Jesus, God's son. Options

[Simba]

Unless you provide me with a fact which could CLEARLY suggest that there might be a god, I will remain an atheist. I'm really better off knowing that life is what I make it.

I may not have fact, but since you work by logic, I'll just say this anyway.

You've probably heard the whole "with every creation there has to be a creator" bit, and had it translated to, "we are God's creations." Of course, one could argue "If every creation has a creator, then who created God?" Anyway, there also has to be a source of anything and everything. Although "God" may not necessarily be a source of creation, there's no way that we are. We're clearly too imperfect... Someone else must have designed the way our organs work so well, physics, and etc. So there practically has to be a higher being.

[Mr. Slowjamz]

I may not have fact, but since you work by logic, I'll just say this anyway.

You've probably heard the whole "with every creation there has to be a creator" bit, and had it translated to, "we are God's creations." Of course, one could argue "If every creation has a creator, then who created God?" Anyway, there also has to be a source of anything and everything. Although "God" may not necessarily be a source of creation, there's no way that we are. We're clearly too imperfect... Someone else must have designed the way our organs work so well, physics, and etc. So there practically has to be a higher being.

exactly exactly my point keep on learning and understanding the truth .i feeel like you cannot that doesnt mean i disregard wicked sexy people . = ) . why are there major and minor keys . i also think black piano keys are sexy.

[AngelinaTaylor]

I may not have fact, but since you work by logic, I'll just say this anyway.

You've probably heard the whole "with every creation there has to be a creator" bit, and had it translated to, "we are God's creations." Of course, one could argue "If every creation has a creator, then who created God?" Anyway, there also has to be a source of anything and everything. Although "God" may not necessarily be a source of creation, there's no way that we are. We're clearly too imperfect... Someone else must have designed the way our organs work so well, physics, and etc. So there practically has to be a higher being.

Yeah, but you never know. I believe in evolution because it has hard facts, and I generally think we're here by chance. Why not? And since there has to be a source of anything and everything, who created god, as you said?

exactly exactly my point keep on learning and understanding the truth .i feeel like you cannot that doesnt mean i disregard wicked sexy people . = ) . why are there major and minor keys . i also think black piano keys are sexy.

I love learning, I'm sure my views will probably change slightly in a few years if not sooner.

P.S. Nothing's sexier than a french chord <3

[sweetangel2128]

Hmm, I'm pretty sure she was talking in general when she said that...

Yes, I was talking in general. I would never cause another person harm or cause them to be hurt in anyway.

[Simba]

Yeah, but you never know. I believe in evolution because it has hard facts, and I generally think we're here by chance. Why not? And since there has to be a source of anything and everything, who created god, as you said?

Excuse me if this is just because of my lack of knowledge, but what did evolution start with?

Regarding "who created God?" Well, maybe there might be a God, but that's not the end of it. Or maybe he is the absolute source of everything? Who knows? But even if there's no explanation, it doesn't completely wipe out the possibility of a "God."

[sweetangel2128]

Kimberely - If you knew about Christianity & the Bible then how come you keep asking me Questions that are very simple to answer?

Angelina - Evolution is not based on facts, hence the word "theory" in it. Evolution hasn't been proven so therefore they are not facts.

f**k you, you didn't know my uncle nor my grandfather (who went to church EVERY SINGLE f**king day and sang in the choir because he loved it so much). I was a devote Christian, don't you dare tell me the reason they died was because I didn't do anything for your stupid god.

Oh yeah, and that deal with the dying on the cross to save us is complete BULL - who in their right mind makes religion centered around SUFFERING? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

You can believe what you want but in the end if God exists as you put it, what are you going to tell him? He's not going to give you a second chance at your judgement day. Think about that. I never claimed to know your uncle or anything about you. When I told you that I was referring to in general not to hurt you in anyway.

True, but Angelina's still right. I didnt think of it that way until she said something.

Thats funny... my Grandmother died of terminal cancer a few years ago... and she was BY FAR the most religious, Christian woman i've ever met. She definately did something for God, but he obviously didnt answer her prayers. But then there's my Jewish grandmother, who's really non-religious... she's been through 3 different types of cancer, been on her death bed at least twice from it, and was hospitalized for six months after a major car accident and thought to surely die... but she's miraculously here, in perfect health. God obviously answered her prayers.

Doesnt make much sense now, does it.

Like I said it's your time to go.

[kimmytree]

Kimberely - If you knew about Christianity & the Bible then how come you keep asking me Questions that are very simple to answer?

Ahh I wasnt asking you questions, I was asking if you agreed with those statements, since they're what a large majority of Christians believe. And I was stating those things leading up to specific questions. Trust me, I'm sure I know just as much about Christianity as you do. I was raised Baptist, and I've been attending a Christian private school for the past 6 years. I know my Bible.

