DS or PSP Options

[*kryogenix*]

i havent heard much of this psp thing, but the ds looks pretty cool. however, i just got a free game boy xp, so im not getting any new game systems anytime soon

it's sp not xp

i chose that because based on the comparison that the magazine did the nintendo was better. Now, if the magazine had made it sound as if the psp was better, then that would have been my choice...
does that make sense??

no it doesn't. you're letting the magazine think for you. i came to the conclusion that the DS is better on my own research, not because some magazine says it is.

[pandamonium]

yea you shouldnt look a magazines advice for opinion its what applies to you.. you only look to the magazine to see what features or abilities the product has.

[nas]

One magazine isn't gonna cut it either. You need way more than one source in order to get past most of the bias and form your own opinion.

[miss barnes]

oh my goodness peoples...i just made two comments & it turned into more than it was meant to be....i really could care less which is better because i dont care for neither...i adore my ps2...i just said why i voted for the ds.........*hides in the corner*

[*tweeak*]

it's sp not xp



no it doesn't. you're letting the magazine think for you. i came to the conclusion that the DS is better on my own research, not because some magazine says it is.

i know, i was talking about what window versions i had at the same time, so i got confused

[nas]

(I always almost say xp as well =x)

Hot shit the PSP came out in Japan! Here's a few of my questions answered:
What will the battery time be?
4-5 hours for Video watching through UMD.
4-6 hours average for gameplay through UMD.
4 hours with headphones and 50% volume, no WIFI and highest screen brightness (180 cd/m2).
6 hours with headphones and 50% volume, no WIFI and lowest screen brightness (80 cd/m2).

What does the PSP's analog controller feel like?
Like the PS2's analog controller. It has the same sensitivity (resolution).
"The PSP feels comfortable in the hand, with all the buttons, and the analogue thumb pad, falling right into place. We actually found the analogue thumb pad to be perfectly situated for making our pointer fingers fall onto the shoulder buttons"



And here's the Value Pack, an estimated $242. (I'll be saving up for this)



Mmmmmmmm.
For fans of Final Fantasy VII, there will be four follow ups:
Advent Children - a movie playable on the PSP(so it'll be on UMD)
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII - Another action RPG for the PSP
Final Fantasy VII Before Crisis - another game for the handheld
Dirge of Cerberus - this one for the PS2

& here's some screens of PSP's graphics:

Armored Core: Formula Front


Lumines


Dynasty Warriors




I've made my final decision.

[*kryogenix*]

i was told by several users of slashdot that sony's battery estimates are far from conservative. real battery life would be from 1-2 hours.

the problem is the UMD. the battery needs to power the laser and motor to keep reading the disc. Also, that huge screen needs to suck a lot of battery power.

Price will most likely be rounded up to $250 when it hits the states (they always like to sell at a round number)

and dynasty warriors is coming out for the DS too.

[edit]

oh my. http://www.gamespot.com/psp/sports/hotshot...ws_6114909.html

Based on our estimates and a few battery-draining tests, Ridge Racers seems to last somewhere between 90 minutes and three hours

depending on brightness.

90 minutes for a game? That is TERRIBLE.

And loading time. That won't be very cool.

edit again: 90 minutes, and that's without WiFi. Imagine what it would be with WiFi.

/me shudders

[*kryogenix*]

bump, if you haven't read the edit i made to the above post.

sigh, i edited to avoid double posting, but i've done so anyway

[nas]

bump, if you haven't read the edit i made to the above post.

sigh, i edited to avoid double posting, but i've done so anyway

Who cares (about the double posting)

"...between 90 minutes and 3 hours" ;)

Not saying it'll last 3 hours, but it's not concrete either that it's only 90 minutes. ;P


I'm dishing out like 300$ for this, starting to save..... NOW.
& if anything, I'll probably invest in an extra battery... like I did with my digi cam. If it's put to good use, I don't mind paying for it.

[nas]

Oh and - (double post, deal)

Judging by my preference of games, I probably won't be playing anything like Ridge Racers. Then again... what's included in "...graphically intensive games..."

[*kryogenix*]

Who cares (about the double posting)

"...between 90 minutes and 3 hours" ;)

Not saying it'll last 3 hours, but it's not concrete either that it's only 90 minutes. ;P


I'm dishing out like 300$ for this, starting to save..... NOW.
& if anything, I'll probably invest in an extra battery... like I did with my digi cam. If it's put to good use, I don't mind paying for it.

the battery is an internal li-ion battery, so I don't think you'll be able to change it (kinda like the deal with the iPods).

[nas]

Nope, you can buy extra batteries for it. It's selling for around $45 right now in Japan. http://psp.ign.com/articles/560/560950p1.html

[*kryogenix*]

Nope, you can buy extra batteries for it. It's selling for around $45 right now in Japan. http://psp.ign.com/articles/560/560950p1.html

Even still, it's a bit of a nuisance to have to stop play to insert new batteries every 1-3 hours.

