Why Bush is a horrible president, And why the war is pointless Options

[aicilah999]

QUOTE (XxNenAxX @ Jul 9 2004, 5:00 PM)
...Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity...

These are MY opinions on war. You DON'T have to agree.


point 1--Something that really bugs me is that every one is always like "I remeber 9/11" [(and I do and I feel great empathy)] when referring to the war in Iraq. Iraq/ sadaam(sp?) has nothing to do with 9/11... AT ALL! Did you know that Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia? Yet did you hear about a war with Saudi? NO. Would you like to know why? Because Saudi Arabia own (or contibute, i can't find the word) about 7% of our economy (i don't remember exactly. and did you know that Bush senior and th Bin Laden's are good friends (even after 9/11). I don't think that is a coincidence.

point 2--- Another thing that I've had on my mind is why we Americans won't leave the Iraqi way of living alone. And how we are killing thousands of I raqi people. Thousands! And the reason they are fighting back is not because they "have to" or because they "have weapons of mass distruction" . They are fighting because we are killing there families. Did you know that only 2% of Iraqi people consider Americans lliberators.

point 3---Further more, I can't help but wonder why we [America] are not considered terrorist. Iraq are terrorist because they bomb us, yet we aren't terrorist when we bomb them?? That doesn't seem fair.

point 4--- Bush is killing a countless number of people. The last I heard it was about 900 soldiers that have died. And I can't help but wonder WHY? The war is POINTLESS. Do people not understand? We are fighting for a cause that is non-existent. I know that they did not live under peace and that the women are beat, and I agree that that is wrong. But, that is the way they live. It might seem "immoral" for us, but it is how they live. And we could have helped there government in a different way besides just going and bombing everything.

point 5--- Bush is just plain stupid. He has the lowest IQ of all the presidents. And he himself said "I am a war prsident" like it was nothing. Does he not understand that war means death? and before 9/11 he only spent about 45% (I don't remember the exact percent, it was around there) doing work. All he did was vacation. WHen he found out that the world was under a terrorist attach (when the second plane crashed) he was at a elementry school listening to the teacher read for 7 minutes before leaving to do anything about it. He was a cheerleader in high school (i just thought I had to add that)

Everyone should go see ferenhiet 9/11. It is very good.

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i totally agree with this,....bush juz wants revenge on saddam hussein for his dad.........anyone agree?? hehe....

[*Kathleen*]

honestly, i think bush will do a better job of getting us out of this mess, since he knows exactly what happened to get us in there, and plus, it's his war.

but it's because he got us into this mess, that i don't like him. i abided by him in the begining, untill he attacked iraq.

this country is going to suffer because of this war, regardless of who leads us through it. bush might have caused it- but i think he is the best one to get us out.

Exactly! I don't see how Kerry would help us out any more than Bush will...

and did you know that Bush senior and th Bin Laden's are good friends (even after 9/11). I don't think that is a coincidence.

Um...just because they're related [if you're talking about his family], doesn't mean they believe in the same things as Bin Laden does.

Did you know that only 2% of Iraqi people consider Americans lliberators.

May I ask where you got this statistic?

Further more, I can't help but wonder why we [America] are not considered terrorist. Iraq are terrorist because they bomb us, yet we aren't terrorist when we bomb them?? That doesn't seem fair.

So we weren't supposed to do anything about it? They attacked us first. Well, you're kind of...contridiciting yourself now. You just said in your first point they had nothing to do with it.

point 4--- Bush is killing a countless number of people. The last I heard it was about 900 soldiers that have died.

Um...they volunteered for their services, okay? Would you fight to defend your country? I know I would without any questions asked.

point 5--- Bush is just plain stupid. He has the lowest IQ of all the presidents. And he himself said "I am a war prsident" like it was nothing. Does he not understand that war means death? and before 9/11 he only spent about 45% (I don't remember the exact percent, it was around there) doing work. All he did was vacation. WHen he found out that the world was under a terrorist attach (when the second plane crashed) he was at a elementry school listening to the teacher read for 7 minutes before leaving to do anything about it. He was a cheerleader in high school (i just thought I had to add that)

Wow. I thought you got all of this from Farhenheit 911. Okay, so what would you have done? He was doing normal things before that happened. How was he supposed to know that to do? God. Try being president for a day. I'm sure you'd come back with a different view of things.

