videogame playing 11 year olds, they know nothing! Options

[*kryogenix*]

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=0&cId=3137498

I was shocked to see this. "Donkey Kong is "lame." Tetris is "boring." Space Invaders "needs a superbomb or something."

WHAT?

Anyone who has fond memories playing classic games would probably jump out a window after hearing that. EGM had a little experiment called Child's Play, where they asked younger kids (who were born in the so called "Playstation Generation") to play classic games from the 80's and earlier.

Their responses were shocking.

Seriously, I'm about to cry. These kids are terrible.

Anthony: If Mike Tyson was in this game, his special move would be to bite people's ears. Then he'd be all gloating about it, but then the sound's all low because you can't hear him because your ears are gone. [Points at the next opponent, Von Kaiser, seen in the screen to the left] That's Mike Tyson, and he's trying to bite off your ear.

Garret: That's not Tyson. Are you kidding me? Mike Tyson does not have a handlebar mustache, and he's not white.

EGM: So those are the two things that make you think that's not Tyson?

Garret: Yeah, plus he's wearing pants.

EGM: What do you think that green guy is? [Points to wildman Blanka]

Bobby: He's a mutated lizard-man scientist. He was a scientist, and he was working, and he mutated himself into the ultimate lizard.

EGM: Where did you learn that story?

Bobby: My brother loves Blanka. It's his favorite videogame character.

EGM: If this game had blood and gore like Mortal Kombat, would you like it more?

Parker: Then this would be the best game ever created. Ever. Because violence is so cool-in videogames.

The first two are examples of extreme stupidity.

The third is scary.

From Slashdot:

Back in the bronze and silver age of arcade games, we did not have the technology to create "realistic" games, so we made fun games where ones imagination was required. This level of abstraction made games fun and entertaining without the (argueably) negative societal consequences.

Today, kids engage in auto thefts, mass murder, and first person real time role playing where they can be anyone they choose to be (be it good or evil). There is no longer any need to exercise ones imagination, as that has been replaced by stunning graphics which is slowly approaching a level of realism which will make any differentiation between the real world and the arcade world difficult.

That is why there will always be a special place in my heart for the classics. They encouraged my sense of imagination. Todays games lack that.

Look at what has happened. Are videogames moving in the right direction?

Responses please my friends.

[*kryogenix*]

More stupidity:

Anthony: Why did he get thrown up when he got jumped on.

EGM: I don't think physics is supposed to be realistic.

Bobby: It's probably because the Nazis felt bad having a cement fighting place, so they put little trampolines under-

Parker: Wait. What do Nazi's have to do with it?

Bobby: Because Zangief is a Nazi.

EGM: He's Russian. Not German.

Garret: He's a communist.

Bobby: Then why is Zangief's place a Nazi place?

EGM: It's not.

Bobby: Yes it is-it had a Nazi sign on the cement.

Parker: It couldn't have been. They wouldn't have let that in videogames.

Bobby: Whatever.

Where are kids learning this? That's the hammer and sickle, not the swastika! Zangief is soviet, not nazi german!

EGM: Now imagine you've reached the 10th stage, and you're on your last life. Once you die and you put another quarter in, you don't just continue from there--you start all over.

Parker: Are you serious?

EGM: Yep. When you lose all your lives, you have to start over. You don't keep going.

Parker: And you guys back then were OK with this?

I can just imagine this kid saying "y0, wh3r3 c4n I g3t ch3atz!!11one h3lp me h4ck my c0unterstr1ke!!111one

[*Statistik*]

ROFLMAO

[*kryogenix*]

ROFLMAO

Spam. I'm looking for intelligent remarks. What you just said is no more intelligent than what the kids in the experiment say.

[*Statistik*]

I knew you will say that haha and you really think i care huh..plus that wasnt spam anyways my bad

[*kryogenix*]

I knew you will say that haha and you really think i care huh..plus that wasnt spam anyways my bad

If you knew I would say that, then why do it? And it is spam, it's totally unnecessary and uncalled for. Well, at least you apologized.

[*Statistik*]

By the way, wouldnt 11 year olds be smart enough to say that? I'm 12 and i just feel like being stupid when i want to be.