[*kryogenix*]

Double post :(

http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=4010

Defective PSPs. Remember, when you buy one (goes for both DS and PSP), keep the receipt in case you get a defective product.

However, this does raise the issue of durability. The DS did have it's problems, but it was only a handfull of units that had dead pixels, which is a problem ALL lcd devices have.

Here's a list of the problems the PSP is having, for those who do not wish to click the link:

# Analog nubs not just not working, but actually falling off.
# PSP is turned on, but does not start up.
# Screen has air bubbles.
# Screen has dust on the inside.

Also, as for the UMD drive problems, some have reported the drive not closing completely, and the UMD, when the PSP is twisted, actually flies out!

That raises some concerns with me. Did Sony skimp on quality in order to get the PSP at the price it is? How long will your PSP last? Before the screen gets scratched, before the analog nub falls off, before the umd drive ceases to function.

The DS does not have this problem. The DS has a clamshell design, so the screen is protected. Nintendo gives you an extra stylus in case you lose one. The DS uses flash carts, so there are no moving parts that can break.

Nintendo has been known for high quality products, while Sony is infamous for broken playstations.

Will a PSP be a good investment? Let's just hope the warranty is long.

All things considered, the DS is a better investment to me.

[edit]http://www.gamesarefun.com/consoles/psp/pspdefect1.mov

that's a video of a guy playing a psp, but since it shakes too much, the UMD popped out.

not a pleasant thing.

[nas]

It's a handheld, I'm not gonna sit on my ass for anywhere near 2 hours(well, movie maybe). Battery changing no prob. Like I said, I view this like my other baby(digi cam). You know how much I use that thing.. I love it to death and I have no qualms changing batteries, even when I'm shooting something important. And anyway, I've gotten used to knowing/estimating(not like you'd need to estimate for the PSP) the life of batteries so I never hit the low-battery signal. And I pretty much always know to keep the spare fully charged. I'd know better than to expect to play for a while when I only have half the battery life left.

However, this does raise the issue of durability. The DS did have it's problems, but it was only a handfull of units that had dead pixels, which is a problem ALL lcd devices have.

Most retailers are stressing the fact that these problems don't occur in the majority of PSPs, but take caution in importing until Sony gives an official announcement.

Hold on the imports and wait for the US release :) Your warranty, I'm sure, will be easier to work with.

The DS does not have this problem. The DS has a clamshell design, so the screen is protected. Nintendo gives you an extra stylus in case you lose one. The DS uses flash carts, so there are no moving parts that can break.

I know the Value pack provides a case(does the non-value offer it too?), not much of one if you drop it, but a case none the less. It should prevent scratches and the like when the PSP is placed in your bag or something. Screen protection? Check! Extra stylus? What stylus?

Nintendo has been known for high quality products, while Sony is infamous for broken playstations.

This sadly, is true, but this argument just takes you back to the whole Sony vs. Nintendo argument. Anyway, I haven't heard of anyone ditching their PS2 because of faulty hardware and the likes, not saying there aren't people that complain about it. I'm saying, I myself have never come across anyone who's completely abandoned their Sony product.

All things considered, the DS is a better investment to me.

All things considered, I can't freakin wait to get my hands on a PSP!

[*kryogenix*]

It's a handheld, I'm not gonna sit on my ass for anywhere near 2 hours(well, movie maybe). Battery changing no prob. Like I said, I view this like my other baby(digi cam). You know how much I use that thing.. I love it to death and I have no qualms changing batteries, even when I'm shooting something important. And anyway, I've gotten used to knowing/estimating(not like you'd need to estimate for the PSP) the life of batteries so I never hit the low-battery signal. And I pretty much always know to keep the spare fully charged. I'd know better than to expect to play for a while when I only have half the battery life left.

What I have in mind for the DS is when I have no choice but to sit on my ass for more than two hours. Plane rides, long car trips and the like.

If the battery life is acceptable to you, obviously I'm not going to change your mind. But to me, 90 minutes is just unacceptable.

I know the Value pack provides a case(does the non-value offer it too?), not much of one if you drop it, but a case none the less. It should prevent scratches and the like when the PSP is placed in your bag or something. Screen protection? Check! Extra stylus? What stylus?

i think lik-sang.com mentioned the DS will come with an extra stylus.

All things considered, I can't freakin wait to get my hands on a PSP!

Did you consider the video with the UMD popping out?

Arrrgh, I feel like I'm turning into a nintendo salesman

[nas]

It's not expected to last only 90 minutes. It depends on what you're doing(games, movies, MP3's), settings, etc.

I'm saying the PSP doesn't have anything extra, to lose, so no worries about a missing stylus. Doesn't really help the argument if GC has an extra stylus or not.

And the UMD popping out? As that site said, it's not a problem in the majority of PSPs, just like the problem with the DS is only on a few. I bet you're going to have to worry about it if you're an aggressive player, which I don't really think I am.

And think about it, there's always gonna be those few faulty hardware. This is the first release. We can only hope the number of problems will decrease by the time it comes to the US.