Everyone should go see ferenhiet 9/11. It is very good.

So is this your source? That's quite funny.

[jo3]

i'm not gonna even read your statements, because although their your opinions, criticizing someone makes you the immature, uneducated person.

is bush really a bad president? do you think you could do a better job?

does bush really have a low IQ? does that mean an autistic person who has a higher IQ has the potential of being a better president?



i'm so tired of people saying that bush sucks, when i doubt they could do a better job. bush is in such a tight situation with everything going on. had he not gone to war, he would have risked getting attacked first, and getting blamed for it. but since he chose to have the war away from home (and thus protect you), he's getting criticized even more...by people like you. i bet if we didn't go to war, and then some terrorists came into the US and killed your parents, you'd be pretty pissed at Bush...wouldn't u?

whats the point of saying saying that YOUR president sucks? if you have such a big problem with it, why don't you move somewhere that agrees with you? like france...

a mature citizen might see some negative aspects w/ the president, but he/she wouldn't bash him (like some people here, and michael moore has done). he/she would give Bush all the support that he deserves, because he IS the president of the UNITED STATES, and he's fighting for the beliefs that your ancestors (and hopefully you) believe in (freedom).

the 2004 election is coming up. i hope bush is re-elected, but that's just because i tend to be more conservative. however, if kerry is elected, i will give him my full support, because he would be my President.

sry if i came off as harsh...but its true. you needa grow up and respect those who deserve respect, even if you disagree w/ some of their actions

[LaRevolucion]

do you think you could do a better job?
i'm so tired of people saying that bush sucks, when i doubt they could do a better job.

Well, if I thought I could do a better job I would campaign and run, except for the fact that I'm underage and all. He was the one running for president, so obviously he thought he was capable of doing the job, no matter what was put upon his shoulders. He knew what he was in for, running for president and all.

[sadolakced acid]

the fact that kerry won't do a better job doesn't make bush a good president.

but it was bush that got us into iraq without a real reason. that makes him a bad president.

bush got a 1200 or so on his SATs. i would not hire him for a job remotly as challenging as the job he has now.

and it's not that i can do a better job, it's that bush is doing a bad job of it. other presidents have done much better.

[jo3]

the fact that kerry won't do a better job doesn't make bush a good president.

i don't know if this was directed to me, but if it was, i don't remember saying that

but it was bush that got us into iraq without a real reason.  that makes him a bad president.

like i said earlier, there are many reasons bush went into iraq. will the public know all of them? i highly doubt it. but i know that some of the reasons include:

1) he'd rather attack first than get attacked and fight a defensive war
2) oil (what's odd is that there are people who oppose the war, yet they're pissed that gas prices are so high, when Bush is trying to get more oil for the people)
3) finish his dad's job (i'm a Bush supporter, but that doesn't mean that i look past some of his more negative aspects)

bush got a 1200 or so on his SATs.  i would not hire him for a job remotly as challenging as the job he has now.

who cares what he got on his SAT? i wouldn't care if he got a 400 on his SAT. it's a standardized test and it doesn't show how well u'll perform in real life situations

and it's not that i can do a better job, it's that bush is doing a bad job of it.  other presidents have done much better.

other presidents have done much better? you can't say that...no one's been in his position (unless there's been another president who went through 9/11, the war, problems in the middle east, etc.). no one's perfect, not even the President, so don't be so damn critical if he makes some mistakes.

[ryfitaDF]

other presidents have done much better? you can't say that...no one's been in his position (unless there's been another president who went through 9/11, the war, problems in the middle east, etc.). no one's perfect, not even the President, so don't be so damn critical if he makes some mistakes.

FDR went through pearl harbor, world war II, and problems in europe/asia. he even got us out of a depression, which seems like the very opposite of what bush is doing.


and, really, no matter who the president is, people are going to hate him. no matter what.

