White history month?, racism Options

[artislife90]

yes thats would be beautiful wouldnt it?^

but one thing, you say whites were discriminated against. but i dont remember any times where there was stores and local theatures that said "no whites allowed". or whites being sprayed down with a hose by the black cops in the middle of the streets. I dont really think there is a exact comparison of the way minorities were discriminated against compared to whites. any discrimination towards whites was not to the same extent as it was to minorities.

first off, "whites" is such a broad term to begin with. But every cuture has had their time of discrimination.

Jews are white. Nazi germany. I believe thats a bit worse, than a "no blacks allowed" sign or getting sprayed.

Italians are white, the Irish are white, both where harshly discriminated during immigration into the US.


See, EVERY culture had a time when they fell out of favor and were discriminated against.

[Ington]

Actually, Jews were always discriminated against.

I won't repeat everything, because you guys pretty much covered the entire 'rip the fools to shreds' thing. I just had to point out:

I freaking love Fae and Sammi.

[AngryBaby]

I believe thats a bit worse, than a "no blacks allowed" sign or getting sprayed.
against.

huh? you say that like thats all that ever happened to african americans. im not comparing discrimination from the time slaves were freed to the 60's to the holocaust. a better comparison would be slavery to the holocaust. i said discrimination, im not talking about the massacres. but u do have a point about the the irish and stuff =)

[rinchan089]

yes thats would be beautiful wouldnt it?^

but one thing, you say whites were discriminated against. but i dont remember any times where there was stores and local theatures that said "no whites allowed". or whites being sprayed down with a hose by the black cops in the middle of the streets. I dont really think there is a exact comparison of the way minorities were discriminated against compared to whites. any discrimination towards whites was not to the same extent as it was to minorities.

I think 'were' is a key word here: It's past tense. It happened awhile ago, we shouldn't have to compensate for anything.

Besides, discrimination is still discrimination, who cares how much worse it is than another instance of it? Any discrimination at all is horribly cruel and should be shunned, but, however, not all discrimination is.

Right now, in the present tense, white are being discriminated against and no one is doing anything about it. Months for various ethnicities which elaborate on how mean the whites were to other cultures doesn't help.

Alright, so we learn about the past. We know what happened and don't want it to happen again. Well, it is happening, not as badly, but discrimination is still evident. We need to fix the present to change the future, not dwell in who's past was worse.

Rin-chan

[sadolakced acid]

unless one race conquers all others, the world will be stuck with many races for a long time. sure, eventually the mixes will prevail, but there will be those who adhere to purebloodedness, and it will take a while for the inbreeding to finally finish them off.

as said: acknowledging that different races preform worse because of genetics , even when used to counteract traditional racism, is much more dangerous than any cain/able bible justification of black slavery or any other racism.

[AngryBaby]

I think 'were' is a key word here: It's past tense.  It happened awhile ago, we shouldn't have to compensate for anything.

Besides, discrimination is still discrimination, who cares how much worse it is than another instance of it?  Any discrimination at all is horribly cruel and should be shunned, but, however, not all discrimination is.

Right now, in the present tense, white are being discriminated against and no one is doing anything about it.  Months for various ethnicities which elaborate on how mean the whites were to other cultures doesn't help.

Alright, so we learn about the past.  We know what happened and don't want it to happen again.  Well, it is happening, not as badly, but discrimination is still evident.  We need to fix the present to change the future, not dwell in who's past was worse.

Rin-chan

im talking discrimination where there is a higher percentage of people that actually are racist than there is not. give me a beak, if there was real horrible discrimination against caucasions it would be on the news already plus caucasions are still the strong hand in this country, so im confused. you cant really be discriminated against that bad when your still the most dominant race in the U.S.
and plus minorities also still get discrimnated against one way or another. its just not the majority of caucasions now. just as its not the majority of minorities being discrimminatory towards caucasions. i mean really, how much power can minorities have over them?

the only serious discrimination that i see right now is against homosexuals. any law prohibitng a human being to do what is their natural right is discrimination. whites AND minorities dont suffer that right now, unless they are gay =).

[ComradeRed]

What do you mean a natural right? Is having a tax break a natural right? Because that's really the only legal benefit of marriage.

The Supreme Court ruled that it's illegal to prevent two consenting homosexuals from having sex in private (Lawrence vs. Kennedy), so homosexuals have the same rights per se as single individuals. Plus they can vow to themselves, etc.

Really the only thing a heterosexual couple can get that a homosexual can't is a tax break, and I hardly call a special tax break a "natural right".

[AngryBaby]

shit i knew "natural" would come back to haunt me. and you just had to dwell on it too haha. but its still a right, the fact that there is question whether there can be married or not is discrimination.

