gay marriages, UHHHH!! Options

[Spirited Away]

yup.  sooner or later.  i mean, elvis was immoral when he debuted because of his 'hip gyration'  that was considered immoral.

Right, but until that day, there will still be people aplenty who disagree with their life style.

it's going to happen. 

Sure, and I agree with you that it will because I've realized this for a long time. I mean, people weren't this open about their sexuality two decades back, but now it's just another hello when someone says "I'm gay" (depending on what kind of relationship you have with that person). But realizing that time changes how a person perceive things doesn't make me change my mind in the present. If sooner or later it will happen, it will have to be "later" for me, and I'm sure that's the case for many other people. Already though, I can see that I'm not against it as much as I was a couple months ago.

I just don't like it when homosexuals supporters jump at our throats for saying that we don't agree with their fight for gay marriages. It's not a big deal to me whether or not they get married anymore, but it's a big deal to me when self-righteous supporters stuck up their noses and say that I'm being closed minded or stupid for not accepting them. I have a right to complain as much as they have a right to complain. Yet just because my opinions differ from them, I'm suddenly an idiot who's closed minded. When such things are said, they drive me to the edge.

although, not in my state that still won't have a lottery to fund schools becuase it's 'gambling' and the bible says not to gamble.  there's alabama for you.

I don't understand that... care to explain further?

[sadolakced acid]

alabama is the "buckle of the bible belt" we are the state that has chief justices putting the ten commandments in from of the courthouse. we are the state that had tons of people turn out to support roy moore while he was costing us 200K in fines per day because he would not move the rock.

every year or so, when the alabama state congress is reviewing the budget and cuts more money from the schools, people propose a lottery. most states have them. big 6, georgia power. the state lotteries send all the proceeds to the school budget.

now, most people in alabama just go out of state to buy the lottery, giving money to the other state's school.

now this is alabama. the bible says you shall not gamble, and you shall not. as a result, every time the lottery comes up in the voting polls, it's shot down by christian conservatives. (mainly) there's progress for you.

did i also mention the progress in out consistution? alabama constitution
don't read the whole thing. just scroll to the bottom and count the number of admendments. and, maybe read some.

there was a widely supported movement to rewrite the consistuio. never flew too high


in my opinion, alabama will the the last state to allow gay marriages.

and a f***ing backwards state it is. well, parts of it. like roy moore. and the constitution.

[Spirited Away]

That's just damn right scary, if not annoying. But how's the crime rate in that state?

[Guarneri]

gay marriage = no no. the next thing you know ... people are gonna start marrying animals. hahahaa well maybe not...

i like the thought of the world becoming a really open minded place but not so much that abnormal things are being changed to become normal. let's keep what's normal just normal before we destroy humanity.

i don't believe in gay parenting nor do i believe in gay love.

[ComradeRed]

We should abolish marriage as a legal institution.

14th Amendment forces states to treat all people as equal under the law. WHY then, should people who are married get tax breaks, special privileges, etc., over people who are single?

If you get government ouf of marriage, then the gay marrige thing is solved. Marriage is supposed to be something in teh Church, and that's perfectly fine -- that's how it should be.

[sadolakced acid]

  In the year 2000 Alabama had an estimated population of 4,447,100 which ranked the state 23rd in population. For that year the State of Alabama had a total Crime Index of 4,545.9 reported incidents per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 15th highest total Crime Index. For Violent Crime Alabama had a reported incident rate of 486.2 per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 20th highest occurrence for Violent Crime among the states. For crimes against Property, the state had a reported incident rate of 4,059.7 per 100,000 people, which ranked as the state 15th highest. Also in the year 2000 Alabama had 7.4 Murders per 100,000 people, ranking the state as having the 6th highest rate for Murder. Alabama’s 33.3 reported Forced Rapes per 100,000 people, ranked the state 24th highest. For Robbery, per 100,000 people, Alabama’s rate was 128.2 which ranked the state 22nd highest for Robbery. The state also had 317.2 Aggravated Assaults for every 100,000 people, which indexed the state as having the 19th highest position for this crime among the states. For every 100,000 people there were 906.9 Burglaries, which ranks Alabama as having the 11th highest standing among the states. Larceny - Theft were reported 2,864.8 times per hundred thousand people in Alabama which standing is the 16th highest among the states. Vehicle Theft occurred 288.0 times per 100,000 people, which fixed the state as having the 33rd highest for vehicle theft among the states.