[jo3]

FDR went through pearl harbor, world war II, and problems in europe/asia. he even got us out of a depression, which seems like the very opposite of what bush is doing.


and, really, no matter who the president is, people are going to hate him. no matter what.

i agree...but what you never know what FDR would do after 9/11...things have changed so much

and FDR went to war after pearl harbor, as bush went to war after 9/11 (but not immediately like FDR). the US eventually helped win the war, but it took 4 years. its only been about a year since we attacked Iraq.

FDR got us out of a depression. bush got us out of the little depression we were going through after 9/11 (although many ppl will disagree w/ this statement, our GDP has increased drastically)


and with your 2nd statement, that is so true. but it's life

[LaRevolucion]

tax cuts, securing the country(please don't make any stupid comment on how bush knew about 9/11, when he had just got into office)

Also everyone who is so against Bush, ya'll need to send the 600 dollars back to him since he is such a horrible person.

This comment was about how Bush was "benifitting" the American people. I find none of it true because of the fact that....."a solid 71 percent are convinced they have received no tax cuts at all. Why? The majority of the tax cuts have been targeted to the very wealthy."

I'm not one of those select few from the "upper class."

Oh yeah....and those $600 haven't arrived yet....

[*Kathleen*]

Meh oh so you think he's benefitting the wealthy people? If that's so, then why are all these celebrities for Kerry - the democrats? Secondly, do you think Kerry is going to be more connected to the average people? He's way richer than Bush is...

[jo3]

This comment was about how Bush was "benifitting" the American people. I find none of it true because of the fact that....."a solid 71 percent are convinced they have received no tax cuts at all. Why? The majority of the tax cuts have been targeted to the very wealthy."

I'm not one of those select few from the "upper class."

Oh yeah....and those $600 haven't arrived yet....

we discussed this in my economics class. my teacher made up a story, but i don't remember it exactly. it went something like this:

8 people went out to eat pizza.  once they finished eating, it was time to pay. the pizza cost $50 (work with me...a pizza will never be $50 but it makes the story easier to understand).

person 1: "i have $50"
person 2: "i have $25"
person 3: "i have $15"
person 4: "i have $5"
person 5: "i have $2"
person 6: "i have $1"
person 7: "i have $0"
person 8: "i have $0"

since person 1 had the most, he put in $30.
person 2 put in $11 because he had alot, but not as much as person 1.
person 3 put in $6 because he had some money, but not as much as the first 2.
person 4 put in $2 because he had a few dollars.
person 5 put in $1 because he had a little bit of money.
person 6 put in $0 because he barely had anything.
person 7 put in $0 because he didn't have anything.
person 8 put in $0 because he had nothing.

the waitress took the money, but a few minutes later, she came back and said: "i forgot that today was discount day, and the pizza is only $35.  so she gave everyone money back.

person 1 got $7 back.
person 2 got $4 back.
person 3 got $2 back.
person 4 got $1 back.
person 5 got $0 back.
person 6 got $0 back.
person 7 got $0 back.
person 8 got $0 back.

person 2 said: "you gave person 1 more money than me!  its not fair!"
person 3 said: "what? i only got $2 back.  i bet you like person 1 better..."
person 4 said: "why did u give all them so much, when you only gave me $1 back.  thats not fair!"
person 5, 6, 7, and 8 said: "give us some money!  if you give them money, then you should give us money, even though we didn't pay anything for the pizza!"

ok i bet i screwed up on the story, but it doesn't matter. the point was that the very wealthy should get most of the tax cuts, because they're the ones who paid the most. Think about what would happen if everyone paid the same amount of taxes. Although everyone would get the same amount of tax cuts, some people wouldn't even be able to afford paying taxes.

i'm not part of the very wealthy class, but i think they should get the most money back since they paid the most

[ComradeRed]

Obviously tax cuts are going to benefit the rich -- THEY ARE THE ONES PAYING THE FREAKING TAXES.

According to Larry Elder, people making $100,000 and more contribute 2/3 of the government's revenue. So of course they are recieving that much back.

[jo3]

Obviously tax cuts are going to benefit the rich -- THEY ARE THE ONES PAYING THE FREAKING TAXES.

According to Larry Elder, people making $100,000 and more contribute 2/3 of the government's revenue. So of course they are recieving that much back.

wow...we finally agree on something

[sadolakced acid]

yes, but the war in iraq was not justified.

what were the bush admin's reasons?

