Homosexual, //what if...? Options

[Spirited Away]

I read in some books that Christians used to not consider people who married outside of church is really married. In other words, if you're parents aren't Christians they're living in sin, thus, you and I are conceived in sin. I don't know if that belief still holds today.

[sikdragon]

Jews and christians have a common founder and jews were here first, so i guess the credit does go to them rather than the christians who brought the ritual to the US. My bad.

Blindly worshipping the church is not what i or my associates have anything to do with. The church and fellowship with fellow christians and curious non-christians has very little to do with the actual religion of christianity. The church's role is minute, but important don't get me wrong. Marriage is just a public way of showing that two people have been joined together. Have you ever seen "The Fiddler on the Roof"?
The first daughter questioned the tradition of a match maker and he concluded that God was their match maker. If two people join together under God with or without the church they are still married. That is my belief. The legality still may not hold water, but that was not the question.

[sammi rules you]

Jews and christians have a common founder and jews were here first, so i guess the credit does go to them rather than the christians who brought the ritual to the US. My bad.

Blindly worshipping the church is not what i or my associates have anything to do with. The church and fellowship with fellow christians and curious non-christians has very little to do with the actual religion of christianity. The church's role is minute, but important don't get me wrong. Marriage is just a public way of showing that two people have been joined together. Have you ever seen "The Fiddler on the Roof"?
The first daughter questioned the tradition of a match maker and he concluded that God was their match maker. If two people join together under God with or without the church they are still married. That is my belief. The legality still may not hold water, but that was not the question.

wanna run that by me again? because i have no idea what you just said. you also called "the first daughter" a he..or..i don't know..

also, i believe "associates" are "business partners", not people of your religion.

[sikdragon]

No people i associate with. GEEZ.

The father is the HE.

[Saeglopur]

It's a choice, just like those who have a tendancy to steal.

Not everyone homosexual has a choice of being homosexual. Some people have imbalanced hormones and that makes them homosexual.. there would be .. male-ish hormones than female hormones in a girl.. that makes her like ... other girls.

[sikdragon]

So you're saying that just because some biased scientist says so, criminals don't have to be accountable for their actions. It happens, but it is unjust. People alter their chemical balances themselves. Did you know that? They do

[melface]

Not everyone homosexual has a choice of being homosexual. Some people have imbalanced hormones and that makes them homosexual.. there would be .. male-ish hormones than female hormones in a girl.. that makes her like ... other girls.

This is true...

sikdragon, you're being ignorant... Can you HONESTLY sit there and LIKE another male in a SEXUAL manner and ENJOY it and not be DISGUSTED with yourself... Could you do this without me telling you to? As if you were to do this on your own on your own instinct?

[sikdragon]

im being ignorant? anyone can live any way the want, its all a matter of will power.

[melface]

im being ignorant? anyone can live any way the want, its all a matter of will power.

but can you do it.. and be happy with yourself? and like it... and will have a sexual relationship with another homosexual? Could you do it? WILL you do it and still not look down on yourself?

[sammi rules you]

im being ignorant? anyone can live any way the want, its all a matter of will power.

they don't choose to be gay! why would they WANT to with all the riticule people give them? i'm sure no one WANTS to. it's not their choice.

[melface]

My best friend is a homosexual... and he's told me that he's always known that he wasn't like all the other boys in his classes.. He told me that he liked boys when he was in 3rd grade... It wasn't some boy puppy loving some girl two rows to the right of him... He liked other boys!... Now, please tell me... how a 3rd grader could just DECIDE out of nowhere that he was going to be homosexual... He didn't even know what it MEANT! No one wants to be shunned by society... No one wants to risk being murdered for being who they are... No one WANTS to be set apart from society, discriminated, or harrassed.

[sikdragon]

They still choose to do it. Just like a person who steals money from seven-eleven. they do it even though they risk being caught and thrown in jail.

[ComradeRed]

Choice or not, it's their right.

When you steal money from a 7-11, you cause involuntary harm to someone.

When you screw someone consensually, there is no crime involved.

[sikdragon]

when you lie to someone noone gets hurt, but that is still wrong.

[ComradeRed]

That depends on the situation.

[Saeglopur]

So you're saying that just because some biased scientist says so, criminals don't have to be accountable for their actions. It happens, but it is unjust. People alter their chemical balances themselves. Did you know that? They do

^ Do you not get it? Homosexuality has been around before your mother's mother has been born. People get imbalanced hormones.. HORMONES meaning.. like tosterones and all those things.. those things that make YOU up. The ones that give you puberty and make up who YOU are.

First of all, would you know why people turn gay or are gay? No, you probably don't because you probably, most likely are not gay so you have never seen it through a homosexual person's point of view and don't say that I haven't because I know what I'm talking about.

