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Jaques de Molay...The Face In The Shroud ??
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post Jun 10 2005, 06:13 AM
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Jaques de Molay...The Face In The Shroud ??

For more than 700 years The shroud Of Turin has been venerated by believers in the christian faith from all over the world..However a 1988 carbon 14 test proved that the cloth could not have been made before 1260.

In spite of the various accusations of christian investigators there exists NO proof of the existance of the shroud before its first public display in the small church of the French town of Lirey in 1357.

The cloth was donated to the church by Jeanne de Vergy, the widow of Geoffrey de Charney a noble who had died in September the year before.
Its importance was soon recognised by the inhabitants of Lirey, and the act was commerated by a special medal, which carried the coat of arms of Jeanne and Geoffrey de Charney.

But there exists no proof or information as to how they came to posses the shroud.
In 1359 Enrique de Poitiers, the archbishop of Troyes ordered the destrucion of the shroud ???( a strange order for a christian)
The order was never carried out, Jeanne hid the shroud in some place and it dissapeared until 1389 when it went was put on display again by another family member also called Geoffrey.

With the death of Geoffrey in 1398 the shroud passed into the hands of his daughter Margret and her husband, Humbert Count Of Roche who transferred the shroud to a safe place, the castle of Monfort.

In 1457 Margret, now old, sold the shroud to Loius de Saboya, son of pope Felix v, for two castles.
The Saboya family, from whom come the kings of Italy, are still the owners of the shroud even today.

The cloth has a relativamente sophisicated herringbone weave with the weave having a cross ratio of 3:1, which wasnt used in Europe until the begining of the 14th century.
This date is the thorn in the side of christians who wish to believe the shroud is that of jesus.
It cannot be said that this process of weaving WASNT in use in the 1st century, but its highly unlikely.

One of the strongest sources of information about the shroud is the pollen found in the fibres.
Doctor Max Frei-Sulver,forensic investigator, analized pollen samples found to determin in which zones of the world the shroud had passed through.

The shroud contained a lot of pollen but none from olives, which would have been the direct link to the holy land, as the area is full of olive trees.
The resulsts of the analysis would be later coroborated by scientists from Isreal.

If in the 14th century the shroud was known by the achishop of Troyes to be the shroud of Jaques de Molay and NOT the face of christ, this would clearly explain his order to destroy it, the extermination of the Templars being still fresh in the mind of many having passed only a century before.

The wounds clearly match the torture wound inflicted on Molay and not a man on the cross as the flow of blood is at a different angle to a man on the cross.

If the catholic church is aware that the face is of De Molay ,and no Jesus because the carbon 14 dating prooves that the dates are incompatible, then why guard it ???

Why in the face of irrefutible scientific proof is the catholic church willing to display a false relic ???

Why is the church willing to use the shroud when it could be possble that the face in it is of a man accused of heresy against the church..The face of a man who knew the truth about Jesus and the lies of the church.

Are the church wiling to accept the use of the shroud knowing that the face is of the first grand master of the Templars simply to maintain the "faithfull".

In 2007 it will be 700 years since the persecution and the prohibition of the templars..Will it be the year that the Catholic church officialy accepts its wrong doings and gives the templars their long overdue pardon ??

Will the church continue to use a false relic to attract and keep its followers believing in a faith in which more and more people now DONT believe.
 

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