[sweetangel2128]

Ahh I wasnt asking you questions, I was asking if you agreed with those statements, since they're what a large majority of Christians believe. And I was stating those things leading up to specific questions. Trust me, I'm sure I know just as much about Christianity as you do. I was raised Baptist, and I've been attending a Christian private school for the past 6 years. I know my Bible.

It really doesn't sound like you do. Sorry, but your asking people Questions like why this, why that. You abviously don't know too much about it since you keep saying stuff like that. You claim to know the Bible more than me, someone who is probably older then you when you mentioned to me your a teenager...funny even then you do not know me and can't say you know just as much as me. I am just basing my assumptions off of all the Questions your asking.

[kimmytree]

It really doesn't sound like you do. Sorry, but your asking people Questions like why this, why that. You abviously don't know too much about it since you keep saying stuff like that. You claim to know the Bible more than me, someone who is probably older then you when you mentioned to me your a teenager...funny even then you do not know me and can't say you know more then me. I am just basing my assumptions off of all the Questions your asking.

No, I'm definately not asking questions. Like for example, when I sad "Wait, I thought God was supposed to be all-powerful? If the Devil has the power to do things like that, then He can't be all-powerful", I was assuming that you, like most Christians, believe that God is all powerful. Then I was stating that he can't be all-powerful, since Satan has the power to turn people away from him. There's a big difference between that and actually asking a person a question.

[Simba]

Free will, God doesn't force people to not follow the Devil but gives them the choice to not follow. God is more powerful because he can be in all places at once and the fact he can stop Satan from doing things to people but he doesn't because he wants people to come to him out of free will not forcefully.

Have you ever thought of the possibility that "Satan" is not an actual, existing figure or person, but rather only serves as a symbol?

And also that having Satan as an actual person was just another method of scaring people into Christianity?

[sweetangel2128]

Have you ever thought of the possibility that "Satan" is not an actual, existing figure or person, but rather only serves as a symbol?

And also that having Satan as an actual person was just another method of scaring people into Christianity?

Satan first of all isn't a person but an entity, kinda like God, they are not human. But they can take on human form kinda like the whole Jesus thing with God. The Devil can also take on human form or possess someone hence: exorcism. My friend has seen things Devil related to know he does in fact exist.

If it's just another method of scaring people into Christianity then why is 666 and other things related to the Devil mentioned in the Bible. Think about that. The Devil is in fact real. He is all around you.

[kimmytree]

If it's just another method of scaring people into Christianity then why is 666 and other things related to the Devil mentioned in the Bible. Think about that. The Devil is in fact real. He is all around you.

Are you not aware that the Catholic Church, hundreds of years ago, probably changed things, to benefit themselves? (that would be a question, btw).

[sweetangel2128]

Are you not aware that the Catholic Church, hundreds of years ago, probably changed things, to benefit themselves? (that would be a question, btw).

Kimberely, I am not stupid, I know that's a Question. I really don't care what others have done in other religions, all I care about is God and the Bible, that is all I follow.

[kimmytree]

You claim to know the Bible more than me, someone who is probably older then you when you mentioned to me your a teenager...funny even then you do not know me and can't say you know more then me. I am just basing my assumptions off of all the Questions your asking.

Okay, for one thing, age doesnt necessary bring wisdom. But after you just recently becoming a Christian, and not regularly attending church, I'm assuming I actually do know more by the fact that I've been forced to sit in a Bible class, teaching me the Bible's history and other useless crap every single day for the past six years. I'm assuming that like most of the population, you've attended public school - which would mean that you wouldnt have taken the same classes.

Yeah, you're right, I dont know you. But just like you, I'm assuming these things by the things you're posting.

[sweetangel2128]

Okay, for one thing, age doesnt necessary bring wisdom. But after you just recently becoming a Christian, and not regularly attending church, I'm assuming I actually do know more by the fact that I've been forced to sit in a Bible class, teaching me the Bible's history and other useless crap every single day for the past six years. I'm assuming that like most of the population, you've attended public school - which would mean that you wouldnt have taken the same classes.

Yeah, you're right, I dont know you. But just like you, I'm assuming these things by the things you're posting.

You just proved how much you do not know me. I am not a new Christian I've been a Christian for 2 years I just slipped away a few times but was brought back by God's love. And before I moved I attended church EVERY Sunday, was involved in the Evangelising team and attended a Bible study every week and was also active in the Youth Group trips and now since I've moved I'm trying to find a good church which I think I have found which I am trying my hardest to attend which is hard cause I do not drive and the church is far from me and my bf works Sundays but hopefully I'll be starting back to church after 1 year very soon!

[Simba]

Are you not aware that the Catholic Church, hundreds of years ago, probably changed things, to benefit themselves? (that would be a question, btw).

Precisely.

And even if there is a Satan described in the Bible, his niche would make more sense if it were symbolic rather than literal (as if he were an actual entity). Satan could simply be a symbol for temptation and sin and etc.