[ComradeRed]

Well marriage itself discriminates against singles because a higher tax burden is placed upon those who don't marry.

So gay marriage is really an issue of which is the lesser of two evils, not really which is a right or not.

[sadolakced acid]

tax break for married couples should be abolished.

who marries for a tax break anyways?

[Levy2k6]

idk why anyone would break up for a tax break... it cost 1000 more times to get divorced than married.. lol i rather stay together.

[ComradeRed]

But when you're deciding whether to enter into a marriage in the first place or not? Yeah.

[AngryBaby]

Well marriage itself discriminates against singles because a higher tax burden is placed upon those who don't marry.

So gay marriage is really an issue of which is the lesser of two evils, not really which is a right or not.

but the fact is, a single man/woman can at least get married. i think some peoples definition of discrimination here is a little rattled.

[Mulder]

how'd this get from the topic of a "white history month" to gay marriage?
theres already a topic about gay marriage.

[*mzkandi*]

^Yes, guys stay on topic

so about this white history month...

[mai_z]

im talking discrimination where there is a higher percentage of people that actually are racist than there is not. give me a beak, if there was real horrible discrimination against caucasions it would be on the news already 

Just because it wasn't on the news, how does that make it not true. The news doesn't have time to report every single thing, and to a lot of people, affirmative action isn't something they belive is an issue. Also, we don't have black history month because they're discriminated against now, it's because they were treated horribly in the past, and I think we've already established that whites were discriminated in the past too.

plus caucasions are still the strong hand in this country, so im confused. you cant really be discriminated against that bad when your still the most dominant race in the U.S.

Discriminatio has nothing to do with whether you are a majority or minority, but how people view and treat you. There could be only one chinese man in an entire city that owned the little variety store on a corner, but if he said that you weren't allowed in his store because you were white, that would be discrimination.

and plus minorities also still get discrimnated against one way or another. its just not the majority of caucasions now. just as its not the majority of minorities being discrimminatory towards caucasions. i mean really, how much power can minorities have over them?

the only serious discrimination that i see right now is against homosexuals. any law prohibitng a human being to do what is their natural right is discrimination. whites AND minorities dont suffer that right now, unless they are gay =).

Gays has nothing to do with this debate. Are you saying that white gays are being discriminated against, and not black gays or vietnamese gays? The world isn't perfect, and like you said, minorities will get discriminated against one way or another. I belive that everyone will get discriminated in one way or another, but we should still try to make the world a more fair place. Discrimination, no matter the magnitude is still wrong, and just because it's not "serious", doesn't mean that it's not wrong.

[AngryBaby]

i totally did make like three good arguments about the white history month. if you actually take time to read it a few pages back, you'll see how it got to gay marriage. i was just stating an example

okay, lets say there was a white history month. what the hell would we learn about?
everything we would learn about would be something we already learned many many times. at least with history months for hipanics and african americans, you actually learn stuff u you never knew before. i mean, come on . we all know that america is mostly comprised of caucasions right? therefore when we learn about something in history, it is most likely going to be a caucasion person(s) . so really, what need is there to be a white history month? the purpose of black history month  is to learn more about another culture and for blacks to even learn about their own, its not a pride thing. caucasions dont have a "month" yet we know more about their culture and history than any other. so again, what need is there of a white history month? i can probably get more answers correct in a contest about white history than i can black. serious, and i know im not the only one. so, now, lets say we didnt have a black history month. it is fair to say we would know much much less.There is no need of a white history month, and we all know it. this has just turned into a pride thing."we want a month too." just to have a month. its not like they go in black history month "oh yeah we're black, black's the way to be! oh ya" no, all they do is just throw some history facts at you. about the civil rights. and alittle slavery stuff. some of the arguments ive seen in here were just plain silly. if there really was even a real question of there having to be a white history month, people would actually be talking about it, besides some kids on cb.
so one more time,close your eyes and think about it, what if there was suddenly a white history month tommorow? what would we learn? hmm george washington? no we know about that, chris columbus? nah we heard about him hundreds of times. all of our presidents? nope we know about that too. astronauts?authors?painters? inventors?Stars?war veterans? etc. eh all the major ones i can think of are.... wow, white.
im done 

[AngryBaby]

Just because it wasn't on the news, how does that make it not true. The news doesn't have time to report every single thing, and to a lot of people, affirmative action isn't something they belive is an issue. Also, we don't have black history month because they're discriminated against now, it's because they were treated horribly in the past, and I think we've already established that whites were discriminated in the past too.

think of this, if the news thinks its so petty that they dont have time to even report that, how the hell would it be some huge discrimination? i think we forget that discrimination is a huge thing. you cant just throw it around every time someone says something racist to you.(that goes for all races). do you think our so called "discrimination" now, would even be worthy of being in history book for the future?