Alabama doesn't have that bad a crime rate.

the thing is, gay people are incapible of produciing a child. they adopt. that is why incess is illegal, because it is harmful to the child.

gayness may yet prove to be learned- but it hasn't been proved either way.

so truely, we have no right to say they can't marry (if gayness is genetic like race and sex. )

so let's follow the postulate that gayness is learned.

sure, it does come out something like a 'choice' if you say it that way, but the way i view it, it's there choice. we're not giving them licence have gay sex in public. we're giving them the tax break, basically.

either way- it should be equal. either gay couples get the tax break, or traditionally married couples don't get the tax break.

in a nation of equality, i think this is fair.

[Spirited Away]

If you get government ouf of marriage, then the gay marrige thing is solved. Marriage is supposed to be something in teh Church, and that's perfectly fine -- that's how it should be.

Aside from Churches... marriage can still be a cultural tradition and one could recognizes one's neighbors as husband and wife. I guess, then homosexuals would have to create their own traditions (or do they already have theirs?). However, wouldn't this be the same problem? As in, if I'm 'traditionally' married and is recognized as so by normal society, doesn't homosexual married couples have to be 'recognzied' by normal society as well?

What I mean is, federal/state law or no federal/state law, homosexals would still have to deal with human laws and ethics.

Considering that many already accept homosexuals marriages, there are still many others who do not accept it by tradition. Basically, we're back to the begining of this controversy.

the thing is, gay people are incapible of produciing a child. they adopt. that is why incess is illegal, because it is harmful to the child.

It would not be harmful to a non-existent child. If gays can adopt, so can incest couples. Men can have permanent birth controls in the form of vasectomies and women can have the same.

gayness may yet prove to be learned- but it hasn't been proved either way.

And that was my point: because it isn't proven, no one can say that we have to legalize their marriage because they were born with homosexuality. (Just ruling out that argument because I've heard it too many times).

so truely, we have no right to say they can't marry (if gayness is genetic like race and sex. )
so let's follow the postulate that gayness is learned.

sure, it does come out something like a 'choice' if you say it that way, but the way i view it, it's there choice. we're not giving them licence have gay sex in public. we're giving them the tax break, basically.

I'm giving the possibility that they have a choice the benefit of the doubt. Sure enough, I do believe in exceptions, so the only reason why I waiver in this argument is the fact that I don't know which is for sure.

If it is genetics, then it would be cruel of me to support a law that would ban their marriages. If it is not genetics, then I think that it would take TIME for me, and many others to accept their way of life.

either way- it should be equal. either gay couples get the tax break, or traditionally married couples don't get the tax break.

in a nation of equality, i think this is fair.

Well, they are two obviously different situations. Our tradition ancient, while theirs is new and can not be compared to something that has been around for thousands of years. Yes, that is as shallow as it sounds, but I mean it from the perspective of someone who values tradition.

Tradition changes, and as I've said, this kind of thing takes time to get over.

[aznxdreamer]

people should have the right to marry whoever they want.

[ComradeRed]

Aside from Churches... marriage can still be a cultural tradition and one could recognizes one's neighbors as husband and wife. I guess, then homosexuals would have to create their own traditions (or do they already have theirs?). However, wouldn't this be the same problem? As in, if I'm 'traditionally' married and is recognized as so by normal society, doesn't homosexual married couples have to be 'recognzied' by normal society as well?

What I mean is, federal/state law or no federal/state law, homosexals would still have to deal with human laws and ethics.

Considering that many already accept homosexuals marriages, there are still many others who do not accept it by tradition. Basically, we're back to the begining of this controversy.

Nope.

Without government laws, there ceases to be a controversy.

Gay people may not be accepted by mainstream scoiety, but that's not something we can fix. As you say, they can marry by their own traditions.

[Guarneri]

i think i'd rather live in an orphanage than be adopted by a gay couple. yuck.

it would SUCK to be the kid of a gay couple. the kid will be the one discriminated...
i would never let my child be married to another child raised by a gay couple. that brings up a lot of issues.....

DAD and DAD or MOM and MOM?

OOOOOH beethoven sonata.... NICE. hahaha i'm listening to the radio.. kinda late at night... hahaa... drank a cup of wine too... hehehe...<-retard

yeah... uhh anyways... credit card = mother's maiden name.