WMDs- yea, we sold them to iraq, that's how we know.

Terrorist connections- where? has Al-queida stopped? are they running out of money now? no.

personally, if i didn't live in america, i'd be an america hater. because i live in america, i'll consent to being a bush hater.

[highly_evolved]

also i think he is attacking iraq to get back at saddam hussein when he tried to assasinate Bush senior. as kerry said "we will not go to war because we want to but because we have to!" and as a bumper sticker said "If in doubt, go to war"

[sadolakced acid]

hey, we spend billions of dollars on our military, might as well use it, right?

[LaRevolucion]

"The Arizona Daily Star reports, "President Bush's re-election campaign insisted on knowing the race of an Arizona Daily Star journalist assigned to photograph Vice President Dick Cheney." Though the newspaper refused to provide the information, the Star's editor, Teri Hayt, said it was the first time in his 26-year career that a journalist's race was made an issue. The editor demanded to know whether the photographer, Mamta Popat, was singled out because of her name. The Bush-Cheney campaign referred the question to the U.S. Secret Service. "One has to wonder what they were going to do with that information," Hayt said. "Because she has Indian ancestry, were they going to deny her access? I don't know." The story follows last week's revelations that the Bush campaign is also demanding signed pledges of allegiance to the Republican Party from people who want to attend a public speech by Vice President Cheney."

Just another reason why I don't like Bush.

[hypnotika]

what else could he do? talk to maniac saddam? i dont think so

[LaRevolucion]

Umm...what are you referring to?

[imm]

Agree with all. This war REALLY is pointless. My kid brother is smarter than him. Really.

[Guarneri]

sorry.



THis WAR WILL NOT END.


this war is gonna lead onto "world war 3".. and this time the battlefield is the mid east.


the key nation will be "ISRAEL".



and also... did you guys know that EUROPE will become one? "EU"


oh yeah... EUROPE will dominate the world pretty soon.


US? we're over. our time has passed.

[ComradeRed]

You are an idiot.

Our GDP growth rate is TWICE that of Europe. If Europe becomes one nation, the only way for it to go will be DOWN. Europe is going to be one big history museum in 20 years, and we both know it. www.freeworldacademy.org

This isn't going to lead to World War III -- there's no nation on Earth that is willing to challenge US power and able to do so.

We should withdraw our support of Israel. The Mid East isn't our fight.

[KaraBaby]

OK here's my opionin:

I'm not Bush lover.
But I really dislike Kerry. All he EVER talks about is the war in Iraq, building stronger allies, and terrorism. He never talks about any other topics! NEVER except for taxes.

What really makes me angry is that all there people are saying that Bush lies. Bull crap. The Clinton administration had the same suspecion. So did the UN. Bush was only in office for a few months before 9/11 happened. With the information Bush was given it would have been stupid not for him to act. And how is it his fault he was given bad information?? Especially when the previous (democrat) president had the same thoughts? And the UN?

There's no doubt in my mind that Kerry is a good person. But I think he'll make a stupid president.

*confuddled*

[aZn_hApPy05]

Half of the things you thought up were...fake. We went to Iraq because Iraq was harboring terrorists. Saddam supported Bin Ladin, so we decided to get tactical and attack someone that helps Ladin.

We arn't being terrorist because: We don't act like pussies, and sneak into an airport and turn into suicide bombers. We told Iraq like big men. "I'm attacking you, so watch out."

How the change a government when a dictator is in the way? You can't. War is inevitable, and it must be charged with full power. Even the bible does not say war is wrong. The cause is there. We are trying to rid the world of dictatorship/communism. That's why we went to Vietnam, and Korea.

So? What if Bush was stupid? At least he knows that war is coming and is inevitable. If I'm correct, he was in the army, so obviously, he would know war means death. War is a sacrifice. If you think about it, war is art.

And who cares if he was a cheerleader? If I was at an elementary school, reading a book, and the plane crashed, I'd keep calm, finish the book, and leave. I wouldn't disrupt an entire school. He may not be smart, but he has common sense.

thank you! u took the words rite out of my mouth.

im sick of people who think they can bash the president and then they give useless information.

kerry would sux at being president cus for...
1. he missed over 80% of being at the senate to vote
2. he was only in vietnam for 4 months.
3.he burned the villages in vietnam. hero? i dont think so.

bush did what was needed to be done when they attacked us. if kerry was pres, he woulda done the same.

