gay marriages, UHHHH!! Options

[x3chrissyx3]

Now, this really doesnt have a political thing to it, it's really my opinion and something that I feel strongly about.

For those of you who are American, and live in on of our 50 states, you know the controversial issue of gay marriages have been going around, and it's been legalized in California. The first gay marriage was in San Francisco not that long ago. I knwo there is a lot of opositions to gay marriages, and even our president of a free nation doesn't agree with it. I, myself am a catholic. I've been going to church everyday since I can remember and I still see nothing wrong with gay marriages. I went to a High School where gay people were recognized and liked, and people got to know them from a GSA...or Gay-Straight Alliance club. The way I figure, people don't like gay people because it's not the "norm" - and you're right, it's not normal, it's NATURAL...and there is a difference. I'm a psychology major, so I know thse kinds of things...being gay isn't normal, nor is being straight, bit I dont want to make this complicating to read, so I'll stop with that.

Gay people are people to. How would you like to be hated because you're 5'3...or 6'3...or have brown eyes or hazel eyes, or be a brunette or a blonde...how would you like that? I bet you wouldn't...because how can you hate people based on how they look if you dont know the person? Or, how about you were hated because you were too loud, or funny, or quiet...- how can someone hate you from just a generalization when they really dont know anything about you? How would you liked to be hated because you're gay...and nobody knows, or cares about anything else about you except for that one fact? I don't know what it's like to be a gay person in America, but I know in some ways it has to be frightening because you dont know what people will do just because they hate you.

Lets get a little more real. How would you like to be a parent and get a phone call at 2 in the morning saying that your son or daughter has been killed, and you ask the question why...and one of the answers was "because he/she is blonde" - how would you like to hear that? I bet that would make you angry, make you upset...because how can you kill someone PERIOD, but how can you kill someone based on something so small and insignificant? How would you like to be a parent who gets a call saying that your son has been tied to a fence and beaten to death all because he was gay. As all of you know in 1996, that happened to a 19 year old boy. Isn't being gay just as insignificant as being blonde? Yes, it is. Who really cares what you are or why you're that way...it just IS that way. ]

Getting into our country...I think that our government, and our president act like arrogant assholes when it comes the gay marriages thing. Now, our president has stated that he's against gay marriages because he's a very religious catholic...but um...isn't our government and church seperated? YES. Hello people, welcome to 2004...we dont live in the f**king early 1900's here.

I dont even know what to say...it infuriates me. If gay people have nothing to do with you...WHY CARE?! It's not your life, it's there life. We're free...we're america, and we're going against everything we've said to be right.

Opposed to gay people and marriages? Congratulations to you...just think about it a little bit. It's not as wrong as you thing is is.



A *very* pissed off,
Chrissy.

[silver-rain]

Wow, x3chrissyx3, very interesting. I agree with you 100%.

[x3chrissyx3]

well thank you...i get too emotional about things that people just dont get. but...i'm glad you liked it...

[kevinma03]

very well put chrissy. but just playing the devil's advocate here. the bible doesn't say having blonde hair is a sin but it does say homosexuality is. (atleast thats what i've been hearing in this thread)

[pyoon]

Read the Bible, don't rely on the people of this thread then. I didn't post here to begin with to change the minds of the readers, I just wanted to express what I believed in. It seems like everyone is trying to form some type of arguement against my point of view. I'm very narrow minded with this topic, but it's not like I condemn every homosexual I see on the street. Heck, I really don't care what they do with their life. But I disagree with allowing gay marriage in churches. Also, I always thought marriage between to persons was a religious right of passage. Isn't it really up to the church to wed the individuals or not? If it is against the beliefs of the church, then why should the church allow it? Go make their own church...or religion that permits homosexuality. Or do they just feel left out of the 159 million member religion?

[dat_da_busit_hai]

[kevinma03]

Read the Bible, don't rely on the people of this thread then. I didn't post here to begin with to change the minds of the readers, I just wanted to express what I believed in. It seems like everyone is trying to form some type of arguement against my point of view. I'm very narrow minded with this topic, but it's not like I condemn every homosexual I see on the street. Heck, I really don't care what they do with their life. But I disagree with allowing gay marriage in churches. Also, I always thought marriage between to persons was a religious right of passage. Isn't it really up to the church to wed the individuals or not? If it is against the beliefs of the church, then why should the church allow it? Go make their own church...or religion that permits homosexuality. Or do they just feel left out of the 159 million member religion?

i think the argument right now is whether the government should allow gay marriage, not the church. theres not much point in arguing against a church. besides churchs admit they are wrong all the time. Inquisition anyone?

[pyoon]

All the time?

Marriage is pretty much tied into churches/religion. It's a religious rite of passage. I don't think churches would admit that's wrong too. I'm curious, where would gays get married if government allows it? In churches or would they create some other place to get married?

[juliar]

I'm curious, where would gays get married if government allows it? In churches or would they create some other place to get married?

i dont kno, possibly a safe church, a gay church where no one would be abused or teased?

[kevinma03]

You dont need a church to get married. Theres plenty of nonreligious marriages. Where do you think atheists get married. All you need to do is go before a judge and sign some papers.

[*funkay_d0ryx*]

i must agree i mean.
it's their choice in the end and we all have the right to be happy, so should they. it's not affecting me in anyway so why should i appose. they have as just as much right as anyone else in this world.

[*funkay_d0ryx*]

why would god forbid 2 people being happy, just because it doesn't say it in the good book. like he said all you need is a judge these days and a peice of paper, but they should be allowed to be married in church just like any regular straight couple
- think anyway

[ xanqa ]

[chopstix-ninja]

i heard rossie o' doneled just just married

[mengster]

nice poll results

[thedilenquent]

im not against the gay marriages because well... people are gonna do what they want regardless of what we feel about it.

