not to be rude, but... Options

[*Kathleen*]

and dont say im rude..im just getting my point.

When did he say you were rude? I'd like to see some proof as well. I've never spammed during my entire time here at createBlog - even when I was a newbie. I checked.

SOME mods write stuff rather off topic but there is no one to stop them. It's not fair that only newbies are getting warned.

Example?

If the mods don't like on what I said. I don't mind if you close it. Cause if you're the one who closed it. I will know that you spam too and you don't want anyone to know about it

[waccoon]

Okay, you say that we spam. Find me a link. Double posting? Find me a link? Find me some 'noob' that's been warned for spamming, and I'll show you it's justified.

[micron]

hey guys,
everyone has the right to question the management. its another way we can improve and serve you better.

when some mods say we can't double post nor spam, how come they spam or double post?
if they become a mod, do they have a freedom to do whatever they want and break a rule? i thought it wasn't fair for the other members. they get warned for double posting a lot or spamming and when some mods do that, they dont get warned...
so yeah just wanted to say that... that's rude and messed up.

im sorry you feel this way. please pm me and elaborate and ill see what i can do.

Coming from the biggest spammer we have?

that was uncalled for, especially since youre a staff member here. i think you owe her an apology.

[tootsie_kiddo]

i dnt think i ever saw a mod spam or double post. examples plz?

[Xijin_x]

I think that this whole situation is rather immature. First of all, how do you define "spam"? By writing an emoticon or a couple of words, does that make it spam? Sometimes that is all that needs to be said!

As for double-posting, i don't really see why that is a big deal. A little conversation between people on a topic is not a bad thing. After all, isn't this a f o r u m ?

And lastly, i can tell you first hand that several of the moderators here do abuse their "power". Using administrative privaleges to mess with someone they don't like is wrong! But sadly this does happen. One mod has a problem with someone, and the next thing you know, it's like they are "blacklisted" from cB. Moderators won't accept skins, tutorials, etc... from people just because they have a "beef". Like i said in the first line... immature.

All of this non-sense has to stop. I find myself actually changing my username everytime is have a little spat with a cB employee just to avoid the sensless drama they seem to like to create.

I'm not saying that all moderators and staff are like this. There are tons of wonderfully talented, aspiring artist and programmers here. It's just a shame that all this creativity is muddled by these egotistical cat-fights and pointless arguements.

- Xijin

[micron]

hi there,
thank you for voicing your opinions. please pm me with specific examples and ill see what i can do. i personally abhor power abusers, so i can assure you, if your accusations turn out to be true, these moderators will shiftly be demoted.

and i am saddened that you had to create a new account to remain anonymous to protect yourself from retaliation. forums should never be like this. idealy, it should be an open medium where ideas and perspectives are freely expressed without the fear of retaliation.

attached below is a copy of the moderator guidelines. if you feel any one of the current staff members is in direct violation, please pm me. and this goes to everyone, please take this chance to express yourself so that i can do something about it.

and those who have truthfully expressed yourselves, thank you. i hope cb will come out to be a stronger and friendlier community through this event.

GENERAL GUIDELINES
First and foremost, staff members are here to make sure everyone has a fun experience in these forums. They are here to help out whenever they can, contribute and make interesting new topics, and generally, be fun and nice! They also enforce the community guidelines, police the forums whenever problems arise, and act as mediators to resolve the disputes, mediators in the sense that they should never willingly participate to contribute to the problem. They are the solution, not the problem! They also police these forums in a sense that they lessen general mayhem by organizing and making sure that topics in their respective forums belong where they are. Another responsiblity staff members have is to promote the community "togetherness", by making sure everyone feels welcome, participating in the sitewide initiatives, and create some of their own. Generally, staff members have the gaurantee of the site's good grace and support in whatever initiatives, contests, polls they start. So be free and think of ways how you can play a central role in the fastest growing blog community!

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MODERATOR FUNCTIONS
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In addition, moderators have the power to warn members who intentionally cause harm to the community or perform actions deemed unacceptable by the community guidelines. This, however, should be used as a last resort. A private message should be sent to first time offenders informing them of the unacceptable behavior. Second time offenders may be given a warning. Only when there are multiple offenses should staff members resort in disabling the offender's posting ability or suspend the offender's account. The period of time for such action should never be more than 10 days. Send me a pm if you feel the offender's actions call for a more severe punishment.

