'04 Presidential Debate, President Bush vs Senator Kerry Options

[ComradeRed]

I believe I pointed them out... Cato Institute, House of Respresentatives, etc. My statistics on welfare spending are all from teh Cato Institute. Everything else is quoted in the argument.

[inlonelinessidie]

^^ Alright.

[Heathasm]

haha i hope some thing good and juicy happens this round, but most likely not

[inlonelinessidie]

Debate just ended. Overall I think both did well. Bush seemed to step it up a bit this time, and Kerry still stayed strong. This debate had humour in it, especially when both candidates were asked about their "strong women", which was great. So what did the rest of y'all think?

[*kryogenix*]

I think it was a tie, however Bush gains because this stops the momentum that Kerry gained through the first debate. Also, Kerry made a mistake mentioning Dick Cheney's daughter.

[inlonelinessidie]

Also, Kerry made a mistake mentioning Dick Cheney's daughter.

Against the rules?

[*kryogenix*]

Against the rules?

That's still a jackass thing to do.

[inlonelinessidie]

That's still a jackass thing to do.

Why? Cheney loves his daughter and is not ashamed of her. There is nothing wrong with her being a lesbian, big deal. Cheney's daughter is very open about her sexuality, so no it was not a "jackass thing to do," at all.

[ComradeRed]

First Debate: Clear Kerry win
Second Debate: Draw
Third Debate: Very, VERY narrow Kerry win (Bush was winning up until the last 20 minutes when he got killed).

[*CrackedRearView*]

First Debate: Clear Kerry win
Second Debate: Draw
Third Debate: Very, VERY narrow Kerry win (Bush was winning up until the last 20 minutes when he got killed).

I disagree.

I think the record is 1-1-1.

1st: Kerry
2nd: Bush
3rd: Draw

[*kryogenix*]

Why? Cheney loves his daughter and is not ashamed of her. There is nothing wrong with her being a lesbian, big deal. Cheney's daughter is very open about her sexuality, so no it was not a "jackass thing to do," at all.

The Kerry camp is trying to call Cheney a flip flop through something he can't control. That's pretty rude and insensitive to me.

[ComradeRed]

I disagree.

I think the record is 1-1-1.

1st: Kerry
2nd: Bush
3rd: Draw

Gallup polls show that Kerry clearly won the first one. For the second one, 43% think Kerry won and 41% think Bush won ... which is within the Margin of Error (meaning it's a tie). The third one hasn't come out yet, but it will in a day or two.

EDIT: Gallup's poll shows that 52% of Americans think Kerry won, comapred to 39% for Bush.

Kerry won the third debate.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=13642

Among Republicans, 73% think Bush won compared ot 17% for Kerry
Among Independents, 54% think Kerry won and 34% say Bush
Among Democrats, 86% think Kerry won versus 7% for Bush

Among all Americans, 42% now have a more favorable impression of Kerry and 15% have a less favorable impression of Kerry. 27% have a more favorable impression of Bush and 17% now have a less favorable impression.

In terms of specific debate rankings,
Expressed himself more clearly: 61% Kerry, 29% Bush (K +32)
Showed he cares about people like you: 53% Kerry, 41% Bush (K +12)
Has a good understanding of the issues: 49% Kerry, 37% Bush (K +12)
Agreed with you on issues you care about: 53% Kerry, 46% Bush (K +7)
Showed he shares your values: 50% Kerry, 46% Bush (K +4)
Was more believable: 48% Kerry, 45% Bush (K +3)
Was more liekable: Bush 48%, Kerry 43% (B +5)

The margin of error is 4% with 95% Confidence, so basically Bush tied on sharing values and believability, won on likeability, but lost on the other 4 issues.

[strice]

The Kerry camp is trying to call Cheney a flip flop through something he can't control. That's pretty rude and insensitive to me.

it's hard to complain about kerry being "rude" when you consider the smear tactics the bush campaign has been employing.

[*kryogenix*]

it's hard to complain about kerry being "rude" when you consider the smear tactics the bush campaign has been employing.

for example?

Kerry's campaign is almost entirely a smear campaign, repeatedly saying Busg failed miserably, Iraq is a disaster, Bush was AWOL, blah blah.

[ComradeRed]

The only Kerry smear against Bush was accusing him of being AWOL.

Attacking Bush's policies in Iraq is not smearing. Likewise, it would be smearing for Bush to attack Kerry's Vietnam Service ... but it would not be smearing for him to attack kerry's senate voting record.

You also have to remember that Bush is sitting in the defendant's chair ... He has to answer for his actions, like all presidents running for reelection, not kerry.

[*kryogenix*]

The only Kerry smear against Bush was accusing him of being AWOL.

Attacking Bush's policies in Iraq is not smearing. Likewise, it would be smearing for Bush to attack Kerry's Vietnam Service ... but it would not be smearing for him to attack kerry's senate voting record.

You also have to remember that Bush is sitting in the defendant's chair ... He has to answer for his actions, like all presidents running for reelection, not kerry.

Bush has called Kerry's campaign heroic. It's the swift boat veterans for truth that are smearing him. And Bush isn't connected to them.

[Nicolatofu]

Looks like a lot of Kerry Fans!! Well i have watched the debates, and I must say Kerry squished Bush! But remember, it's easy to critize someone on all things they have done wrong, and it'es easy to say "i will do this and this and this," let's just hope that actually does happen if he's in office. As for who i would vote for well i really don't want to see another 4 years of Bush