science vs religon, which one is important and needed ? Rating Options

[relicwcircuits]

religion is basically belief in our ignorance

[Teesa]

science is more important and needed, because all the research benefits our knowledge, and there is actual proof. religion is just beliefs.

[gelionie]

You spelled religion wrong.

Well, I think both of them are important.
Scientists can have their own religion too.

[Sumiaki]

Science.

Both cause violence. But overall Religion causes wars. For humans to advance as a whole we need science. Religion doesn't necessarily instill morals into us. Even the most un-religious person can see whats right and wrong. Religion just slows down the advancement of science. It's just my opinion.

[TreesTurnMeOn]

Dear me...this is a tuffy. Here it goes.

Religion...It is really really important to me and I am very close with God. (please don't be offended )

Science...It depends on what type of science you mean. I think most of science is just bullshit. Ex. The whole "We evolved from monkeys" epidimic.

It all depends on what type of person you are. To me, religion is more important.

Science may explain to us how many things happen but it is leading us to loads of problems, like the stem cell research and such. Most of science is inhumane and the only way I agree with science is if it is stating facts, not some mythological bullshit.

[*Weird addiction*]

To me,well uuh science is more important,considering the fact that i dont have a religion

1500th post,woot!!!

[ApunBindaas]

This is hard, no doubt about it. I think people who want a logical reason choose the scientific way because they want facts. With religion, it's all about faith

[Ataryu]

Well...if you want to get literal, then science is more important period. You can live with out religion, but you can't live with out science.

Science - The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

In other words, science is our ability to question and answer, to wonder and to keep wondering.

If we didn't have science we would be mindless drones. With out science, there would be no religion.

[can0_reo]

SCIENCE is Defintely more important than religion. Religious people that ignore science are ignorant, only trying to cling to old/outdated beliefs. My parents and grandparents are religious, but they believe in science.

I think scientific discoveries advance humans. Like we have been learning in AP Euro. People were extremely religious during medieval times, ppl lived in cespits w/ terrible lives, being worked like crazy just clinging on to hope that they will achive salvation someday after they die. Lives of the Europeans didn't get better until SCIENCE came along with Industrial Revolution and all the events after that, they lived a much better life w/ adequate food supplies and new opportunities.

It seemed wierd to me, how the serfs were willing to work for their lords w/out saying anything. I noticed that the only thing that kept them alive was the hope of salvation. Some ppl might say that it was good, and "helped" them. But that is wrong, because if they were smart they would have revolted. Instead of living the terrible lives they lead. That's why I think religion played a bad role, used by the lords use to keep the serfs down and control them.

If you and your family are in poverty, running out of food, dying. Praying won't help you. Smart ppl using science, finding new methods on agricultural production and ways to find food will keep you alive. No higher being is going to come down from "heaven" and feed you. Religion just help people become lazy and not do things for themselves.

You probably think, that I'm an evil person that hates religion or something. But I'm not, I'm buddist and I go to the temple often and I believe the saying that "No man in the trenches is atheist." But this does not mean that I think religion is more important then scientific discoveries. Religion has its place, thats true. But we would be nowhere w/out science. Probably only living to 60 before we die.

Also side note: I believe in evolution, and Charles Darwin's theory - Survival of the fiittest. Also evolution, is why Neanderthals were so ugly, humans get better looking as time progresses. (ignore plastic surgery - differnet topic)

[QUOTE] Denial is a very effective coping mechanism.

[darkphyre]

Science...It depends on what type of science you mean. I think most of science is just bullshit. Ex. The whole "We evolved from monkeys" epidimic.

Right... As opposed to the well though-out, logical arguments of Creationists.

"The Earth is only 6,000 years old! All the radioactive dating data are LIES!!!" (<- that smilie should have a frown)

[TreesTurnMeOn]

Right... As opposed to the well though-out, logical arguments of Creationists.

"The Earth is only 6,000 years old! All the radioactive dating data are LIES!!!" (<- that smilie should have a frown)

Was this supposed to be an insult?

[Spirited Away]

^^ If you didn't really know... yes, yes, it was.

It was an insult to counter YOUR insult so it seems fair.






"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
-Einstein

[sadolakced acid]

Science...It depends on what type of science you mean. I think most of science is just bullshit. Ex. The whole "We evolved from monkeys" epidimic.

that bullshit has already saved your life. it doesn't matter who you are. you're using a computer (from science), which means you are not shunning technology. which means, of course, that you have been saved multiple times by bullshit.

you might as well start worshipping bullshit, as it has saved your life just as much as god, if not more.

(yes, yes, sorry. i'm being harsh. but i just can't stand it when people say science is crap, or anything like that, and then sit there typing on their computer, and then when they get sick go to a doctors office, or ride in a car, or anything that science allows them to do.)