...And what happened to the Nintendo fan in me =/

[kris_fox17]

personally i would pick the psp because first of all the games are way better (final fantasy) the graphics surpass the ds, it's sleek design, and it's features. i'm definently going to save up some some money to get myself a psp (already reserved my copy!!!)

[ThunderEvermore]

personally i would pick the psp because first of all the games are way better (final fantasy) the graphics surpass the ds, it's sleek design, and it's features. i'm definently going to save up some some money to get myself a psp (already reserved my copy!!!)

FF is going to be on the DS as well.

The DS has a fairly sleek cool design.

The DS features tap more into gaming than the PSPs media driven features.

[lpmatt618]

You guys havent heard of the PSP because it doesnt come out in America till March 2005.

The PSP has mp4 abilities, online, video gaming.

It is basically the Nintendo DS just twenty times better. It also has a lot better graphics and more games actually. It was released in Japan this month. Its estimated to be about 200 bucks or so. It's basically Playstation in a gameboy form.




If any of you wanna know more...check this out.

http://psp.ign.com/

Know stuff before you talk.

[nas]

You guys havent heard of the PSP because it doesnt come out in America till March 2005.

The PSP has mp4 abilities, online, video gaming.

It is basically the Nintendo DS just twenty times better. It also has a lot better graphics and more games actually. It was released in Japan this month. Its estimated to be about 200 bucks or so. It's basically Playstation in a gameboy form.



If any of you wanna know more...check this out.

http://psp.ign.com/

Know stuff before you talk.

Know stuff before you talk.

Read stuff before you post.





I want my PSP, but I know I'll be missing out on some good DS games. Ah well. Sacrifices.

[*kryogenix*]

look at how many fingerprints are on that screen.

lpmatt618,

NO.

[kris_fox17]

FF is going to be on the DS as well.

The DS has a fairly sleek cool design.

The DS features tap more into gaming than the PSPs media driven features.

i know.... but i'm all about eye candy and the ds doesn't do it for me. i'm tired of the same handheld graphics nintendo has, i'm ready for the next big thing (something different) and in this case that would have to be the psp!!!

[ThunderEvermore]

i know.... but i'm all about eye candy and the ds doesn't do it for me. i'm tired of the same handheld graphics nintendo has, i'm ready for the next big thing (something different) and in this case that would have to be the psp!!!

The graphics on the DS are far greater than any gameboy. Despite them being sub-PSP (Or so they say, I still kind of doubt anything close to PS2 caliber graphics, which arent all that good in the first place), its still far greater than an N64 or even a Playstation. This is a HUGE jump in not only handheld gaming, but cartridge gaming as well.

Anyway, even the prettiest rose has thorns, but settle for a carnation, and you not only get more meaning out of it, but the chicks like 'em better too.

And to comment on another post, the PSP is completely different than the DS, in most ways possible.

Anyway, on to my point, when deciding which is BETTER, you cant base it on personal uses, you have to compare the purpose of the system itself. Handheld games are for gaming, not only gaming, but for gaming where there arent any TV screens or outlets. Be it camping, a long ass car ride, the hotel, or even sitting in your own room, a handheld's key point is its battery life. Maybe not for you, who sits on an outlet, but for those of us who use the handheld for what its meant for, we need more than a 90 minute to 3 hour time limit. Another key point is durability. Is the screen protected? Can I still play after dropping it from a third story window? Is the casing fragile? And lets of course not forget the games. Now, sure, some of us are going to argue which has better games, and rightfully so, with the FFVII slew of games coming for the PSP, and the amazing Mario, Metroid, Star Fox, FF, and various other games coming for the DS, its no wonder why theres an argument.

So to sum up, a handeld needs at least three things
Battery Life
Durability
Great games.

The DS has two out of those three keyed down. And while the PSP will have at least as good games as the DS, its not really made for gaming. One could argue that the device is completely media driven, with the movies and the mp3 capabilities, its just a media player with gaming abilities, and that may be Sony's handheld downfall.

Now, the question of graphics, I personally have to say those dont matter, especially in handheld gaming. I mean how many of us still have our old Gameboys? GBColors? You guys all know as well as I do that when it comes to handhelds, sure, maybe the graphics arent as good, but the games are incredible, graphics or no graphics. I mean look at games like Boktai, with its solar sensor, or like the various Tactic strategy games, like FFT and Tactics Ogre, they were practically MADE for handheld gaming, lets not forget the easy multiplayer abilities, and the Gamecube connectivity. Handhelds are the perfect gaming devices, whether they have great graphics or otherwise. And to make one thing perfectly clear, the DS has AMAZING graphics. Going from SNES caliber to beyond N64 is amazing.

So, to conclude, when comparing handhelds, for handhelds, about handhelds, the DS wins hands down. As to which you want, or prefer, or molds to your needs, thats up to you. Bottom line, the DS is a better machine, no matter which one suits you.

[Tung]

definitely ds. nintendo has never failed to make a loserness handheld lol. they are experiencd and know alot. this is sony's first. and although the psp sure looks nice. i still prefer ds.