Electoral college, should it be eliminated? Options

[ichigofan]

The electoral college makes no sense, It should be eliminated!!!!!!!!! I agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Mulder]

i live in texas and im a democrat. even though i cant vote, my parents votes dont count. no democrats votes count. the most weve ever gotten is %40. it doesnt support a democracy, so yes.

[*not_your_average*]

The electoral college makes no sense, It should be eliminated!!!!!!!!!  I agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

^^ This is a debate. Please back up your opinion with facts.

[sikdragon]

i live in texas and im a democrat. even though i cant vote, my parents votes dont count. no democrats votes count. the most weve ever gotten is %40. it doesnt support a democracy, so yes.

Democracy is majority rules right? You're the minority. You don't rule.

We're the UNITED STATES of america. Not America. The states have rights. The electoral college recognizes those rights as well as the population of each state. The majority of the state decides who the state supports.

[Mulder]

yes, but the state a person lives in shouldn't entail what president is elected. if I lived in new york, a democratic state, and then moved to arkansas, my vote would have less of a meaning. a democracy is supposed to protect people's rights . of, by, and for the people, not for the states. the electoral college protects states rights, which should have no bearing over the outcome of a presidential election. only the people's votes should count, at least in a democracy. but we're not actually in a democracy.

[sadolakced acid]

Democracy is majority rules right? You're the minority. You don't rule.

We're the UNITED STATES of america. Not America. The states have rights. The electoral college recognizes those rights as well as the population of each state. The majority of the state decides who the state supports.

The United States of America is a country. not are. why? becasue the south lost the civil war.

[*CrackedRearView*]

The United States of America is a country.  not are.  why?  becasue the south lost the civil war.

That doesn't end the fact that the states have rights, though.

[sadolakced acid]

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no, but it does mean states right are significantly reduced and have been for 150 years. any states rights argument nowadays is killed by one thing- federal funding. states accept federal funding for almost everything, and thus, they give up thier rights.

for example, an established drinking age is a state right. there is no technical national drinking age. however, the federal government will refuse to give any money to build roads if the drinking age is not 21 years or older. therefore, in every state, for the averge joe it's 21 when he can drink in a bar without parents.

federal funding kills states rights. no state, however, is willing to refuse federal funding, as this would mean having to raise state taxes and driving all citizens out. no one is tied to a single state anymore. (fine, most). you'd be hard pressed to find a million people who are more loyal to thier state than the USA- and thus, states rights are minimal. and as long as states recieve money from uncle sam, they should remain minimal.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Sure, the independence fighters of centuries past did fight for the unity of the country.

But they fought for limited government, as well.

And states' rights limit the government significantly.

[illumineering]

Absolutely yes! In the last election Gore won the popular vote, but lost the election. That's not fair. Our leaders should be elected by the people, not a system that can be manipulated in the courts.

p.s. I'm not saying anything about my political views. If the situation would have been reversed I would say the same thing.

[enyceXaddiction]

electoral colledge is okay with me. all states gets equal reprentation. but i think if we hada popular vote the state that should matter is newyork

[*CrackedRearView*]

Absolutely yes!  In the last election Gore won the popular vote, but lost the election.  That's not fair.  Our leaders should be elected by the people, not a system that can be manipulated in the courts.

p.s. I'm not saying anything about my political views.  If the situation would have been reversed I would say the same thing.

Manipulated in the courts?!

What do you think would happen if there was no Electoral College? The candidates would make judicial battles about every iffy county in every iffy state in every iffy part of the country.

[Paradox of Life]

i live in texas and im a democrat. even though i cant vote, my parents votes dont count. no democrats votes count. the most weve ever gotten is %40. it doesnt support a democracy, so yes.

Exactly. My parents didn't even vote because obviously, that darned electoral college would just eliminate them entirely. If I'm not mistaken, didn't Al Gore get more individual votes than George W. Bush, but George W. Bush won because of the electoral college? And look what happened.. Sorry, this was a very ignorant post.

[sadolakced acid]

now that i think of it, the electoral college isn't what's hurting. it's people believing thier vote doesn't count, and then not voting. then it really doesn't count.

if everyone with an opinion voted, that'd be fine.

[Paradox of Life]

now that i think of it, the electoral college isn't what's hurting.  it's people believing thier vote doesn't count, and then not voting.  then it really doesn't count.

if everyone with an opinion voted, that'd be fine.

If everyone with an opinion voted without the electoral college, it'd be fine. Sure, it's more organized, but we're VOTING FOR THE LEADER OF THE US HERE. If we ditch the organization and too what's most logical, don't you think it's for the good of the country? It's actually more complicated with the electoral college because not everyone is getting a fair vote considering you have to compete with everyone else in your STATE and not your NATION.

[sadolakced acid]

oh yea, forgot to add that the two senater votes are dropped.