not one damn dime day, silent protest Options

[HongKongDong]

And it's very mature of you to not allow people to express their opinion. no, that message was only to funky buddha because he wouldn't stop his negative comments and we've already heard them.

How was I not letting anyone not express their opinions?

[Spirited Away]

No dear, he was quoting me and what I said to him.

[becomingAWARE]

i was against bush, then pro, and now im what my friends call a halfie. im sick of people talking about it, though. polotics are annoying, and i dont see what we can do...
its your choice to do it, but i dont think people should be influenced to do so..."/

[sammehmyst]

no other protest is going to change the fact that we're at war either, it's just letting other people and the government know that we don't like the decision they made. but guess what? YOU complaining about THIS protest won't change the fact that it's going to happen too. and i don't think that everyone in america will all of a sudden know about this because of this thread or that website, but i think combined they will both reach at least a couple hundred people.

I'm not necessarily complaining about the protest, thank you. I just don't support it. I think it's dumb. You are the one complaining pointlessly.

What you don't seem to understand is what you are doing is pointless. It won't do anything for us. That's why I don't support this little useless silent protest. It is not a complaint.

[magnificentmike]

he's not complaining pointlessly. there are others that are complaining about this protest. it's not just you.

sure, go ahead and not support us and say its pointless..

but our point of this protest is just to remind our religious leaders and our politicians of their moral responsibility to end the war in Iraq and give America back to the people.

and some others are posting with "I LIKE BUSH", when its not all about bush.

[runforfun529]

That would be utterly pointless to do.

The war was something that needed to be done. Plain and simple.

[magnificentmike]

really? do you feel explaining why it was needed to be done?

[Chii]

I think it's pointless to do it. Really it kinda is. What happened in the election happened. No one can go back in time to change it. It was a close election between Kerry and Bush. But deal with it. The majority voted for Bush, NOT Kerry. So Bush won and got re-elected. Get over it and accept it. A protest wouldn't throw him out of his term in office. A protest wouldn't make more people hate him. Get over it. Bush won by majority of those who voted.

actually...it not always majority votes that win it for someone, it only depends on who voted more for who in each state and that candidate would get the electoral votes which are tha votes that really count

for example, candidate 1 (c1) can get one more vote then candidate 2 (c2) in a certain state, then he'd get all the electoral votes there, but in the states where c2 won, he could've gotten hundreds or thousands of more votes but they won't count, he'll only get the electoral vote which could be three from wyoming but c1 could get like thirty-two electoral votes from texas even if he beat c2 slightly in the texas polls, the person who wins the popular vote (majority of the votes) usually wins the electoral votes, but it's not always true, it happened to one president but i forget his name

[Spirited Away]

using that logic i can see how it is negative, but i wasn't FORCING them to not post. i asked politely that they didn't, because if they would've listened to that request, there would have only been one negative post in this thread (that one) compared to all the ones we have now.

Well, how would you like it if someone just politely ask that you not wear the "impeach Bush" shirt? You could return their polite demand by not wearing the shirt or you could wear it because you feel that you have a right to do so. Which would you do?

i do understand your point though- if i try to silence someone else, that gives them the right to try to silence me. the thing that is making me angry though is people keep posting the same reasons over and over again. i feel like yeah, i heard you guys the first time. if one person said "that's stupid because it won't do anything", i probably would've just replied to that one person and moved on and not cared. but i guess i'll take your advice and copy and paste my response to them over and over, haha.

Yes well, to defend the other side a bit, I feel that if you would ask why they think it won't do anything then they might (I would, but I'm not sure about the others) answer you fully. But sure, copying and pasting works. But you are right in that everyone, myself included had you asked, owes you more of an explanation about why we do not think it would work.


I think it is appropriate that I ask you now what you think this protest will accomplish. Awareness? Yes? Once you form that answer, I'd like you to think about other things... Like I said, if enough people participate, surely you all will be happy that you raised awareness of your dislike but, as other people have surmised, there'll be other complications in the economic sense.

However, I think it's great that you all are standing up for what you believe in. Aside from the possible hurt to our market if too many join the cause ( and making it a win-lose situation for you), it's a good thing that people know they can protest.

actually...it not always majority votes that win it for someone, it only depends on who voted more for who in each state and that candidate would get the electoral votes which are tha votes that really count

Chii, if you reread what Euphoria Rose wrote, she actually says that the majority voted for Bush, not that the majority vote always wins as you've tried to explain. She was simply pointing out that the majority approved or agree to some of the things or a lot of the things Bush was doing.

[banddorko]

I'm not necessarily complaining about the protest, thank you. I just don't support it. I think it's dumb. You are the one complaining pointlessly.