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USER AGREEMENT
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Lastly, staff members caught abusing their power will be demoted on the spot.

[Spirited Away]

Hi Mr. Createblog,

While you retain the right to do whatever you deem fair to keep this community a fun place for all, I hope that you'll remember to hear the story from both sides. What I've seen so far is just good humored fun from mods and ill-humor ONLY when it is warranted. Perhaps being a moderator requires that they must keep on a smiling face all the time and forgo their own emotions, but that can hardly be done if they must face perpetual offenders to the guidelines. If you see a fault with being "mean" and "rude", to those who repeatedly ignore the rules of this community, then I really don't see the point of having moderators.

To be fair, yes, I have seen a couple of double posts here and there made by mods, but I've noticed that, at least, they're relevant to the topic and helps us to continue discussing it. If there are posts that are just plain spam then and only then it would be just to count it against them.

As for the comment Miss Roh made about warning new members, I didn't think that was fair. I understand that it's <sarcasm> hard </sarcasm> to read and abide by the guidelines when people repeatedly tell them to, but that doesn't mean that they should be able to get away with spamming, asking questions that have already been answer one too many times... etc. Unless there are other things that they are warned for that is unfair, I can say that I am grateful to the moderators for doing their job.

I am definitely not saying that all the moderators are saintly and have not done wrong, but I am saying that while they have fun, the rest of us do, too, with the exception of bitter people who've been warned and still can't take a hint. I don't know what you plan for these forums, but I certaintly do not hope to see so many repeated topics, people who can't form coherent sentences, spamming and the likes.

About mods who abuses their power... I haven't seen an example of it yet and I'm sure you would like to see examples, too, before making any decision about demoting. Maybe Miss Roh will kindly supply us all, or just you and the offender, with proof.

Thanks for hearing me out.

[micron]

hey thanks for such a thoughtful response.

i feel like i havent given the staff team as much credit as they deserve in my previous response. ofcourse they are the ones that make cb happen at a day to day basis and make it the enjoyable place that it currently is.

and i wasnt clear in my previous respons but when i talked of power abuse, i didnt mean technicalities such as what constitutes as spamming but the broader aspect of abuse. something like 'i dont like you so im going to make your life in cb as miserable as i can' kind of thing. and ofcourse the burden of proof will fall upon the plaintif, not the staff.

i value the staff team very highly. they were the ones that made sure cb kept on going through my 2 month absence here. and they continue to work very hard to ensure a quality and enjoyable cb experience for everyone. i can never express enough my appreciation for them. but its also important to give everyone an opportunity to express their opinions. its the only way we, as the cb staff team, can improve and better ourselves.

[*[2]Nekked*]

Xijin_x

you were "blacklisted" from cb for numerious accounts of jocking, so lets STOP blaming the mods for not accepting any more of your skins. you brought it upon yourself when you decided to lie to us with your unoriginality.

and yeah so you had one bad encounter with waccoon... you ridiculed him in your signature and avatar. are you going to tell me that's not against the community guidelines? because i'm pretty sure that falls right under member bashing.

All of this non-sense has to stop. I find myself actually changing my username everytime is have a little spat with a cB employee just to avoid the sensless drama they seem to like to create

you do realize thats probably against the rules too, right? changing your username to avoid being suspended for repeated moderator bashing? you keep complaining that the mods abuse their power when you have an argument with them.. but why dont you actually think about the reason you even got into an argument in the first place?


we've went over this many times, and honestly, i didnt see a reason to bring it up again.



anyways to susan:

you've yet to provide an example, or any other proof that the moderators have abused their power by spamming/double posting and warning others when they do so..

[shortiiex]

i never seen a mod spam only "newbies"

[wayne]

i dont spam.. and i dont double post.... iono who ur talkin' about.. but its sure enough not me.. and not alot of people i have in mind..