Okay, for one thing, age doesnt necessary bring wisdom.

Cosign.

Eh. There's more that I would like to say, but I'll have to do this tomorrow.

[kimmytree]

Kimberely, I am not stupid, I know that's a Question. I really don't care what others have done in other religions, all I care about is God and the Bible, that is all I follow.

CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS (for the most part) USE THE SAME BIBLE. (New Testament at least).

[sweetangel2128]

Okay, for one thing, age doesnt necessary bring wisdom.

I never said it did, my point is I have been on this earth a lot longer then you have, therefore been studying it a lot longer.

CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS (for the most part) USE THE SAME BIBLE. (New Testament at least).

..And your point is? Like I said I follow Jesus not Religion.

[kimmytree]

..And your point is? Like I said I follow Jesus not Religion.

Well, if you study Jesus, then you must study his word. His word was altered hundreds of years ago, like I already said. So that would mean that God's actual word is somewhat inacurate now, since its been tampered with.

What I'm saying has nothing to do with your religion.

I never said it did, my point is I have been on this earth a lot longer then you have, therefore been studying it a lot longer.

That's totally inacurate, and wrong to assume. I know a kid who's only 13, and he completely blows everyone away. He's definately smarter than I am. Just because you're a few years older than someone, doesnt mean that you've automatically been studying longer. What have you actually studied?

[sweetangel2128]

Well, if you study Jesus, then you must study his word. His word was altered hundreds of years ago, like I already said. So that would mean that God's actual word is somewhat inacurate now, since its been tampered with.

What I'm saying has nothing to do with your religion.
That's totally inacurate, and wrong to assume. I know a kid who's only 13, and he completely blows everyone away. He's definately smarter than I am. Just because you're a few years older than someone, doesnt mean that you've automatically been studying longer. What have you actually studied?

A lot of things but this debate isn't on me proving myself so yeah.

And I do not believe God's word has changed, it's the same it has always been.

[kimmytree]

^ Okay then, you win.

I'm honestly tired of debating. It's useless.

[sweetangel2128]

^ Okay then, you win.

I'm honestly tired of debating. It's useless.

Then why are you on a debate forum? Just curious!

[kimmytree]

Because I'm wanting to have a half way intelligent conversation with someone, instead of having someone accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about, and having no clue what the Bible or Christianity is all about.

It just comes to a certain point in a debate where it gets old.

[AngelinaTaylor]

Excuse me if this is just because of my lack of knowledge, but what did evolution start with?

Regarding "who created God?" Well, maybe there might be a God, but that's not the end of it. Or maybe he is the absolute source of everything? Who knows? But even if there's no explanation, it doesn't completely wipe out the possibility of a "God."

The big bang? I think scientists consider that in the beginning there was only energy, and everything emerged from there. It's a possibility, considering that the earth is billions of years old.

Angelina - Evolution is not based on facts, hence the word "theory" in it. Evolution hasn't been proven so therefore they are not facts.
You can believe what you want but in the end if God exists as you put it, what are you going to tell him? He's not going to give you a second chance at your judgement day. Think about that. I never claimed to know your uncle or anything about you. When I told you that I was referring to in general not to hurt you in anyway.

Newsflash: for scientists, it's a fact. Because there is proof =) Actual, visible proof.

I honestly don't give a damn about your second question, because god ain't real. Not for me anyway. Don't worry about me, and please, PLEASE don't waste your time praying for me (you wouldn't BELIEVE the number of people who have offered to do that). And sorry I blew up on you - I had a previous account with some idiot who basically said my uncle deserved what he got and after that I wanted to kill him with my bare hands. A fundamentalist =)

[sweetangel2128]

Because I'm wanting to have a half way intelligent conversation with someone, instead of having someone accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about, and having no clue what the Bible or Christianity is all about.

It just comes to a certain point in a debate where it gets old.

By saying that your saying I am not intelligent and I resent that!

The big bang? I think scientists consider that in the beginning there was only energy, and everything emerged from there. It's a possibility, considering that the earth is billions of years old.
Newsflash: for scientists, it's a fact. Because there is proof =) Actual, visible proof.

I honestly don't give a damn about your second question, because god ain't real. Not for me anyway. Don't worry about me, and please, PLEASE don't waste your time praying for me (you wouldn't BELIEVE the number of people who have offered to do that). And sorry I blew up on you - I had a previous account with some idiot who basically said my uncle deserved what he got and after that I wanted to kill him with my bare hands. A fundamentalist =)

If it is a fact then why is it called a "Theory"?

I am still going to pray for you because I know that God loves you even though you don't think so and I'm not going to be a cold person but not praying about it.

I understand why your upset but take into consideration your not the only one that has lost somebody they love. As I said before I lost my step dad on Valentines Day, I didn't even get to say goodbye but I know he's in Heaven now with God which makes me happy.