[Spirited Away]

(yes, yes, sorry.  i'm being harsh.  but i just can't stand it when people say science is crap, or anything like that, and then sit there typing on their computer, and then when they get sick go to a doctors office, or ride in a car, or anything that science allows them to do.)

Yea! It's funny though that they call it crap and they USE IT... haha, shows how smart they are.

[demolished]

can0_reo Dec 28 2004, 7:55 PM

Religious people that ignore science are ignorant, only trying to cling to old/outdated beliefs. My parents and grandparents are religious, but they believe in science.

I think scientific discoveries advance humans. Like we have been learning in AP Euro. People were extremely religious during medieval times, ppl lived in cespits w/ terrible lives, being worked like crazy just clinging on to hope that they will achive salvation someday after they die. Lives of the Europeans didn't get better until SCIENCE came along with Industrial Revolution and all the events after that, they lived a much better life w/ adequate food supplies and new opportunities.

It seemed wierd to me, how the serfs were willing to work for their lords w/out saying anything. I noticed that the only thing that kept them alive was the hope of salvation. Some ppl might say that it was good, and "helped" them. But that is wrong, because if they were smart they would have revolted. Instead of living the terrible lives they lead. That's why I think religion played a bad role, used by the lords use to keep the serfs down and control them.

If you and your family are in poverty, running out of food, dying. Praying won't help you. Smart ppl using science, finding new methods on agricultural production and ways to find food will keep you alive. No higher being is going to come down from "heaven" and feed you. Religion just help people become lazy and not do things for themselves.

You probably think, that I'm an evil person that hates religion or something. But I'm not, I'm buddist and I go to the temple often and I believe the saying that "No man in the trenches is atheist." But this does not mean that I think religion is more important then scientific discoveries. Religion has its place, thats true. But we would be nowhere w/out science. Probably only living to 60 before we die.

Also side note: I believe in evolution, and Charles Darwin's theory - Survival of the fiittest. Also evolution, is why Neanderthals were so ugly, humans get better looking as time progresses.  (ignore plastic surgery - differnet topic) 

TRUE ! i never thought religon makes people lazier. i also never thought people rely to God that much. excellent explantion. i learn a couple of opinins from yours belives!

[melancholyfruiti...]

Is religion or science important? I think...they are both important. Without religion, we would've never gotten to where we are--little, if no morals, virtues, sense of what's right and wrong, and the like. In my opinion, we'd be in a lot of trouble if we were without those. People running amuck, killing what they wished, doing what they wanted--no sense of order. (Why would the government or police be any different if nothing taught them to be virtuous?)

Think back, far back in the Middle Ages...if there was no religion, people would have no purpose. Their only hope was to live as best they could (which was horribly at most) for a chance at salvation. Then, religion was their life. Religion that stated morality and what was right. The same religion that influences many of us today, consciously or not. What do they have to do with us, you ask? A seedling with weak roots cannot grow into a stable tree, can it?

Don't get me wrong, I love science--knowing why things work the way they do and applying that knowledge. Without science, we'd have no technology and that would be simply horrid, no? Imagine, no way of getting food (tools are a form or technology, more or less), less communication; life would be much more difficult. Diseases would wipe out entire continents, and I wouldn't be able to enjoy the special effects of my favorite movie. Science has many practical uses for the individual as well as the whole. It makes life more understandable, in a way.

They say...religion is cosmic purpose and science is cosmic order. Both are important in various ways, each with their pros and cons. To ask which is more important is somewhat like asking which is better, apples or oranges. They're two different things with different uses.

Some final words. All of the above is my opinion, my speculation. I'm neither a devoutly religious person nor a grounded scientist, but a bit of both. Everyone will most likely have their own ideas, stemming from their differing backgrounds and personality. I do not intend to force these thoughts onto you, but humbly ask you to consider it all--consider with an open mind. (I didn't elaborate much on science, seeing how many other posts defend it already.) As for the overlapping beliefs, I believe them both. Perhaps they connect somehow, someway. Flame me, if you will--everyone does.

[Spirited Away]

They say...religion is cosmic purpose and science is cosmic order. Both are important in various ways, each with their pros and cons.

I like that idea, but what about those without religion? Do we not have purpose?

[can0_reo]

Oranges are better.

Religion = false hope, set of guides to live life, by the government. For us to OBEY! lol.
Science is still better.






[QUOTE] "realization that, to put it as mildly as possible, millions of English men, women, and children were living in shit." - My history book

[melancholyfruiti...]

I like that idea, but what about those without religion? Do we not have purpose?

*blinks* I guess you'll just have to find some other purpose... (or just live life to the fullest?) o.o; But still, you have morals and such, no? Those were most likely formed through religion.