Mother's day...

SURE... let gay people do whatever they wish.......but marriage is not in their league.


THERES A REASON WHY some people of PENISes and others have VAGINAS.

[sadolakced acid]

and why, might i ask, are you against them.

you have provided opinions, but no arguments.

why is marriage beyond them?

[F1R3B4T]

i dont care if theres gay marriage, its not affecting me.
if they want to live their lifestyle, they shud be free to do so.

[jarnifer]

i think i'd rather live in an orphanage than be adopted by a gay couple. yuck.

it would SUCK to be the kid of a gay couple. the kid will be the one discriminated...
i would never let my child be married to another child raised by a gay couple. that brings up a lot of issues.....

DAD and DAD or MOM and MOM?

OOOOOH beethoven sonata.... NICE. hahaha i'm listening to the radio.. kinda late at night... hahaa... drank a cup of wine too... hehehe...<-retard

yeah... uhh anyways... credit card = mother's maiden name.

Mother's day...

SURE... let gay people do whatever they wish.......but marriage is not in their league.


THERES A REASON WHY some people of PENISes and others have VAGINAS.

it's because there are people like you who THINK that it SUCKS to be the kid of a gay couple or the kid will be discriminated...

if people stop making too much of a deal over gay parenting then eventually it'll become like how people view single-parenting nowadays...(which was considered NOT AS GOOD as having both parents)

gay parenting does not equal to bad parenting...

[Ze world is a Ma...]

I'm not opposed to it because...
1. I don't care
2. If you don't like the idea, then don't think about it.
3. It's their lives, not ours...

I don't know what religion they would be married under... Jesus was 'accepts everyone for who they are' but some people don't-- and some people are assholes and would rebel against it.

i agree see God is a hyprocrite he says he accepts everone yet in the religious community, they say that being gay/lesbian is a sin DONT U AGREE?

[Guarneri]

it's because there are people like you who THINK that it SUCKS to be the kid of a gay couple or the kid will be discriminated...

if people stop making too much of a deal over gay parenting then eventually it'll become like how people view single-parenting nowadays...(which was considered NOT AS GOOD as having both parents)

gay parenting does not equal to bad parenting...

NO GAY MARRIAGE = NO ISSUES.

GOD does accept everyone. It's the act that GAY people do that's THE SIN. NOT for being who they are.

HOW CAN YOU TALK ABOUT GOD LIKE YOU KNOW HIM SO WELL!? YOU'RE NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN!! don't you hate it when people who don't even know you talk **** behind your back? then YOU stop being a hypocrite.

[sadolakced acid]

no christians= no issues.


it is the christians that speak out the most against gay marraige.

god is a hippocrite. he will not save you if you don't belive in jesus, or him.

so i am 'doomed' according to christians.

HOW CAN YOU TALK ABOUT GOD LIKE YOU KNOW HIM SO WELL!? YOU'RE NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN!! don't you hate it when people who don't even know you talk **** behind your back? then YOU stop being a hypocrite.

likewise. i don't care if you're christian, if you're alive, you have not met god. and it's not talking behind your back. you heard it. it was out in the open. anyone could read it.

[Spirited Away]

NO GAY MARRIAGE = NO ISSUES.

GOD does accept everyone. It's the act that GAY people do that's THE SIN. NOT for being who they are.

HOW CAN YOU TALK ABOUT GOD LIKE YOU KNOW HIM SO WELL!? YOU'RE NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN!! don't you hate it when people who don't even know you talk **** behind your back? then YOU stop being a hypocrite.

I'm somewhat against gay marriages for the sake of morality, but your reasoning just left me boggled.

God accepts homosexuals for who they are, yet expects them not to sodomize because it's sinful? Well does God wants homosexuals to be unhappy?

I don't understand....

[lucky_clover]

i'm sorry but i don't support this gay stuff at all. i'm Christian so i think this should be illegal. it's gonna affect the future and what kids would think about this.

[lucky_clover]

no christians= no issues.


it is the christians that speak out the most against gay marraige.

god is a hippocrite. he will not save you if you don't belive in jesus, or him.

so i am 'doomed' according to christians.




likewise. i don't care if you're christian, if you're alive, you have not met god. and it's not talking behind your back. you heard it. it was out in the open. anyone could read it.

no, it's not true, God it's NOT a hippocrite. he never was.