[ghjgfkgfk]

i disagree with sikdragon. do you thinki will wake up the next day and say to myself, 'i'm going to les today!'?
uhh no.

i got this from a site which the owner is (ohh, gasp) gay;

Unlike what a lot of people say, being gay is NOT a choice. People who are gay know what I mean. If you're not, then I don't expect you to understand. It's a feeling. It's who you are. You can't control it or help it. That said...

http://lavished.net/scott.html

[I.Luff.Emo.Boys.]

no, because if everyone was gay, no one would be able to reproduce. having a majority of gays is really dangerous to the survival of humankind.

thats not the point im not talking about reproduction im talking about rights.

[sammi rules you]

They still choose to do it. Just like a person who steals money from seven-eleven. they do it even though they risk being caught and thrown in jail.

no they don't! they can't control it. it's just like if you like someone, you can't help but like them. it's not like you like anyone you want to. i'm sure if we could control who we like, we'd be a lot happier. trust me, i wish i didn't like the person i do but i can't help it. gay people can't help that they like someone of the same sex.

[sunissed14127]

1. How do you feel about it? Is it okay? Is it wrong? I think it is ok, because they r human just like everyone else,and the only way they r different is because of their sexual orientation.

2. What if you knew someone for years... and then you find out that they were gay/lesbian... would that change the way you feel about them? Would you still respect them? yes i would. i have a gay friend,and that doesnt change our relationship at all.

3. Should it be legal for them to marry? i think it should,because the only difference in their relation ship is they will be married. they alrady have the right to kiss,and to live together.

[pandamonium]

like what i said before.... you dont choose to be gay . you are born gay


what about straight people ? did you choose to be straight no. you were born straight.... and dont say being straight is normal or shit like that... thats how gay people are made fun of and hide their homosexuality because straight people think its regular to be straight ohh yea..

[*kryogenix*]

When you screw someone consensually, there is no crime involved.

isn't sodomy a crime?

thats not the point im not talking about reproduction im talking about rights.

my bad, i thought this was a gay marriage debate. yes, they should be entitled to life, liberty and property.

  like what i said before....l you dont choose to be gay . you are born gay


what about straight people ? did you choose to be straight no.atleast i kno i didnt. you were born straight.... and dont say being straight is normal or shit like that... thats how gay people are made fun of and hide their homosexuality because straight people think its regular to be straight ohh yea..

So, if you're born gay, it's a defect then. Down's Syndrome is a defect. There's a law saying that mentally retarded people can't own a firearm, because their judgement skills aren't good enough. According to you, homosexuality is a birth defect, yet it's normal?

[pandamonium]

  like what i said before.... you dont choose to be gay . you are born gay


what about straight people ? did you choose to be straight no.atleast i kno i didnt. you were born straight.... and dont say being straight is normal or shit like that... thats how gay people are made fun of and hide their homosexuality because straight people think its regular to be straight ohh yea..

So, if you're born gay, it's a defect then. Down's Syndrome is a defect. There's a law saying that mentally retarded people can't own a firearm, because their judgement skills aren't good enough. According to you, homosexuality is a birth defect, yet it's normal?

Where in the first statement do you see me saying being homosexual is a defect? i only said its normal i dont kno where you are coming up with these words...

[*kryogenix*]

[quote=pandamonium,Nov 6 2004, 1:09 PM] [/QUOTE]QUOTE
like what i said before.... you dont choose to be gay . you are born gay


what about straight people ? did you choose to be straight no.atleast i kno i didnt. you were born straight.... and dont say being straight is normal or shit like that... thats how gay people are made fun of and hide their homosexuality because straight people think its regular to be straight ohh yea.. [/QUOTE]





Where in the first statement do you see me saying being homosexual is a defect? i only said its normal i dont kno where you are coming up with these words... [/quote]
You say you're born with it. It's detrimental. Hence it's a defect. You acknowledge this. Hence you pretty much say it's a defect. Common sense dude.

[pandamonium]

[quote=kryogenix,Nov 6 2004, 1:14 PM] QUOTE
like what i said before.... you dont choose to be gay . you are born gay


what about straight people ? did you choose to be straight no.atleast i kno i didnt. you were born straight.... and dont say being straight is normal or shit like that... thats how gay people are made fun of and hide their homosexuality because straight people think its regular to be straight ohh yea.. [/QUOTE]





Where in the first statement do you see me saying being homosexual is a defect? i only said its normal i dont kno where you are coming up with these words... [/QUOTE]
You say you're born with it. It's detrimental. Hence it's a defect. You acknowledge this. Hence you pretty much say it's a defect. Common sense dude. [/quote]
I didnt mean ,in anyway or anyhow, that being born homosexual is a defect. all i meant to say was being homosexual is normal just like being straight... you are born straight arent you? then what about the people born gay they have no choice.. they were born like that... the only reason why people think its bad cause of their religion .. if their religion states that its bad to be homosexual thats when its considered bad. like if you were a christian then probably most christians would think its bad.

And i really dont know how you got being born a homosexual is a defect out of my post..