Discriminatio has nothing to do with whether you are a majority or minority, but how people view and treat you. There could be only one chinese man in an entire city that owned the little variety store on a corner, but if he said that you weren't allowed in his store because you were white, that would be discrimination.

and how often does that even happen? "you cant come in, cause your white" and
plus...thats illegal now, in real discrimination it would be legal. now you could just call somebody on that chinese guy, and thell take him and his shop away. but if it was real discrimination(like back in the day)you would probably go to jail just for calling the cops.
or the'll find a reason to beat you with a night stick. Now does that happen now? no. Thats real discrimination.

Gays has nothing to do with this debate. Are you saying that white gays are being discriminated against, and not black gays or vietnamese gays? The world isn't perfect, and like you said, minorities will get discriminated against one way or another. I belive that everyone will get discriminated in one way or another, but we should still  try to make the world a more fair place. Discrimination, no matter the magnitude is still wrong, and just because it's not "serious", doesn't mean that it's not wrong.

what are you talking about? am i saying that white gays are being discriminated against but not black gays or vietnemese or etc. wtf? you think im for white history month dont you? lol. i said anyone whos homosexual, are the only ones right now that are even close to being seriously discriminated against. i said only ones close

edit// Oh wow i double posted, i thought i edited hehe sorry

[mai_z]

i totally did make like three good arguments about the white history month. if you actually take time to read it a few pages back, you'll see how it got to gay marriage. i was just stating an example rolleyes.gif

I've been reading this thread since started, just becaue I don't live in this thread and don't happen to comment a lot, doesn't mean that I don't read it.

think of this, if the news thinks its so petty that they dont have time to even report that, how the hell would it be some huge discrimination? 

I never said it was huge discrimination. I was saying that it doesn't have to be discrimination of a large magnitude to be considered an issue. Discrimination is "Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice:" I don't "throw it around", I'm merely stating that although it may not be a genocide, it is still a problem.

what are you talking about? am i saying that white gays are being discriminated against but not black gays or vietnemese or etc. wtf? you think im for white history month dont you? lol. i said anyone whos homosexual, are the only ones right now that are even close to being seriously discriminated against. i said only ones close

I was not saying that you were referring to white gays, but rather trying to express that your statement about gays being the only ones discriminated against their "natural right" probably wasn't the right way to go about saying what you wanted to say.

[Rikkiismyname]

Yeah ok SOmetimes I kinda feel like that but I mean if all men (and women) were created equal, then why do we not have a month for every race of the world. sure we would run out of months but then it would be more fair. It's not really fair for african's and african american's to get a whole month devoted to them.

[sovietski]

Heres my two cents.

I am Russian and I came to America from another country. Knowing this, I view America a bit differently than Americans probably do.

This is what I see. In America the worst thing to be is a "White Male". Males are considered sexist and whites are considered rasist. Well, I support a "white history month". I am not even American, and I support a holiday that celebrates the achievement of white americans. A month where people can be proud of being white just as blacks are proud to be black.

to many times do i see black people being racist against whites, and the whites cannot retaliate. Its against the law. As for me, my grandfather never owned a slave, as a matter of fact back in the day's in Russia most of the population were "serfs", which is another term for land slaves. And when i run into black people who like to run there mouths about how everything is unfair and how they are being discriminated against I like to ask them how? Considering that me being a minority in this country have also dealt with certain racists. That never provoked me to go asking for a free college scholorship. Black people are not slaves anymore...as a matter of fact black people seem to have more rights than white people. As for black people who feel like the worlds a big hateful place for blacks, they are free to go back to Africa.....considering the odds, black people should be happy they are in America.

America was founded by whites! Its about time that America identified itself.

Dont get me wrong, I am against any extremism. I do not support Nazi's i think they are evil human beings who simply love to hate. I do not support extreme white pride, confederate redneck with shotguns type of pride or KKK. I think they are ridiculous. I believe we as humans should leave peacefully with each other no matter what. But, if one group is always trying to outdue another, this can't be! Blacks are just as responsible for there problems as the racist who make it worse.

[*disco infiltrator*]

Ohhhhh maaaaan, why'd you have to bring back this thread..

Now I'll turn into an angry old senile woman again..Damn you.


Jay kay.

[super_grover08]

i agree. just cause there skin is darker than ours doesnt mean that they should get more attention than any other race. there just as capable as all of us to succeed in life.

[sovietski]

sorry Disco....I didn't know

[irkadirka07]

i agree...
i was just thinkingm about that recently and how we don't get any recognition at all...and i'm not racist or anything either...just kind of curious
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