gay marriages, UHHHH!! Options

[brandewijn]

I don't care.

People who are against gay marriage are against it for religious reasons. Or at least, that is what I come across most often. "Marriage is meant for a man and woman". "Gay marriage will ruin the meaning of marriage."

In my opinion, we straight couples have already ruined the meaning of marriage. If they really cared that much about religious teachings and the "meaning" then divorce should be banned as it once was.

I don't care what people do, so long as it doesn't affect me. I don't think anyone should be judged because they love someone else, period.

[tooeffingcrazy]

Not to seem sacrilegious but...

Religion sucks people in. They manipulate them to follow their rules, and force everyone else down with them.

How do you even know if "God" wrote the bible? How do we know he actually exsisted? We don't. That's what we believe in. You may believe in God and the bible, and i'll believe in unicorns and leprechauns.



If there is of any offense in this post, I would just like to say that it was my humble opinion.

[*I Shot JFK*]

Not to seem sacrilegious but...

Religion sucks people in. They manipulate them to follow their rules, and force everyone else down with them.

How do you even know if "God" wrote the bible? How do we know he actually exsisted? We don't. That's what we believe in. You may believe in God and the bible, and i'll believe in unicorns and leprechauns.
If there is of any offense in this post, I would just like to say that it was my humble opinion.

i'm not offended, but try to keep posts actually relevant to the specific debate

[tooeffingcrazy]

i'm not offended, but try to keep posts actually relevant to the specific debate

I love how you read between the lines.

It is relevant. I'm saying, why do we have to follow what THEY believe in? The only reason gay marriage isn't legalized is because of the christian majority. Without this whole religion/bible thing, they have nothing to back them up but homophobic remarks.

Next time, look deeper in the posts.

[*I Shot JFK*]

I understood your point, but it was so generalized as to not add anything to the debate, and is, in fact, more suited to several other threads in this forum.

What you posted in you second post was specificly related to the debate at hand, which is what was lacking in you first post.

[tooeffingcrazy]

So basically you need me to spell out everything I said. Whoosh, there goes your Eng. H. skills.


And just by the by, it's called a sub-point of this debate. I'm not going to repeat something 10,000 other people said. So far, this debate has been solely based on the fact that it's morally wrong BECUASE of the Bible. If you can't seem to see that my first post was referring to all the religious output, then I just can't help you.

Off-topic, end it, go on. I win.

[miceylulu]

think. the purpose of getting married is because you love somebody. maybe have some children with them. that is the goal of us humans, reproduce so your genes live on in future generations and keep the human population growing. can a gay couple make children? NO. Is this healthy for the human race? NO. What would happen if this trend continued... if all of a sudden 10% of the population became homosexual, then 20% the 50%... human race would be on a decline. Scary thought huh?

not to mention that gay marriage is illegal. take a look at this.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/marriage.html
however, the states do have a right to regulate this but allowing gay marriages goes against the definition of marriage. imagine, people getting married to animals, blow up dolls!!!

that's why it's wrong.

Animals? Blow-up dolls? Are you seriously implying that gays are not even PEOPLE? That is the lowest thing I've ever heard. How DARE you even spend moments to type that and share your ignorant thoughts with the world. You should be ashamed of yourself.

so you're saying that incest is ok as long as the two people really love each other?
so you are saying we can cross out the ten commandments? the old testament is there for a reason.
we shouldn't care... that's terrible. apathy is not the solution. if someone murdered a bunch of people, would you care? or would you ignore it because it's none of your business? would you be concerned that these people might be setting bad examples for children?

So you're saying that a gay marriage is the equivalent of killing someone?

[*I Shot JFK*]

So basically you need me to spell out everything I said. Whoosh, there goes your Eng. H. skills.
And just by the by, it's called a sub-point of this debate. I'm not going to repeat something 10,000 other people said. So far, this debate has been solely based on the fact that it's morally wrong BECUASE of the Bible. If you can't seem to see that my first post was referring to all the religious output, then I just can't help you.

Off-topic, end it, go on. I win.

You're ridiculous. and a sub-point get's more specific, not more general.

and miceylulu, please don't double post. If you need to add something else, use the edit button at the bottom right of your post.

I'll merge the posts together.

[sadolakced acid]

james, i think you need to provide him with a link to the bible, christianity, and god threads. Some people aren't smart enough to find it themselves.

anyways, i think miceylulu's problem was he wanted to quote two different people. The way to do this without making two posts is to click the [+] next to the quote button on the posts you wish to quote. then when you hit reply, all those posts will be quoted for you.

[xlexx07]

personally if it doesnt really affect my life i dont care at all. love is.....LOVE. so if u dont like gay marriages put urself in there shoes.

[*Uronacid*]

I'm religious. Therefore I'm ignorant. I don't look down on homosexuals. They can be whatever they want to be, but will I vote yes for homosexual marriage when I have a chance to vote. No, I will not. I will not vote yes because I'm religious. I don't care about the "equal rights". I don't care about "Love" (A subject that most of you don't know anything about).

