follow God, that's a form of religion. I'm not sure what you catagorize yourself as, but i'm sure as hell you're not atheist.

Technically, just because you believe in God or any given Supreme Being, it does not mean that you follow a religion. An organized religion, at least. (Christianity would be an organized religion.)

^um..have you every cracked open a bible? the bible does not say "thou shalt never commit a sin" the bible tells you how you can ask forgiveness.

Which I find rather ridiculous because it's basically like saying, "you shouldn't sin, but don't worry if you do, you can always be forgiven." Relative to going to church and confessing your sins, and then going out sinning again.

[sweetangel2128]

You keep contradicting yourself. You go by what the Bible tells you, but lets have a recall. The last time I checked, the Bible tells you what you need to do to be sinless. If you are sinful, you're going to hell. Now, by abiding to these "statements", you are actually following strict restrictions or rules.

That's not all the Bible teaches. It teaches how God loved his creation, how the earth and it's first animals and humans were really created, how to rid of sin, explains what sin is, talks of the devil and so on. As I said I don't follow religion but I follow God, if his word says not to do something I am not going to committ sin and do it.

^um..have you every cracked open a bible? the bible does not say "thou shalt never commit a sin" the bible tells you how you can ask forgiveness.

Actually, yes it does. It says to not sin and explains what are sins in God's eyes.

Now when did you conclude this?... Just by watching you debate, I would have regarded you as a Christian. Especially with this statement of yours:But hey, if you would like to deny your Christianity, sure...

Technically, just because you believe in God or any given Supreme Being, it does not mean that you follow a religion. An organized religion, at least. (Christianity would be an organized religion.)
Which I find rather ridiculous because it's basically like saying, "you shouldn't sin, but don't worry if you do, you can always be forgiven." Relative to going to church and confessing your sins, and then going out sinning again.

The Bible says not to sin and explains what sinning is, yes it does say to ask for forgiveness but that doesn't mean you can go out and repeat sin, that would mean you are not actually saved. We must try to be righteous which means asking for forgiveness and making changes, meaning trying not to sin anymore at least purposely.

Yes, I am a Christian...the Word Christian means "Christ-Like" or "With Christ". As I have said I don't follow a religion I follow God.

[Simba]

That's not all the Bible teaches. It teaches how God loved his creation, how the earth and it's first animals and humans were really created, how to rid of sin, explains what sin is, talks of the devil and so on. As I said I don't follow religion but I follow God, if his word says not to do something I am not going to committ sin and do it.
Actually, yes it does. It says to not sin and explains what are sins in God's eyes.
The Bible says not to sin and explains what sinning is, yes it does say to ask for forgiveness but that doesn't mean you can go out and repeat sin, that would mean you are not actually saved. We must try to be righteous which means asking for forgiveness and making changes, meaning trying not to sin anymore at least purposely.

The Bible may not necessarily say "don't worry about sinning because you can always ask forgiveness," but unfortunately, it is the message some people receive when entering Christianity. (Not all.)

So would entering Heaven be as simple as asking for forgiveness of your sins right before you die?

[sweetangel2128]

The Bible may not necessarily say "don't worry about sinning because you can always ask forgiveness," but unfortunately, it is the message some people receive when entering Christianity. (Not all.)

So would entering Heaven be as simple as asking for forgiveness of your sins right before you die?

Yes, you are very right, a lot of churches teach different things in the forgivess area which is why I don't really follow a religion, I follow God and the Bible. Some of the things that churches teach are not even biblical or what God asked from us which is why I don't really like the term "religion". I think people shouldn't be in religions, you should just do what is asked, read God's word (the bible) and accept Jesus into your heart.

Yes in a way. But you can't sin and ask for forgiveness and then repeatedly sin again and think your saved. If you are on your death bed and you ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and you accept him with all your heart, you will go to Heaven.