[Sandy]

Hm...Well, the whole video game aspect is true. Nowadays that's all people look for: Reality. Or at least, the up-to-date people. They want something that will make them feel in tact with the actions of the game. I personally love beautiful, realistic graphic video games, like Final Fantasy X and X-2. It just depends on what type of game it is. I also love classics, such as Pac-Man and Super Nintendo games, and all that, (I'm 15) but it's also nice to explore the new technology.

The violence games, in my opinion, are only expected. People will do their jobs to keep up with society, and if someone thinks it's wrong to play/buy, then no one is forcing them to get it. I can recall older games having some violence in them, but now that the graphics are more vivid, they can't just ignore the realness of violence. What's a game without conflict?

[*kryogenix*]

Hm...Well, the whole video game aspect is true. Nowadays that's all people look for: Reality. Or at least, the up-to-date people. They want something that will make them feel in tact with the actions of the game. I personally love beautiful, realistic graphic video games, like Final Fantasy X and X-2. It just depends on what type of game it is. I also love classics, such as Pac-Man and Super Nintendo games, and all that, (I'm 15) but it's also nice to explore the new technology.

The violence games, in my opinion, are only expected. People will do their jobs to keep up with society, and if someone thinks it's wrong to play/buy, then no one is forcing them to get it. I can recall older games having some violence in them, but now that the graphics are more vivid, they can't just ignore the realness of violence. What's a game without conflict?

Who cares about graphics when the story was bad? FF X-2 had poor dialogue. In fact, most FF games are pretty mediocre, only a few really good games are in that series.

Of course it's great to experience new technology, but what happens when you lose your imagination?

I have no problem with violent games. I do have a problem with games that are terrible, but are labeled "cool" just because they are violent. The GTA series comes to mind. The game is fun for a few minutes, then midlessly killing people gets a bit boring. On the flip side, I hate it when people think a game is bad because there is no blood and gore.

[Sandy]

I don't think games are boring if they don't have violence or gore, and those who think that way annoy me as well. But the imagination part: I really don't think that people's imaginations are at stake with the realistic games we have nowadays. I mean, you have people who play these games and actually imagine themselves doing things like that, and then imagine a world like in the FF games and so forth. I mean, I don't think anyone has the right to say one loses his/her imagination from playing some Golden Eye. I mean, while a person plays a videogame, they're actually almost constantly imagining. Like the kid said about how Child's Play would be great if it had violence, how could he have thought that without running a check through his imagination? IMAGINE if the game has more violence...

And I don't think you should state things about bad story lines as if what you say is completely right. Some people enjoy story lines others think are horrible. So, I believe that all it comes up to is: Don't worry about people "losing" their imaginations. I don't think their telling you to stop playing your classics. Like porn. I'm sure not everyone watches porn. I'm sure many people object to such things like porn. I don't think pornos are forbididng everyone into watching regular TV shows.

[sadolakced acid]

respect the classics!

modern video games sharpen reflexes and dull morals. I say we take all these kids, put them in rooms with these, make them work out a few times a day and play games the rest, and then we'll have a super army of heartless, without-imagination- killers.

now wouldn't that be fun?

[jennyjenny]

Well,
there's gonna be new technogoly coming out each day.
But kids nowadays turn to violence in games, and enjoy them.

Now let's ask you this, would you do anything that your PARENTS have done when they were little? Yeah, you would probably think it would be boring and strange.

[mechwarrior1989]

Video games are a way to feed your id. If you don't know what that is, go read up on Freud. I've also read the last two Child's play articles, you can't expect children who have grown up with more "modern" games to respect older games. It's like how old people often get stuck in times of 'ole. Now we don't look at cars from the 50's and say that's hot, we say that's a classic but we don't look at them the same way that we look at say a ferrari enzo. Plus kids are getting dumber and graphics in older games weren't exactly all that great so if they say something dumb, I'll give them the benifit of the doubt. Kids know what they want. Just because they're 11 doesn't make them any less capable of choosing what they like. I remember when I was 11 or even younger then that, that was the time of the pokemon craze, I knew what I wanted, pokemon for GBA and pokemon cards. Also I can remember back to 1st grade, I can remember playing video games back then as well, that was 9 years ago. Those games were great back then, but now if I were to play them, they would seem pretty lame. The games have gotten so advanced now that most side scrollers aren't even to satisfy our appitites for games.

