more secular world, good or bad? Options

[DavidJ2318]

this could get pretty controversial

do you think that the world/US should be more secular (nonreligious, worldly, liberal)? (seperation of church and state)

examples could be like having the ten commandments in front a city hall or the use of the word 'God' in the pledge, etc.

personally, i think that it is fine right now. i cant imagine a more secular world where everything you say can criticized. i consider myself a semi-conservative

thoughts?

[iheartsimba]

Moved to Debate.

[DavidJ2318]

Moved to Debate.

thanks

[*xcaitlinx*]

wouldn't those examples be examples of NON-secular?

well, i personally think that it should be more secular. people are still prejudice against different religions whether they'll admit to it or not. also, since christians are the dominant religion in the U.S., they seem to think that they have the first hand to everything, where they can include parts of their religion in national traditions. (i.e. the national anthem) i take offense to "one nation, under god" in the pledge because you're supposed to get "in trouble" for not saying it. I purposely don't say "under god" because for 1.) i don't believe in god and 2.) i shouldnt be forced to say something that i dont believe in.

[Spirited Away]

<< wants to say something intelligent, but can't, because she's confused.

So you're saying that you don't want more secularism because you don't like criticism?




Since when does secularism=criticism?

[ItzOnlySydney]

definitely. it will cut down on some of the drama at our school cuz believe it or not a lot of the B.S. that goes on at my school starts with someone trying to tell someone else what is sinful of w/e.

[*iNyCxShoRT*]

LOLS i wish i could answer this but this topic confuses me, sorry but could you maybe break it down so it`s easier to understand lols.

[*mzkandi*]

In order to make a good debate topic you have to eliminate confusion so that the respondee can get to what he/she has to say. With this subject I have no idea what your talking.

Are you trying to say what do we think of America being a place without religion? Where nonreligious, worldly, liberal views are the only dominating factor?

Revise your question.

[aera]

everyone should be able to think and believe whatever they want to. they shouldnt be critisized for it. i dont think people should care so much about what other people think about religion and all that other stuff, because there will always be someone that disagrees. thats just the way it is. is that secular or non-secular?

[fameONE]

I'm firm in my faith but the political aspect of religion as a whole annoys the shit out of me. Anytime when you can live in a free country and still have someone of a different religion criticize what you believe, or vice versa, there is something seriously, seriously phucked up going on.

I'd much rather there be no religion at all if the presence of religion involves the unjust persecution of others. There's enough of this garbage going on on such a larger scale in Pakistan.

[rOckThISshYt]

Although I'm atheist, I have a pretty open mind. This is what I think.

I think that people should do what they are comfortable doing. I mean, religion sometimes helps people and I think that's fine. My mom (who is fairly relgious) tells me that even though she doesn't go to church or anything, sometimes just praying can help her make it through the rough days.

So basicly, I think that everyone should be open minded enough to accept all different kinds of views on religion and such and I also think that nothing should take over their life (religion, cults, etc.). So I don't think it should necissarily be more secular. Just as long as everyone's happy with their own beliefs.

[rOckThISshYt]

Sorry for the double post.

wouldn't those examples be examples of NON-secular?

well, i personally think that it should be more secular. people are still prejudice against different religions whether they'll admit to it or not. also, since christians are the dominant religion in the U.S., they seem to think that they have the first hand to everything, where they can include parts of their religion in national traditions. (i.e. the national anthem) i take offense to "one nation, under god" in the pledge because you're supposed to get "in trouble" for not saying it. I purposely don't say "under god" because for 1.) i don't believe in god and 2.) i shouldnt be forced to say something that i dont believe in.

I totally agree with you. The national law is that you must stand for the pledge but you do not have to say it. (At least in public school. I don't know about other places.) The reason I know this is because I debated and protested this whole issue last year. So I'm very glad this girl took it to the Supreme Court. So tomarrow when you go to school, don't say the pledge but stand up. If they try to make you say the pledge, say no and that it's your right as an American citizen to decide whether or not to say the pledge and that you are protected under federal law.

I also have tried to turn my back on the flag but they made me turn around. I don't know if that's illegal, too. But I didn't really feel the need to debate it. So yeah.

[Rikkiismyname]

Well I myself am an atheist so it all doesn't really bug me untill my friends and others start talking about like how everything we do is a sin and I'm going to hell unless I go to church and go to confirmation and stuff so yeah it doesn get pretty annyoing but I can deal with it since it's not on a daily basis. Yeah in my opinion the world, or at least the united states, yeah just the united states, could be a bit more Secular

[xXYouMeBedNowXx]

To me, I believe Religion can unreasonable and unbelievably undermine the audacity of the human brain and mentality. The influence that religion has on a person's morality, judgement, and thinking is almost absolute. Religion very much clouds the optics of issues that people are confronted with. They believe that their actions and functions are complete and completely accurate in what they do, and that their belief is absolute. This is where things come in. The inability for so many "believers" to accept that something could be wrong, then excuse their being incorrect by damning them of some sort by an absolution, which really really tips off our hats. The merit that the human being has above all other creatures on the planet is the ability to think, to reason. Religion undermines this merit by a great deal. Secularism is a go for me.