And if your not on your death bed and accept Jesus you also must be baptised of water and of the spirit in order to see the Kingdom of God but of course I think there are exceptions if you are never given the chance to be baptised and lets say your a Christian, love God with all you heart, obey him and try not to sin but die in a car accident before you can go through baptism. But if your offered being baptised and turn it down, I think that's different.

[Simba]

Ok, to bring the question to a more extreme point, "Could a person simply ask for forgiveness for his sins immediately before death, who, has gone on killing sprees, participated in illicit sex, lied, stolen, etcetera, etcetera, all his life, and still be permitted into heaven?"

[Joss-eh-lime]

^no b/c there's yet another verse in the bible that says if you keep repeating something you know is a sin & you simply ask for forgivness w/o meaning it..thats a sin

somewhere in the bible's many words it plainly says you need to truly belive jesus is your Lord and savior & believe he died for our sins to get to heaven.

so..if you do that you'll WANT to stay away from sin

[sweetangel2128]

Ok, to bring the question to a more extreme point, "Could a person simply ask for forgiveness for his sins immediately before death, who, has gone on killing sprees, participated in illicit sex, lied, stolen, etcetera, etcetera, all his life, and still be permitted into heaven?"

First of all, in God's eyes all sins are equal even murder or even just taking his name in vain. If you are truly sorry for what you have done and ask for forgiveness and accept him into your heart you will go to Heaven. God never turned anybody away no matter there sin. Did you hear about the woman who committed adultry?

^no b/c there's yet another verse in the bible that says if you keep repeating something you know is a sin & you simply ask for forgivness w/o meaning it..thats a sin

somewhere in the bible's many words it plainly says you need to truly belive jesus is your Lord and savior & believe he died for our sins to get to heaven.

so..if you do that you'll WANT to stay away from sin

True, it does state that but if the person did all the sinning and truly asked for forgivess they can enter Heaven. I think Arjuna was asking if a person who is committed really bad things in life will they still go to Heaven. The answer is yes depending on if they ask for forgivess and accept Jesus into their hearts.

Yep, you need to truly accept Jesus, accept that he died for your sins and try not to sin over and over again but it also says that you need to be baptised in water and in spirit in order to see the Kingdom of God.

[tooeffingcrazy]

Not to seem totally rude, but it seems as if we're going into Narnia right now.

[sweetangel2128]

Not to seem totally rude, but it seems as if we're going into Narnia right now.

Do you know what Narnia is? I mean other then a movie? It's the life of Jesus, it's based off of the Bible. The Queen is the Devil, the Lion is Jesus..ect...

[Joss-eh-lime]

Yep, you need to truly accept Jesus, accept that he died for your sins and try not to sin over and over again but it also says that you need to be baptised in water and in spirit in order to see the Kingdom of God.

seriously? i just thought getting baptized was..optional. oh well..

[kimmytree]

^ Same. But I think its only a small percentage of Christians/denominations that believe that way.

[sweetangel2128]

seriously? i just thought getting baptized was..optional. oh well..

Yeah me too until I read the verse lol.

^ Same. But I think its only a small percentage of Christians/denominations that believe that way.

Hey, what happend to your old username? Why'd you change? But no it's not denominations that believe that but what the Bible says, heres the verse:

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)

[xBUTTMUNCHx]

I really don't care, ppo gotta do what they gotta do right? Just don't make me pray when i don't want to at the moment...and its all goood.

[kimmytree]

Yeah me too until I read the verse lol.



Hey, what happend to your old username? Why'd you change? But no it's not denominations that believe that but what the Bible says, heres the verse:

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)

Ehhh. I just didnt really like it.

Well, regardless of what it says, different denominations interpret things differently. Primitive Baptists believe that its all predetermined, and that most people are going to heaven. Penecostals for the most part believe that you have to be saved AND live a good life. etc etc. It just depends on the denomination.

[Jamwllms]

If people want to pray, let them pray.

If they don't, don't force them to.

At my school they say "Let's take a moment to pray now. Bow your heads please."

Me? I just sit there and wait. I don't want to participate in that stuff, but I'm not going to prevent them from doing it because I don't want to.


- James.