What you don't seem to understand is what you are doing is pointless. It won't do anything for us. That's why I don't support this little useless silent protest. It is not a complaint.

well, using that same response, i could say that i'm not complaining about the war by participating- i'm just not supporting the war, "thank you". personally, i think this kind of protest actually accomplishes more than what comes to my mind when i first think of the word- a bunch of people rallying against something and/or someone, yelling and holding signs. if you think this kind of protest hasn't worked before, think of the stamp act of 1765, when martin luther king asked people to boycott alabama buses, gandhi, etc. for a pretty extensive list of boycotts that have worked, go here.
and i know that this COULD turn out pointless, which is why i said:

i don't really think it will effect anything unless tons of people get involved.

again, it won't work unless lots of people participate.

but, i don't think this protest has been spread around very well. i found out about it through a chain email (haha), and i haven't heard anything about it on the news. as i've stated numerous times before though, i started this because i knew more people needed to be informed of it if it was going to work.
oh, and to me, it sounds like you think ANY form of protesting won't help. like mike said we're doing this because (my further explanation of why i think it's a good idea is in the next paragraph):

sure, go ahead and not support us and say its pointless..
but our point of this protest is just to remind our religious leaders and our politicians of their moral responsibility to end the war in Iraq and give America back to the people.

lastly, i have two questions to ask you- 1) if i want to protest the war in iraq, what do YOU think would be a better way to do it and would accomplish something more? you keep saying it's stupid, yet you offer no alternatives. personally, i chose this because it seemed easy enough and the outcome (if it works) could raise awareness about the fact that a lot of americans DO NOT like the war in iraq. and since bush seems to care more about the economy (tax cuts! such a great idea!) than our american soliders dying, this might make him at least CONSIDER the possibility that what he did was wrong. my second question is why you so strongly oppose this protest? is it because you think this is REALLY REALLY REALLY stupid, or do you just keep responding to defend your view? or is there another reason? because i don't think that some random person's opinion on the internet is going to make me want to do this any less, just to let you know. also, i just want to inform you that i see your point (i'm pretty open minded) and i hope you see what I'M trying to get at too .

That would be utterly pointless to do.

The war was something that needed to be done. Plain and simple.

as i stated above, if you actually look into how boycotts have worked in the past, you might not that it was "utterly pointless".
and do you know that in the four years bush has been in office, north korea has quadrupled its amount of nuclear explosives? if you think iraq was bad and that going to war with them was something that "needed to be done", then we also should have gone to war with north korea, along with other countries that posed a bigger threat to us than iraq. but i don't really want to get into whether we should have gone to war or not, because we did and we can't change that- but we can voice our disapproval (which is what this is all about).

Well, how would you like it if someone just politely ask that you not wear the "impeach Bush" shirt? You could return their polite demand by not wearing the shirt or you could wear it because you feel that you have a right to do so. Which would you do?

i understand your point on this issue, and i can see how i was in the wrong. i shouldn't have asked people not to post their negative comments, but i hope you can understand WHY i would ask them to do that (it's so i wouldn't have to be writing huge posts like this to defend myself! lol ).

Yes well, to defend the other side a bit, I feel that if you would ask why they think it won't do anything then they might (I would, but I'm not sure about the others) answer you fully. But sure, copying and pasting works. But you are right in that everyone, myself included had you asked, owes you more of an explanation about why we do not think it would work.

that is another good point, but the reason i didn't ask is because like i said, i can see both sides of this, and i see how it probably won't work and how someone would think it's stupid and pointless. so i didn't feel the need to ask when i already knew the answer. now that i'm thinking about it though, i doubt some of the people actually had a reason to think it was stupid (some of them just seemed to be following the trend, you know?).

I think it is appropriate that I ask you now what you think this protest will accomplish. Awareness? Yes? Once you form that answer, I'd like you to think about other things... Like I said, if enough people participate, surely you all will be happy that you raised awareness of your dislike but, as other people have surmised, there'll be other complications in the economic sense.

i stated above why i'm participating and what i think it will accomplish (it's in my response to sammehmyst if you want to look back for reference). i have already thought about what will happen to the economy, and although i'm not very educated on that topic, i don't think the economy slightly dropping for one day will REALLY hurt us (to the point where it becomes a big issue, i mean).

However, I think it's great that you all are standing up for what you believe in. Aside from the possible hurt to our market if too many join the cause (and making it a win-lose situation for you), it's a good thing that people know they can protest.

thank you . you're an awesome debater, just to let you know. but, just out of curiosity, i wanted to ask you whether or not you're for the war and/or for bush, and if you think protests and/or boycotts in general accomplish anything.




oh, and finally, i just want to let all of you know i'm really not angry about any of this, so if i come off pissed or say something rude, it's just because i always feel the need to defend myself and "be right".

...and that's about it. longest. post. ever. whoever reads all my rambling... i commend you.

[norconlipentut]

money at this point is like a mythical creature, like a goat, that i'll never see, EVER!