[sadolakced acid]

Half of the things you thought up were...fake. We went to Iraq because Iraq was harboring terrorists. Saddam supported Bin Ladin, so we decided to get tactical and attack someone that helps Ladin.

We arn't being terrorist because: We don't act like pussies, and sneak into an airport and turn into suicide bombers. We told Iraq like big men. "I'm attacking you, so watch out."

How the change a government when a dictator is in the way? You can't. War is inevitable, and it must be charged with full power. Even the bible does not say war is wrong. The cause is there. We are trying to rid the world of dictatorship/communism. That's why we went to Vietnam, and Korea.

So? What if Bush was stupid? At least he knows that war is coming and is inevitable. If I'm correct, he was in the army, so obviously, he would know war means death. War is a sacrifice. If you think about it, war is art.

And who cares if he was a cheerleader? If I was at an elementary school, reading a book, and the plane crashed, I'd keep calm, finish the book, and leave. I wouldn't disrupt an entire school. He may not be smart, but he has common sense.

let's go through this slowly, as you being a bush supporter, you aren't used to complete sentences.

1. Half of the things you thought up were...fake that remains to be seen.

2. We went to Iraq because Iraq was harboring terrorists. sadly mistaken. there have been no traces found. no one in iraq has found intelegence about it. and our administration said that Iraq was giving money to osama, NOT harboring him. also , no paper trail has been found to osama.

3. Saddam supported Bin Ladin, so we decided to get tactical and attack someone that helps Ladin. we have no proof that saddam ever supported bin ladin. we have no connection between the two. only fabricated intelegence. sounds like a preemptive strike ordered by idiiots.

4. We arn't being terrorist because: We don't act like pussies, and sneak into an airport and turn into suicide bombers. We told Iraq like big men. "I'm attacking you, so watch out." wait... so you're saying... because we told them.. that makes it right? let me tell you what... there was another country who thought this was ok. or, two. first. germany. they declared that thier submarines would sink any ship regardless of if it was a passenger ship. they sunk the lusitania. all cilivian passengers. only. no weapons. and japan. the suprise attack at pearl harbor was not suppost to be suprise. the declaration of war was to be delivered 5 minutes before the strike. the reason it wasn't? they're typist was a hunt and peck. couldn't type the declaration of war fast enough. so because we told them, that makes it right? just because we have the big budget to bomb them with real bombs, that makes it RIGHT??????

5. How the change a government when a dictator is in the way? You can't. let me tell you something. the iraqi war was not suppost to be about a government change. is was suppost to be because saddam was building chemical and biological weapons again. not to change the government.

6. War is inevitable, and it must be charged with full power. war is not inevitable in this case. they are halfway around the world. we have the ablility to reach them, they don't have the ablility to reach us. for 8 years before, clinton left him alone, and did saddam attack? no. if war was enivitable, why didn't it happen? it is not. not in this case.

7. Even the bible does not say war is wrong. now personally, i consider the bible a book of fiction. but alright, if you belive it. does not it also say, if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek to let them slap it? hehe. i know some parts of the bible. the bible also mentions a UFO leading moses, that angels don't have wings anc come from 'ships in the sky'. well, not the translations. the originals (or the ones that are closer to.)

8. The cause is there. We are trying to rid the world of dictatorship/communism. That's why we went to Vietnam, and Korea.
what about this dictator called fidel castro? on our door step for over 40 years. are we really trying to rid the world of dictatorship/commmunism? what about china? communist. hati? dictatorship. there are tons of dictatorships and communisiums in the world, so why do we attack iraq? must be another reason, this one doesn't play out. vietnam- we lost. i see vietnam as a long war that we lost. why? because we shouldn't have been there messing with them in the first place. it was thier country. (also, you know. in vietnam, we were supporting the dictator's troops, because they were agains communism. ) korea- stalemate. not really working out like those military 'geniusus planed'.