[wonmin]

I personally think.. the whole spam warning thing is bullshit.
You could be out for a week or even a day or two and miss out on so many new topics.
Especially if it was posted like months ago.. why bother closing the new thread, im sure half of the people havent even seen the thread that was posted months before.

And its the lounge.. dont you people talk generally about the same thing with your friends?

i think you should be able to talk about any random stuff in the lounge.

[sweetdreamsx3]

Yeah, I do see a lot of mods doing this too, but well I guess it's "okay" for them to do so. *shrugs*

[*xcaitlinx*]

i agree with you. a lot of people [including some mods] will constantly tell people "dont double post" or "no spamming" and then, the next minute, they'll double post...like emoticons..

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ooh yeah...ive also noticed A LOT that official members tend to do the same. they dont have any power over people, even though they think that they may be some big hot shot because of a silly title....

ok, s0 you people want a freakin` example...heres a topic where multiple people [no mods] double post lyk 10 times...especially airam [which i see a lot] and she doesn`t get warned or anything.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...opic=52875&st=0

[xquizit]

How about this. Can some of you post links to instances where mods are double-posting, spamming, or "abusing their power" because I'm not really sure what you guys are complaining about.

And another thing, if you really have a problem with one of the mods here, how about pming them or one of the administrators about it? That would be the sensible thing to do.

[*tweeak*]

ooh yeah...ive also noticed A LOT that official members tend to do the same. they dont have any power over people, even though they think that they may be some big hot shot because of a silly title....

ok, s0 you people want a freakin` example...heres a topic where multiple people [no mods] double post lyk 10 times...especially airam [which i see a lot] and she doesn`t get warned or anything.

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...opic=52875&st=0

wtf? airam posted only 2 or 3 times and they werent even after each other. thats not the same as double posting. why would she get watned when she hasnt done anything wrong? besides which, you wouldnt necessarily know if someone got warned because theyre shown privately

also, youre an official member too

i saw one ex-mod triple post yesterday, but he was proving a point, and someone merged the posts. theres a difference between spamming ignorantly, spamming intentionally, and spammng accidentally.

[Spirited Away]

ooh yeah...ive also noticed A LOT that official members tend to do the same. they dont have any power over people, even though they think that they may be some big hot shot because of a silly title...

One, you have the "silly title". Two, official members are just like members except for a few perks. Three, when a person think they're big shots, they usually have the balls/guts to back themselves. Now then, if an official member think they're big shot, maybe it's because they are unless you have the guts to prove them wrong, if not, quit whining.


Oh, and kudos to you Micron.

[Saeglopur]

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She could be talking about me... but I always answer with complete detail. Well, not always but something close to that.

[lovescream]

Everybody spams. Even you. And me. And you. And me. And everyone else in CB.

[Shattered_Hope]

the only time I double post is on A C C I D E N T...

[*krnxswat*]

i saw one ex-mod triple post yesterday, but he was proving a point, and someone merged the posts. theres a difference between spamming ignorantly, spamming intentionally, and spammng accidentally.

Actually, that was an accident. The site was lagging a tad bit and, being the impatient person I am, kept clicking on it.

[sammi rules you]

apparently some people don't know what double posting is.

when you respond to a topic again saying something different, that's not double posting.

double posting is when you post something right after a post you just made. for example:

girlygirl123: oh haha that's a funny joke!
boyishboy321: it is funny
boyishboy321: haha

that's double posting.

the only time we spam or go off topic is when the topic has nothing relevant to say. why would we say something relevant to something irrelevant?

and no one gets warned for spamming a couple times or double posting or making an existing topic etc..it's when they keep doing it over and over again when we've told them to stop. we don't warn on the first offense.

[sammi rules you]

nevermind this but i can't delete it cause nick said not to cause this makes me look stupid instead of him.

i clicked the stupid thingy twice cause it wouldn't go

[waccoon]

^ An example of a double post.

This whole thing is a misunderstanding, she made accusations without real evidence. Susan probably saw some spam once or twice and thought 'Yeah, all his posts must be like that'.

I don't know why there are people who say "Oh yeah I see them sometimes, it's usually an emoticon..", because none of the moderators spam like that.

[*wind&fire*]

cant we have the power to delete our own posts?