I know that there two stand points you can take when interpreting what the Bible says about homosexuality. You have:

1. Conservative: The Bible condemns people who preform homosexual acts because it is a sin against nature.
2. Liberal: The verses in the Bible that refer to homosexual acts do not condemn homosexual acts. Instead, they condemn people who preform degrading homosexual acts upon others (example: raping someone in the ass).

This is my stand. Honestly, I don't know what the Bible is referring to. I have been raised to believe it was wrong, and there are very good arguments that support both. If you believe in God, condemnation isn't something you play with. If you believe in hell (eternally burning in a lake of fire) and how horrible it is, you don't do something that "could" get you condemned. You just stay the fuck away. You don't mess with condemnation. If you are a Christian, that is stupid. I'm not going to vote for something that could possibly be contributing to the condemnation of others.

sadolakced acid: You're a veteran of the second cB war... did anyone die in that war? looser. XD

[Kontroll]

ok, im not opposed to it because:

1. if they're getting married how is that affecting me.
2. When gay ppl "do it", they cant umm..."have it" (i think so newayz), and that'll keep the constantly increasing population of the world down.

thats all i can think of right now, did u know, just like until a couple of months ago i was VERY opposed to gays, it just sickened me, but ive changed my thinking (no i have NOT become gay)

1. Wow, very selfish of you. Yes, it does affect other people. People of different morals have different views on gay marriage. Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it's right. Very good logic there, by the way. Tard.

2. You're very correct that homosexuals cannot reproduce. Good observation. But, you're wrong about the 'constantly increasing' population. Firstly, the United States aborts over one million babies a year. And that's just the US. Think about China and other countries.

Have you ever stood on top of a mountain and just looked around? What do you see? Forests for 95% or more of the view. Our planet is not over populated or even close. You have a very sick way of thinking, you know that?

3. I think you are gay. Just a closet homo.

[NoSex]

I'm not going to vote for something that could possibly be contributing to the condemnation of others.

If they're a homosexual aren't they gay married or not?
So, if they're going to be "condemned" either way, and if "equal rights" demand that they be allowed marriage, and if they want marriage, why don't you support their marriage? Further, by denying them marriage aren't you also forcing them into fornication out of wedlock (given that they want to commit fornication)? So, since they are already condemned as homosexuals, wouldn't it make sense that, if your intent is to reduce condemnation of others, you would vote for same sex marriage so that they, as homosexuals, would not also be condemned for sexual relations out of marriage?

Or, are you just a bigoted homophobe whose mind is so small it hurts when two guys kiss?

[*Sandraaa*]

Most of you guys are perverted! Why in the world should you be thinking about how they 'do it'? Why should you be thinking about their sexual life? WHY?

Holy shit!

[*Uronacid*]

If they're a homosexual aren't they gay married or not?
So, if they're going to be "condemned" either way, and if "equal rights" demand that they be allowed marriage, and if they want marriage, why don't you support their marriage? Further, by denying them marriage aren't you also forcing them into fornication out of wedlock (given that they want to commit fornication)? So, since they are already condemned as homosexuals, wouldn't it make sense that, if your intent is to reduce condemnation of others, you would vote for same sex marriage so that they, as homosexuals, would not also be condemned for sexual relations out of marriage?

Or, are you just a bigoted homophobe whose mind is so small it hurts when two guys kiss?

I'm a bigoted homophobe whose mind is so small it hurts then two guys kiss. You hit the nail on the head. You're incredible.

In response to your other question. I'm not talking about the people who have possibly condemned themselves already (Who am I to judge, That's Gods job.). I'm talking about the people who will be influenced by the laws that will legalize gay marriage. Those people, whoever they may be, are possibly being condemned. Voting yes would make me responsible for them.

[elaboratedream]

I'm a bigoted homophobe whose mind is so small it hurts then two guys kiss. You hit the nail on the head. You're incredible.

In response to your other question. I'm not talking about the people who have possibly condemned themselves already (Who am I to judge, That's Gods job.). I'm talking about the people who will be influenced by the laws that will legalize gay marriage. Those people, whoever they may be, are possibly being condemned. Voting yes would make me responsible for them.

wait... so if I'm understanding you right here, you're saying that by making gay marriage legal, you'll be making people gay?? And thus condemning them???

*dies laughing* shit man... now I'm gonna have to go burn for the rest of eternity...

[bat19]

Josh is just mad because someone stole his Gay and now he has none left. He had to go hunting, I'm really sorry about that man. If we ever find that asshole who stole your gay, we'll force him to go hunting, just so he can see how un-gay it is, show him the pain you went through. If you want, we can go to Wal-Mart and buy some more Gay, I know your birthdays coming up. Would you like that Josh, some more Gay?

Im for Gay marriage and the death penalty and abortion and I couldn't care less about the environment. I aint liberal or conservative, Im confused. Let the Gays hold hands, let the retarded get the electric chair, LET THE RABBITS WEAR GLASSES, DAMN YOU!!! I am for the safety of carrots.

Greenpeace is gay, I want Redwar who's sole purpose is to kill all the animals after greenpeace saves them. That'd be hilarious. After an oilspill, all the greenpeace people get the baby seals and penguins and clean them up, then Redwar comes along and shoots them all. haha.

