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 Aug 18 2004, 01:21 PM
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 and they say imitation is flattering  Group: Member Posts: 1,337 Joined: Jul 2004 Member No: 27,269  |
Yeah.. what happens with the Pious people who burned "witches" at the stake? Do they go to Heaven? They were only doing what they believed was the right thing to do.
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Aug 18 2004, 01:22 PM
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 "Back!Break!Anomics!" Group: Member Posts: 198 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 40,870 |
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 1:20 PM) its true if you dont then you go to hell, religion is what messes everything up. God wants a personal relationship not perfect attendance at a church. have i been acting holier-than-thou? i hope i havent sounded like that, all im trying to do is give you my side of the story. and i doubt people who act like that will be like that in heaven. if they are going. 4sho sikdragon!! religion is wat makes this all complicated....god just wants u 2 follow him in his path....god loves every1 even u say i hate god...or if u say i dont believe in him...he still loves u...just like we lovehim!!! 
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Aug 18 2004, 01:22 PM
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 Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
Here we go again... weeeeeee
"when people say that their moral views are derived from their religious commitments, they are often mistaken. In reality, something very different in going on. They are making up their minds about the moral issues first and then interpreting the Scriptures, or church tradition, in such a way as to support the moral conclusion they have already reached" -- James Rachels in Elements of Moral Philosophy. In addition to that, do you suppose that non-believers are moral-less? |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:23 PM
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 Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
the fate of their soul is between them and God.
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Aug 18 2004, 01:24 PM
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Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
that has nothing to do with what i said fae.
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Aug 18 2004, 01:24 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
That is IF God exist.
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Aug 18 2004, 01:25 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 1:24 PM) that has nothing to do with what i said fae. Sure it does... You're saying that our morals derive from God. How do we know what God's standard of morals are? Through religion... and thus this connects to my answer. |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:26 PM
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Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
He does, i assure you.
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Aug 18 2004, 01:27 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 1:26 PM) He does, i assure you. Kthnx, but your assurance doesn't assure me of anything, because I have my own assurance. |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:28 PM
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Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Aug 18 2004, 1:22 PM) Here we go again... weeeeeee "when people say that their moral views are derived from their religious commitments, they are often mistaken. In reality, something very different in going on. They are making up their minds about the moral issues first and then interpreting the Scriptures, or church tradition, in such a way as to support the moral conclusion they have already reached" -- James Rachels in Elements of Moral Philosophy. In addition to that, do you suppose that non-believers are moral-less? no u have a conscience, it tells you what is right and wrong. religion just helps you interperet. non-believers still have conscience. he exists regardless of anyones beliefs. |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:28 PM
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"Back!Break!Anomics!" Group: Member Posts: 198 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 40,870 |
uninspiredfae....why dont u ask god these questions...im sure he will find a way 2 answer u...either thru us...or some how...w/e it is...he still loves u
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Aug 18 2004, 01:32 PM
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 wishing for SIMPLE LOVE with Jay Group: Member Posts: 708 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,601 |
uninspiredfae
You seem really intelligent to me and has a lot of knowledge about God. But it seems to me that you don't believe it, or do not wish to believe it. I am just curious as to why, I just wanna know wut's ur take on the whole Christianity.. *sorrie if u explained it already..i didn't read all the postS* |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:32 PM
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and they say imitation is flattering Group: Member Posts: 1,337 Joined: Jul 2004 Member No: 27,269 |
If no one believed in God, would he still exist?
*assuming that he does |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:32 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 1:28 PM) no u have a conscience, it tells you what is right and wrong. religion just helps you interperet. If my conscience already tells me what I need to know about right and wrong, then why do I need religion to interpret what I already know?  QUOTE non-believers still have conscience. he exists regardless of anyones beliefs. An atheist could say that God do not exist regardless of anyone's belief. There is no right or wrong until you die and find out. QUOTE uninspiredfae....why dont u ask god these questions...im sure he will find a way 2 answer u...either thru us...or some how...w/e it is...he still loves u Okay, asking God would be to assume that I believe.... I'm 19 and I'm finally settled down with jumping from religion to religion. Don't you think that I haven't tried "asking"? If I asked and received an answer, I wouldn't be in this debate at all, don't you think? |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:35 PM
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Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
ok well you know if God came down in all his glory just to talk to you. He could even have a name tag that says Hello my name is God and you still wouldnt believe.