[*kryogenix*]

im not against the gay marriages because well... people are gonna do what they want regardless of what we feel about it.

but should they? should people be commiting crimes even though the law says you can't do it?

[aud_chua]

i'm not opposed to it for the following reason..
1. gay couples have been together for so long already.. it's not as if getting a marriage certificate from city hall will actually change anything.
2. the constitution does not say anything about gay couples being prohibited from getting married.. it actually says that everyone should have equal protection under the law.
3. the bible does mention god say that he hates gay couples or anything. the only reason churches are using this argument (imho) is because they don't know the real reason why people have been hating this group.. (it's because the greeks and the romans had gay people.. and like.. these are their rival groups..)
4. the government does not want this because married couples get tax benefits. that means more money goes to more people.
5. one other document (i forgot the name) states that people are free to pursue their happiness.
6. gay couples are just trying to be happy. that would be denying them the same protection and rights that staight people have.

are these reasons enough?

[peanutbutterbbb]

no, they should be able to do whatever they want.

[MaDxCowZ]

lmao! well - i think theres sommn wrong wit it...

[*kryogenix*]

i'm not opposed to it for the following reason..
1. gay couples have been together for so long already.. it's not as if getting a marriage certificate from city hall will actually change anything.

what if someone has been together with his dog for so long? should he/she be allowed to marry his/her dog?

2.  the constitution does not say anything about gay couples being prohibited from getting married.. it actually says that everyone should have equal protection under the law.

there is a law saying that marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman, but states can change the criteria, hence san fransisco.

3.  the bible does mention god say that he hates gay couples or anything.  the only reason churches are using this argument (imho) is because they don't know the real reason why people have been hating this group.. (it's because the greeks and the romans had gay people.. and like.. these are their rival groups..)

homosexuality is a threat to human kind. it opposes reproduction, that's why it's wrong.

4.  the government does not want this because married couples get tax benefits.  that means more money goes to more people.

and that's why george bush gave rebates to everyone, because he didn't want to give money to the people

5.  one other document (i forgot the name) states that people are free to pursue their happiness.

Masochists gain happiness from causing other people pain. should they be allowed to hurt people?

6.  gay couples are just trying to be happy.  that would be denying them the same protection and rights that staight people have.

read the point above

no, they should be able to do whatever they want.

we call that anarchy

[kevinma03]

I dont think theres a law that says its between man and woman.. maybe in common law but nothing expressly written.

[*kryogenix*]

I dont think theres a law that says its between man and woman.. maybe in common law but nothing expressly written.

i repeat,

http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/marriage.html

[*krnxswat*]

what if someone has been together with his dog for so long? should he/she be allowed to marry his/her dog?

What kind of counter is that? You can't compare human-human to human-dog.

[*eunie03*]

What kind of counter is that? You can't compare human-human to human-dog.

agreed

[radii]

hm 'm no good debater so there's no point in flaming me but here's what i think of kryogenix's post :

1. as someone has already mentioned u cannot compare human to dogs. human are mammals that think logically. there are different levels of love and i do NOT think there would be any human that would like to devote his/her life to a dog by declaring marriage with it. if u do know anyone that works like that i would very much like to know him/her. what aud chua was trying to say was that they live together because they would like to devote his/her life towards his/her partner. U don’t choose to live with your television, your toilet bowl, your tank of fish and your oven because you are ready to love and dedicate your life to them do you? that was a Very poor comparison indeed friend
2. thx for saying that for me mate. Yes the law may and is entitled to change with the times.
3. wow that’s a brave thing to say. Are you trying to imply that homosexuality would one day spread so much that it would halt all human reproduction? First of all it would not have mattered because with the current technology you can always reproduce the human kind without a so-called-proper interaction (in case you haven’t heard about it ; secondly how is it exactly a threat? Merely because it might stop reproduction? Then what about those that are infertile? That chooses not to reproduce? Are they also threats to the human kind?
4. that is absolutely irrelevant to the current discussion
5. one of the reasons human kind is special amongst all other animals is because we have free minds to choose what to do. True the masochists pursue happiness by hurting others. But hurting others isn’t legal is it? but do homosexuality hurt anyone? No. I do not wish to repeat what everyone has already said but homosexuality does NOT hurt anyone in anyway. Not that I have heard of. If u want to refer to that link u’ve posted before, here’s my arguments opposing what they’ve said.
a. the marriages are short lived only because of the social pressures the couples endure. That means that if they are treated like normal couples they would NOT have divorced / part so easily. It is not because of the homosexuality itself but because of the pressure they undergo every single day.
b. As someone has already mentioned does that mean that everyone with AIDS in Africa is gay? Or that we should stop them from marrying each other? Just that there is a high rate of health hazards occurring to them does not mean that they’re 100% prone to it and should therefore be banned from marriage.
c. (fact 3 and 4 are pretty much overlapping) simply put it’s just the stress homosexuals have to endure that creates this problem, and guess what? legalizing homosexual marriages = publicly recognizing homosexuality = lessening the social strain they go through = brings down that ‘fact’. Surprised?
d. With that point they’re trying to first assume homosexuality is WRONG. Because it’s wrong raising children to homosexuality is wrong too. Very funny. As for their last ‘substantial evidence’ isn’t it obvious enough that it’s just people like them that blabs about WRONG homosexuality that embarrasses those with homosexual parents? If the children’s peers aren’t taught that homosexuality is wrong why would they jeer at them? Would you teach your child to jeer at those with Down’s syndrome? No. if children is taught that it’s simply natural variations of sexuality between human then there wouldn’t be any problem like that to exist.
6. read the point above.
7. hm you do live by the law don’t you. does the law say you couldn’t love someone of your same gender? I don’t think so. At least not in my copy of it.