Im against Hippies and Pro-war white people. Im in a constant search for the middle. I hate skaters and gangsters, HATE THEM!!! Both sides, your music is terrible, stop being so fucking stupid!

Anyways, let the Gay(happy) people be Gay(homosexual) people.


THE END

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

I'm not making anyone gay. I'm just saying that by voting yes I would be condoning homosexuality. Therefore I would be contributing to the homosexual movement. My decision to vote yes would indirectly influence the acceptance of homosexuality. The more widely accepted homosexuality becomes the more homosexuals there will be. If I'm contributing to the acceptance then I'm indirectly contributing to the act. I'm not saying I'm making anyone gay. If I vote "yes" then I'm just contributing to the big picture. I don't want to contribute at all, I want to push it back.

The "homosexual movement," Josh?

There is no homosexual movement, because people who aren't gay don't want to have gay sex. The idea of having gay sex disgusts you, right? As it does most straight men? As far as I can tell, gay women having sex is far less off-putting, because there's no anal involved, but at the same time, it doesn't seem like it'd be anywhere near as satisfying as sex with a man. Thus, if gay marriage (or civil unions, etc) were legalized, I wouldn't run out and marry a girl, just because it would be legally acceptable. I wouldn't gain from it, because I'd get the same marital benefits if I married a man. However, if I were in love with a woman, I would want us to have the same marital rights as any other couple, because in this "free country," the government shouldn't be making moral judgment calls for me.

Just the same, having people be more accepting towards homosexuality, because a) if someone is gay, they should be able to come out without being tormented about it, and b) it's not contagious, so no one else is effects so...oh well? You shouldn't feel guilty about allowing people to further their "sins," because people will continue to sleep with whomever they want (within reason; I'm not promoting pedophilia or anything), but at least if they're able to marry legally, you can sleep better at knowing that there's fewer people having premarital (?...not entirely sure that's the right term for this) sex.

[Luciadus]

^I believe she is making the mistake of trying to change your mind, whereas you are just trying to state what your opinion is. In a way, you're both right, just on different terms.

Well, maybe she is not right. She is after all "I'm a we-tawddd." Oh well.

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

I wasn't taking things to the extreme at all I thought I was being pretty reasonable, because I was kidding when I said things like gay sex makes you cringe.

I don't feel guilty about "allowing" them to sin. They can sin all they want. They are free to do so. This is a free world. They make their own choices. I feel guilty for voting "yes", condoning it, and indirectly telling them it's "OK".

That's essentially the same thing, or at least when I meant, because I was referring to whatever you'd said before, but didn't feel like going back and quoting it.

Shouldn't assume everything...

You really know how to take everything to the extreme... *sigh* No, gay men having sex doesn't make me cringe. Anal sex is not something I enjoy looking at, but I'm not a homophobic moron. I was being sarcastic to the fool (Nate) who said I was. However, I do prefer watching straight people have sex when given the choice. I look at anal sex like gravity, it exists.

I don't feel guilty about "allowing" them to sin. They can sin all they want. They are free to do so. This is a free world. They make their own choices. I feel guilty for voting "yes", condoning it, and indirectly telling them it's "OK".

I don't believe they are born gay. Acceptance of homosexuality will only bring about more homosexuals. I believe that they are influenced by the environment they are raised in. Therefore, being raised in an environment where homosexual marriage is allowed will only increase the population of homosexuals. By voting "yes" I will be contributing to this. Therefore, I vote "no".

Mmkay, I strongly disagree, but there's another topic on this. but for the record, this is an assumption too...

And the premarital sex bit was a joke. But still the point was only that when you draw these lines, you're just condoning one sin over another.



Luciadus, what the f**k? A debate entails more than just a statement of one's opinions. I also don't get the "we-tawdd" thing; is that a reference to something? Um, but still, whether you agree with me or not, stating your opinion/trying to change mine () would be much more productive than coming in and making stupid statements like that.

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

Yeah, apparently not. Shame I can't just easily explain it. I'm not trying to change your beliefs personally, though. I mean, the point of a debate is to make your argument sound more convincing, so it should be persuasive...

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

*pats head* oh you poor thing.

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

Can't stop you *shrug*

[hypnotique]

There is no homosexual movement, because people who aren't gay don't want to have gay sex. The idea of having gay sex disgusts you, right? As it does most straight men? As far as I can tell, gay women having sex is far less off-putting, because there's no anal involved, but at the same time, it doesn't seem like it'd be anywhere near as satisfying as sex with a man. Thus, if gay marriage (or civil unions, etc) were legalized, I wouldn't run out and marry a girl, just because it would be legally acceptable. I wouldn't gain from it, because I'd get the same marital benefits if I married a man. However, if I were in love with a woman, I would want us to have the same marital rights as any other couple, because in this "free country," the government shouldn't be making moral judgment calls for me.

Fun fact.
You are so right.
The "scissors" sex is so awkward and so uncomfortable.
No pleasure or maybe she just sucked.

[*CowerPointyObjects*]

Wait, really?