[*kryogenix*]

I mean, while a person plays a videogame, they're actually almost constantly imagining. Like the kid said about how Child's Play would be great if it had violence, how could he have thought that without running a check through his imagination? IMAGINE if the game has more violence...

That's not imagination. Today, if it's not violent, it's not a cool videogame. The kid is saying I can't imagine playing a game without violence.

  Well,
there's gonna be new technogoly coming out each day.
But kids nowadays turn to violence in games, and enjoy them.

Now let's ask you this, would you do anything that your PARENTS have done when they were little? Yeah, you would probably think it would be boring and strange.

Probably not, but this is not the same. My parents were kids 30-40 years ago. I played most of the games in the article; in fact, even the kids played some of the games mentioned in the article! They mention how they played it when they were little. But, a decade later, the games aren't cool all of a sudden? Your analogy is a bit flawed. What these kids are saying would be equivalent to a parent saying they liked a certain song from that generation, but now, they don't like it. It would be absurd imagining my parents giving up their rock cassettes for rap cd's.

  Video games are a way to feed your id. If you don't know what that is, go read up on Freud. I've also read the last two Child's play articles, you can't expect children who have grown up with more "modern" games to respect older games. It's like how old people often get stuck in times of 'ole. Now we don't look at cars from the 50's and say that's hot, we say that's a classic but we don't look at them the same way that we look at say a ferrari enzo. Plus kids are getting dumber and graphics in older games weren't exactly all that great so if they say something dumb, I'll give them the benifit of the doubt. Kids know what they want. Just because they're 11 doesn't make them any less capable of choosing what they like. I remember when I was 11 or even younger then that, that was the time of the pokemon craze, I knew what I wanted, pokemon for GBA and pokemon cards. Also I can remember back to 1st grade, I can remember playing video games back then as well, that was 9 years ago. Those games were great back then, but now if I were to play them, they would seem pretty lame. The games have gotten so advanced now that most side scrollers aren't even to satisfy our appitites for games.

I'll reply to this later, SAT practice.

[*tweeak*]

By the way, wouldnt 11 year olds be smart enough to say that? I'm 12 and i just feel like being stupid when i want to be.

which is apperently quite often.

moving swiftly on

donkey kong is a pretty good game. not everything has to have and advanced story line, top of the line graphics, and mega battles. i like donkey kong not only for what it is, but what its not. i love the old arcade games, and their lack of intense battle sequences that get old 30 seconds after i start playing (a la kingdom hearts: chain of memories)

tetris is very much not boring. i spent 2 hours playing tetris yesterday, whereas i only managed to play my new KH:COM game for 10 minutes at a time without getting fed up with endless dialouge sequences and far too many unavoidable battles. tetris is timeless, and a superb game for people of all ages. i adore it, and it is certainly not boring

space invaders certainly doesnt need a superbomb. that would kill it. why does everything have to be about violence these days? personally, i prefer galaga, but they are still excellent games, that dont need to be any more violent than they are. im so sick of every game revolving around fighting. its just not fun. the classics are great because theyre not overly violent and aggrivating. not everything needs adanced plots and battles.

[*kryogenix*]

Video games are a way to feed your id. If you don't know what that is, go read up on Freud. I've also read the last two Child's play articles, you can't expect children who have grown up with more "modern" games to respect older games. It's like how old people often get stuck in times of 'ole. Now we don't look at cars from the 50's and say that's hot, we say that's a classic but we don't look at them the same way that we look at say a ferrari enzo. Plus kids are getting dumber and graphics in older games weren't exactly all that great so if they say something dumb, I'll give them the benifit of the doubt. Kids know what they want. Just because they're 11 doesn't make them any less capable of choosing what they like. I remember when I was 11 or even younger then that, that was the time of the pokemon craze, I knew what I wanted, pokemon for GBA and pokemon cards. Also I can remember back to 1st grade, I can remember playing video games back then as well, that was 9 years ago. Those games were great back then, but now if I were to play them, they would seem pretty lame. The games have gotten so advanced now that most side scrollers aren't even to satisfy our appitites for games.