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Aug 18 2004, 01:35 PM
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"Back!Break!Anomics!" Group: Member Posts: 198 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 40,870 |
"Okay, asking God would be to assume that I believe.... I'm 19 and I'm finally settled down with jumping from religion to religion. Don't you think that I haven't tried "asking"? If I asked and received an answer, I wouldn't be in this debate at all, don't you think? "
dont worry im 19 also...i guess u are right u did ask...thats probably why god put u in this forum 2 talk about this...and 2 discuss.....thats why he put us in the same forum...maybe he wants u 2 see wat we are trying 2 say.. |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:36 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(xnastyninjagrlx @ Aug 18 2004, 1:32 PM) uninspiredfae You seem really intelligent to me and has a lot of knowledge about God. But it seems to me that you don't believe it, or do not wish to believe it. I am just curious as to why, I just wanna know wut's ur take on the whole Christianity.. *sorrie if u explained it already..i didn't read all the postS* Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not an atheist, but more of an agnostic deist/humanist, therefore I believe in a Creator. I only disagree with the Christians about the nature of the Creator because it seems too brutal and too contradicting in many cases. Logically, I wouldn't say that God doesn't exist because believing that I am a creation, I must have a Creator. |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:37 PM
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Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
read the bible.
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Aug 18 2004, 01:40 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Aug 18 2004, 1:35 PM) ok well you know if God came down in all his glory just to talk to you. He could even have a name tag that says Hello my name is God and you still wouldnt believe. Because God is Almighty, wouldn't He has a way to prove His existence to a simple mortal? QUOTE dont worry im 19 also...i guess u are right u did ask...thats probably why god put u in this forum 2 talk about this...and 2 discuss.....thats why he put us in the same forum...maybe he wants u 2 see wat we are trying 2 say.. I don't think talking about God with Christians would make me believe in Him, after all I already do believe that a Creator exists. Now, my only qualm is the Christians' way of explaining God... The Bible is written by men who claimed to have heard God's word and I refuse to believe in something written for the purpose of BELIEF. Why? Belief is very personal, not something to be publicized and force others to agree. |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:43 PM
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"Back!Break!Anomics!" Group: Member Posts: 198 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 40,870 |
QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Aug 18 2004, 1:40 PM) Because God is Almighty, wouldn't He has a way to prove His existence to a simple mortal? I don't think talking about God with Christians would make me believe in Him, after all I already do believe that a Creator exists. Now, my only qualm is the Christians' way of explaining God... The Bible is written by men who claimed to have heard God's word and I refuse to believe in something written for the purpose of BELIEF. Why? Belief is very personal, not something to be publicized and force others to agree. wat dont u get about christians? genisis chapter 1 verse 1 ...in the beginning when GOD creater the heavens and the earth... who created..god |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:43 PM
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and they say imitation is flattering Group: Member Posts: 1,337 Joined: Jul 2004 Member No: 27,269 |
I think the concept of God isn't so bad, but when it gets into the details...
Humans have altered Christianity and it's hard to tell what is "true" and what isn't. The bible is a holy document, shouldn't it be flawless? Yet there are many hypocrises in it. |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:46 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(raw_material @ Aug 18 2004, 1:43 PM) wat dont u get about christians? genisis chapter 1 verse 1 ...in the beginning when GOD creater the heavens and the earth... who created..god Well, I've stated many times in this forum before that I do not like the Bible. I believe the Bible and Church are middlemen. If the Christian God exists, there wouldn't be a need for the Church, nor the Bible to prove His existence. Why? Because He is Almighty... And that's what I don't understand about the Christians point of view. Doesn't being Almighty means having control? QUOTE I think the concept of God isn't so bad, but when it gets into the details... That's partly what a Deist believes. |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:48 PM
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wishing for SIMPLE LOVE with Jay Group: Member Posts: 708 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,601 |
I only disagree with the Christians about the nature of the Creator because it seems too brutal and too contradicting in many cases. Logically, I wouldn't say that God doesn't exist because believing that I am a creation, I must have a Creator.
Can u plz explain wut seems brutal and the contradicting parts? The Bible is written by men who claimed to have heard God's word and I refuse to believe in something written for the purpose of BELIEF. Why? Belief is very personal, not something to be publicized and force others to agree. And I don't think the Bible is only for the purpose of Belief. Yah you have to believe everything the Bible says as a Christian. But the Bible to us is a "guide to life" It is God's "little notes" he left for us on how to live our lives. Just like the Muslims have the Koran? ( I think..) But yah it's not juss a couple of men who wrote it from hearing God..disciples such as Mark, Matthew, Luke, John, Peter..actually DID see God as the scriptures mentions. But then again..I know you probably think this is what I BELIEVE and it's just an Opinion..but I'm juss trying to help 
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Aug 18 2004, 01:48 PM
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"Back!Break!Anomics!" Group: Member Posts: 198 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 40,870 |
QUOTE(Thradrien_Blake @ Aug 18 2004, 1:43 PM) I think the concept of God isn't so bad, but when it gets into the details... Humans have altered Christianity and it's hard to tell what is "true" and what isn't. The bible is a holy document, shouldn't it be flawless? Yet there are many hypocrises in it. christianity is just a religion a category....religion aint nothing...wat matters is our walk with god..and how we serve him...and how we do wat the bible says... and who is a hypocrises in the bible? there are many sinners and even pple who followed god sinned againts him and turned his back on him....thats why u learn from mistakes...god is a rightheous god |
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Aug 18 2004, 01:52 PM
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Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
dont judge a book by its cover, actually read it.
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