[sadolakced acid]

you're right. god doesn't expect to be saved.

he was always up front about it- if you don't belive in him you can burn in hell.

[jarnifer]

i'm not saying that I know the Bible well or anything along that line...

but from my years of going to church, Sunday school, Youth Fellowships...

I've realized that we MAINLY are "taught" to focus on God's "loving and kind" attributes...

ex. Noah's Ark - It's wonderful how God decided to save Noah and his family and everything, but isn't he cruel to just kill off the rest of the world?

ex. To prove Abraham's faith in him by commanding Abraham to sacrifice his son...isn't that cruel? To force someone to "give up" their son just to "prove" how loyal you are...

ex. plagues on the Egytians for slaving the Jews (killing the first born child, etc.)
If the Lord was all loving then why would he even allow the Jews to suffer? and later the Egytians to suffer?

The list goes on and on...

I'm not here to judge God...h*ll..I'm probably blaspheming right now...but God will forgive us all...right?

I love God...but at times I wonder, "Are we blinded by what we've been taught?"

From what most of us were taught from the beginning, GOD LOVES EVERYONE!!! and i mean everyone...rapers, murderers, liars, cheaters....

Also, back in those days (Bible times) people who collect tax are considered as evil...so maybe we should abolish income tax and punish the IRS and the Catholic church in the past?

Polygamy and male superiority were considered normal and were supported...so should we all restore to the Bible times...

Also, the Bible only condemns male homosexuality acts (sodomization)...but never said anything about COMMITED relationships...therefore we shouldn't just shoot down ANY homosexuality relationships....

Lastly, the Bible NEVER EVER said anything at all about lesbian relationships...sexual or not....

God has given them up to shameful passions. among them women have exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and men too, giving up natural relations with women, burn with their lust for one another, males behave indecently with males, and are paid in their own persons the fitting wage of such perversion" (Rom.1:26-27).

Someone tried to use this verse on me about lesbian relationships....but then look at the verse below...

For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature (Rom. 1:26 KJV)

According to THIS version of the Bible it does NOT say anything about "women giving up natural intercourse"...it just says natural to against nature....
well sex without procreation being the main goal is actually "wrong" so women shouldn't use birth control?

You see? the first verse talked about homsexuality but the second verse you can basically interpret it differently...

So by applying the "since it's not written then it's ok" rule..lesbian relationships are OK in general...and MAYBE commited gay relationships but without sex...

Don't forget, the Bible is AGAINST premaritial sex...and the Bible never mentioned about birth control...so does that mean it's alright to use it? no idea...but by modern standards..we should...

Also, incest IS a "no no"...

"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..."
Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...."
Leviticus 20:17

Yet Abraham marries his father's daughter and remains God's favorite:

"And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."
Genesis 20:11-12

Pardon me for being rude...but isn't God contradicting himself then? Remember God is NEVER "wrong"...

PLEASE take a look at Matthew 19: 4-10
You will be suprised at what Jesus said about divorce...in this sense a lot of people in this world is going against God...and it's written "solid, black and white" unlike lesbian/gay commited relationships which are speculated and assumed by most as wrong...

I'm not saying gay marriage is right or wrong or should or shouldn't be allowed...but in the context of the Bible..since most of us are arguing based on the Bible....

Moral or not...varies between ppl...and their backgrounds...

However, if you're a Christian..remember one thing, it all comes down to...God loves us all whether we're sinners or not

Really, if you take a look at the Bible at a different angle...and you'll see it in a totally different view...

God may not be FLAWED...WE ARE...in the sense how we interpret His Words...so that's probably why there are so many "debates" and arguments...

Let's leave it all till Judgement Day

God Bless You All

[Devastation]

thank you.

[Spirited Away]

This is just an update on gay marriages if you all have not heard the news.

MSN link

Gay marriages that have previously been sanctioned has been nullified by the California Supreme Court.

[xmissrachiex]

I have no problem with gay marriage, it's not because I'm gay (i'm not)..it's because I believe gay people have the same rights that straight people do. A gay couple is the same as a straight couple in the sense that they love each other. And isn't that what marriage is about in the first place...LOVE?

[Angel_Cece]

so what damn im tired of this gay fuk who fuqin cares if they gay then they gay lef them alone... seriously