Videogames feed your id, you can't argue with that. But thinking that the only good videogames are violent games is way off.

The games today have little to no replay value. Whereas many of those games do have replay value.

[mai_z]

Garret: Yeah, plus he's wearing pants.

haha that made me laugh

We have to learn to appreciate the classics. I have nothing against making more realistic, faster moving games, but I still love tetris and pac man. I think that the big deal here is not really the fact that we have new technology, but the way that it is being used and promoted. The themes in a lot of newer video games are quite amazing in how obscene they can get. Stealing cars, picking up scantily-clad women, mass murder, this is really not where we want our future generations to go. Realistic videogames push the threshold of our tolerance for violence and gore; who knows what will happen when it gets to the point that fiction is no longer enough?

[rainydaypro]

I think the classic games are beyond the violence-numb, prebescent, adolescent mind that are the youth today.

I enjoy Dance Dance Revolution to be honest. But thats just me

[mechwarrior1989]

Videogames feed your id, you can't argue with that. But thinking that the only good videogames are violent games is way off.

The games today have little to no replay value. Whereas many of those games do have replay value.

I said they're a way of feeding your id, I didn't say that they were all violent. By feeding your id you are creating a diversion from the killing which every human is programed to do. Riding your bike or playing an instrument are also ways of feeding your id, they don't exactly involve much violence. In the freuding view of the world, basically everything we do can be considered as a way of feeding our id.

[acidbreeze]

Dang. Both of my brothers (10 & 11) have had experience on an Atari and liked it.

[*kryogenix*]

I said they're a way of feeding your id, I didn't say that they were all violent. By feeding your id you are creating a diversion from the killing which every human is programed to do. Riding your bike or playing an instrument are also ways of feeding your id, they don't exactly involve much violence. In the freuding view of the world, basically everything we do can be considered as a way of feeding our id.

Well, anything you do by choice.

But let's keep this on topic.

Here's another quote.

(Talking about The Legend of Zelda for NES)

EGM: What would you say if we said we like this game more than Wind Waker?

Parker: I agree.

Bobby: I agree. I love this game.

EGM: You would rather play this than Wind Waker?

Parker: Yeah, it's old-school. It's classic.

EGM: So if you're going to a desert island and you could only bring one game, you'd take this over Wind Waker?

Parker: No. I'd take Wind Waker, because this is so slow.

EGM: Now you're changing your mind.

Parker: But that's a different scenario. You want to get the most out of it. You want the longer game.

You said kids know what they want at 11 years old.

The kid likes the game simply because it's a classic. He's totally missing it. You like a game because it's good, not because it's old school.

[largosama]

Kids are getting used to the graphics and that's why they see the old games as bad. Even though the gameplay is actually better than all that spiffy animated blood seen today, the first look at the game is what makes their impression. It confuses me, that it does

[KissMe2408]

You gotta understand it's just a different generation. These kids grew up with playstation instead of the first game boy. It's like our generation is growing up with cable tv and everythan, and it's like sticking one of the teenagers in a room and making him watch tv when there were only 3 or 4 channels available, and asking him which one does he like better. Cable or 4 channels of black n' white? Of course the kid is going to pick cable. He or she grew up with it..

On the zelda games, I personally love majoras mask and sometimes hook up N64 to play it. The windwalkers or whatever game i thought was dumb...I loved the majoras game because of the quality and how original it was, like the first one...but i mean, i grew up with the game and N64. I'm sure if someone asked me to beat the original on an old gameboy, i would say, "naw thanks, i'll stick to this one on N64"...it's just different generational views. It's nothing against the games or nething.

[burnoveride]

all i gotta say is if they said something about zelda we have to jump em, lol :)

[dahding]

stupid youngin's. they have no idea what old school style is all about. its all about, hacks and cheats and THE ULTIMATE FRIGGIN WEAPON ON EARTH! its getting annoying. wee little midgets playing games and trying to speak all 1337. sheesh. and they're all violent cause they have nothing else better to do with their lives. meh. cheats and excessive violence has promoted stupidity in youths. great...