9. So? What if Bush was stupid? i wonder... the man that has control of the country... that can order bombings of anywhere... the man that rule the country for four years... do we really want him to be stupid?? if i owned a McDonalds, and saw bush's resume (SAT- 1200s, governer of texas, national guard of alabama.) i would not hire him. i don't like stupid people.

10. At least he knows that war is coming and is inevitable. well, he does think that, i'll give you that. but as i proved in 6, war s not inevitable. and incase you didn't know, coming and inevitable mean the same thing. it's redundant. and repettitive. it's redundant. and repettitive. it's redundant. and repettitive.

11. If I'm correct, he was in the army, so obviously, he would know war means death. not extactly. i'll give you that he was in the army, but he technically was not. he was in the alabama national guard. the fellow guardmen in his unit do not recall seeing him there most of the time. therefore- he serverd (if you belive his version) on the alabama national guard, and never went to war. never expected to go to war. or, if you don' belive him, he signed up for alabama national guard, and then slipped away back to his ranch in texas. greeatt service. however, he does not know war means death. he's never been in a war. he's never died in a war. nor seen anyone die in a war.

12. And who cares if he was a cheerleader? no, we don't care. it's just great that the man who is crusading against gay marriage was a male cheerleader. i'd love to see bush in a skirt.

13. If I was at an elementary school, reading a book, and the plane crashed, I'd keep calm, finish the book, and leave. alright, you realize that 12. and 13. are in the same paragraph, and do not connect. you're doing a bit better than bush though, you're using real words. i don't count that against him, but could not he keep calm, hand the book off to a teacher, and leave? come one, the kids are going to know anyways. eventually. but i don't count this against him.

14. I wouldn't disrupt an entire school. He may not be smart, but he has common sense as i showed in 13, there are ways not to disrupt an entire school while also leaving. he isn't smart, i agree, and he does have common sense. i'll give you that. but like wachovia says, you need to know how to use it.


alright, thats a breakdown argument. i hope it was easy enough to understand. i hope your response isn't a general assault, and you adress the items i said here, all of them. for your sake. read all 14.

and here's azn happy's argument breakdown.

im sick of people who think they can bash the president and then they give useless information.

kerry would sux at being president cus for...
1. he missed over 80% of being at the senate to vote
2. he was only in vietnam for 4 months.
3.he burned the villages in vietnam. hero? i dont think so.

bush did what was needed to be done when they attacked us. if kerry was pres, he woulda done the same.

1. im sick of people who think they can bash the president and then they give useless information. this is an opinion, and also useless information. but you are entitled to your opinion.

2. kerry would sux at being president cus for...
1. he missed over 80% of being at the senate to vote do you know how many senators vote? bush has never been a senator, but i think he'd have similar voting results. kerry didn't vote all the time- but some senators vote without reading what they're voting on. they could be voting to turn the country over to mexicans for all they know. i think kerry's actions are a bit safer.

3. 2. he was only in vietnam for 4 months. may i ask you how many days bush was in a war? 0. goose egg. none.

4. 3.he burned the villages in vietnam. hero? i dont think so. yes... not excatly a hero. but orders are orders. (sound familiar? soldiers at abu ghurayb prision.)

5. i'm not a fan of kerry. if you'd notice, this thread is about why bush is a horrible president and the war in iraq is pointless, not about why kerry will not make a better president.

6. bush did what was needed to be done when they attacked us. if kerry was pres, he woulda done the same. again, this isn't about kerry. but yes, you are right. bush did what was neede to be done. in afganistan. if you are reffering to iraq, they never attacked us (in our country). but this debate isn't about afganastan, it's about how bush is a bad president and iraq was pointless.

i rest my case.



and here's ... what's that you call it... a pre-emptive strike.

"President Bush received a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1975. After graduating, he moved back to Midland and began a career in the energy business."
that's a direct quote from the white house web site.

energy business... would that be... oil? now... why would he be in iraq trying to sell thier oil? hmm.... so... how many is it? i'll say 1000, correct me (if you're smart, you'd take this chance to prove i said something wrong.) soilders have died in iraq... for what? what's this that bushs companys are getting? cheap oil? only when the iraqis don't bomb the pipelines. why? we're stealing their oil.


happy debating.