As for the false hope thing.... Are you sure? There are people out there who truly do believe in a heaven and the other place or reincarnation and such. And um, I think you've got that government part mixed up with laws. Perhaps our government was formed with some influence from religion, but religion is not wholly our government. It came with that separation of Church and State thing, if I recall correctly.

One last thing. Religion and science are two different things. With different variables. Different uses. Different aims. Too many things that vary. If we take out the foundation of our values, what would happen? If we never "got smarter" and make tools, where would we be? Religion reigned then, science now. Past and present. (Not that religion isn't still here, I just find it...not what it once was?)

All I'm trying to say is, if you're trying to find one definite answer. One certain, no opposition, crushing answer...I don't think there's one. (Seeing it varies per person) Perhaps for someone whose life isn't all that great, religion is more important. Maybe for a practical person, it's science. (Now, in no way am I saying all or only these people are like that.) As for me, I like both science and religion. Perhaps science a bit more, but...I can't ignore religion.

I'd have agreed with oranges too. ^.^ But that's just me.

[abstracted]

I don't think that you can say one is more important than the other. Religion and science depend on each other, even if it's only a little bit.

I'm not very religious, to be honest...I participate in all the religious festivals, but I've began to just doubt religion, mostly because my life hasn't been too great. So, I don't think that people who think religion is more important have not-so-great lives.

I'm more practical...science is definitely important.
I've read Angels and Demons...I dunno how much is true, but it makes so much sense to me that maybe energy is God. After all...isn't God who created the world? So, according to science, energy was involved in the creation of the universe.
If any of that is true...then science and religion can't be thought of as two completely different things. They're both important.

To ask which is more important is somewhat like asking which is better, apples or oranges. They're two different things with different uses.

Exactly! But...I like oranges. ^_^ I love orange juice, too....

Religion isn't false hope--it's given hope to so many people, and it has saved lives in its own ways.

I couldn't answer this...I'd say science, but without religion, science can come to destroy morals. We don't really think twice when we find something bigger, faster, and smarter, do we?

[comeupon]

Science...It depends on what type of science you mean. I think most of science is just bullshit. Ex. The whole "We evolved from monkeys" epidimic.

No but the whole a greater being created everything is much more plausible right? At this point with the fact being proven that micro evolution exists the idea that macro evolution could have occured is much more plausible than the fact that a greater being created the universe. I think somebody touched on it earlier but without science we probably wouldnt be here right now. If you didnt recieve all the vaccinations you did as a baby you could have easily died from a diease that was basically stopped ages ago. Science has virtually eliminated diseases such as the black plague and polio. How would you like having polio right now. You very well could be if science as you so put is bullshit. How do you think you get the food you eat? Over the years farmer and scientists have been able to develop techniques that help purify the food you eat, help develop new techniques of finding food, and even new techniques of how to prepare it. Science helps prepare the world for emergencies that could happen. You know how many people are saved a year from meteorologists, geologists, seismologists and etc when they predict natural disasters.

[Spirited Away]

*blinks* I guess you'll just have to find some other purpose... (or just live life to the fullest?) o.o; But still, you have morals and such, no? Those were most likely formed through religion.

...

Oh, I'm fully aware of my own purpose in life and I have strong values and ethics, however, they did not resulted from any one specified religion. But I digress.

What about those who lived before religion. Did they not have purpose? My question was intended to expand the idea of what "they say" about religion being a cosmic purpose. Do you think religion begets morality?

[can0_reo]

*blinks* I guess you'll just have to find some other purpose... (or just live life to the fullest?) o.o; But still, you have morals and such, no? Those were most likely formed through religion.

I dissagree on that too. To some ppl morality can depend on their religion. But ppl w/out a religion can definitly be moral. And there are millions of ppl that DO have a religion that are NOT moral. If you compare a kid that goes to church every weekend w/ a kid thats never been to church. It doesn't mean that the kid that goes to church will turn out more moral. (usually when a kid is forced to go to church) It comes from w/in. Its like "you can take the girl out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the girl."

I agree w/ comeupon, 100%.

Religion isn't false hope--it's given hope to so many people, and it has saved lives in its own ways.

I still think it is false hope. I never said it didn't give ppl hope. And true - life isn't good w/out hope. But the hope is fake. God isn't going to come and save your life if you are broke and living on the streets. Then all of a sudden become rich again. You have to do that yourself. And trust yourself. - be smart. You can't depend on the guy up there all the time.

[darkphyre]

Was this supposed to be an insult? 

No. It was supposed to point out that you don't know what you're talking about.

[*Zyryll*]

science vs. religion. HAHA great topic.

okay... well since religion is always right. (that's what i was taught at chuch) i think, religion is better!