[dani41790]

hmm im in

[banddorko]

money at this point is like a mythical creature, like a goat, that i'll never see, EVER!

well i guess you'll participate by default?

[Spirited Away]

i stated above why i'm participating and what i think it will accomplish (it's in my response to sammehmyst if you want to look back for reference). i have already thought about what will happen to the economy, and although i'm not very educated on that topic, i don't think the economy slightly dropping for one day will REALLY hurt us (to the point where it becomes a big issue, i mean).

Well, the impact on the economy depends on how many participate and it's not hard to imagine the consequences of a day of economic lag. A short term example, perhaps not very well thought out at the moment, is that the lag could be taken as an unstable economy which doesn't do well for investments for a few days. A few days doesn't sound like much, but trust me when I say that a few days could mean a lot of money.

However, at this rate, I don't think anyone should worry about the economy (unless, somehow, more than a fourth of the nation joins this cause).

thank you  . you're an awesome debater, just to let you know. but, just out of curiosity, i wanted to ask you whether or not you're for the war and/or for bush, and if you think protests and/or boycotts in general accomplish anything.
oh, and finally, i just want to let all of you know i'm really not angry about any of this, so if i come off pissed or say something rude, it's just because i always feel the need to defend myself and "be right".

Thanks.

I was completely for Bush, for war, however that was my hatred, anger and insecurities kicking at full speed. Now that things are mellowed out, I think still think that Bush was a better choice (not to say that Kerry's any less of a politician but that I don't agree with him as much as I agree with Bush). As for the war, I'm not sure how I feel about it.

[Rachel]

uh. well. this sounds like a novel idea. cept. im kinda like for bush. but not so much for the war. but hey, the man did what he had to do. but, like i said, great idea.

how can you say you kind of like bush?!?! do you know whats in your signature?!?!? hel-the-f**k-lo BUSH IS OBVIOUSLY AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE, if you're all for it then you probably wouldnt be supporting bush...

[runforfun529]

do you guys not understand that Al Qaeda was somewhat created by the united states?

[Spirited Away]

how can you say you kind of like bush?!?! do you know whats in your signature?!?!? hel-the-f**k-lo BUSH IS OBVIOUSLY AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE, if you're all for it then you probably wouldnt be supporting bush...

Maybe she "kind of like bush" for everything else except for his stance on gay marriages?

do you guys not understand that Al Qaeda was somewhat created by the united states?

"somewhat"? Like, one thing lead to another and we indirectly caused it... that kind of "somewhat"?

[Sumiaki]

You guys are torrid. Get over it. Just support the troops. I don't think they really need all this crap from non-supporters. I'm not too fond of bush, but our troops need our support. Something like not spending money in one day is really stupid. This can effect the stock market if a lot of people do this. That will effect our economy and then there will be a lot of unemployed people. That can be you, your parents, or someone you care about. This is just a really torrid idea.

[banddorko]

did you not read the website? it distinctly says:

"Not One Damn Dime Day" is about supporting the troops. The politicians put the troops in harm's way. Now 1,200+ brave young Americans and (some estimated) 100,000 Iraqis have died. The politicians owe our troops a plan -- a way to come home.

and one day of a bad economy won't put people out of their jobs... also, this obviously hasn't been spread around very effectively, so i doubt it will do much to the economy or the stock market.

[magnificentmike]

yeah, some of the troops don't even want to be there. they dont get much time with their families and other things like that.

[gigiopolis]

Haha, that makes me laugh.

[xxruinedsoulxx]

that's funny. i can't help spending money

[Shattered_Hope]

what makes you think I'm not gonna spend money? It's my b i r t h d a y jerk. Lol, I'd probably spend alot...like the years past.....

[angel-roh]

Why do we have to be silent. I can't stand the silence, I laugh it off... I don't know it just happens like that. I felt bad cause I was laughing during class time when there was this kid got hit by a car and died. We had a moment of silence, but I was laughing.. I couldn't stop laughing. I felt so bad, but it's so hard to keep my mouth shut. Don't say I'm mental. It just so funny cause my friends are making faces that makes me want to laugh so much. They do that just for fun and they know I laugh off easily. I didn't get in trouble... as soon I was laughing, my teacher was laughing too...then everyone started to laugh. It was so weird... but yeah. I felt bad again cause the other teachers blamed it on to my history teacher >.<;;



btw that's the day of my crush's birthday. Steven Byeon's birthday is at January 20

[runforfun529]

"somewhat"? Like, one thing lead to another and we indirectly caused it... that kind of "somewhat"?

It all started during the cold war. We were going to war with the russian people and the russians challenged afghanistan (sp?). Well we brought all our weapons over to fight with the Afghanie people. Then once we beat the russians, we left all our weapons over there which in the end was what the terrorists used to start Al Qaeda, so really, Bush is just fixing some other guy's mistakes.