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[*kryogenix*]

is it fair that non-christians celebrate christmas with presents and christmas trees? i can't stand it when people openly say how they hate religion and christianity, then come christmas time, they brag about their christmas presents. that goes for easter too. people openly reject jesus christ's resurrection but they celebrate easter. and to add insult to injury, they completely change the meaning by having egghunts and bunnies.

-edit- uh yeah. you can't have it both ways! either become a christian and partake in our holidays, or stay an atheist/agnostic and don't celebrate our holidays, and don't change our holidays either!

[JlIaTMK]

wow kinda abrupt.... Christmas has become a national holiday because this country was born on Christianity.... which kinda sounds wierd but oh well

[XaZnX07]

wow you are really offended by this sorry you feel that way but yeah i gues i know what your saying





.:tonY:.

[Spirited Away]

My family doesn't celebrate Christmas and we don't get presents, but we do enjoy the days off.

HOWEVER, when it comes for our religious holidays, we have to get "special" days off and it's not counted in our pay. If you work full time you can get "sick days" to celebrate your religious holiday.

You're right, we don't have it both ways. When we want to celebrate our religious/cultural holidays, we can't do it without getting permission (schools and work places).

[*kryogenix*]

My family doesn't celebrate Christmas and we don't get presents, but we do enjoy the days off.

HOWEVER, when it comes for our religious holidays, we have to get "special" days off and it's not counted in our pay. If you work full time you can get "sick days" to celebrate your religious holiday.

You're right, we don't have it both ways. When we want to celebrate our religious/cultural holidays, we can't do it without getting permission (schools and work places).

Good for you! I'm glad you realize that this is unfair. People at school ridicule religion yet they look forward to getting Christmas presents.

[Spirited Away]

Good for you! I'm glad you realize that this is unfair. People at school ridicule religion yet they look forward to getting Christmas presents.

That's kind of funny.

But you know what, Christmas is not so attached to a religious holiday as it is attached to a national holiday, something more like a culture. I think those people celebrate it for culture more than anything. But kids will be kids and they'll want presents.

I sang carols and done something things to celebrate it in school before, rarely at home (my Mom fancies herself Catholic, because that was her Mother was, when my Dad's not looking). After all, if I don't get into the spirit of Christmas, I'd be a scrooge. But we don't get a Christmas tree; we don't give each other presents, but we do give presents to others.

I don't celebrate it doesn't meant that I don't have fun with it.

[EmeraldKnight]

But you know what, Christmas is not so attached to a religious holiday as it is attached to a national holiday, something more like a culture. I think those people celebrate it for culture more than anything. But kids will be kids and they'll want presents.

I sang carols and done something things to celebrate it in school before, rarely at home (my Mom fancies herself Catholic, because that was her Mother was, when my Dad's not looking). After all, if I don't get into the spirit of Christmas, I'd be a scrooge. But we don't get a Christmas tree; we don't give each other presents, but we do give presents to others.

I don't celebrate it doesn't meant that I don't have fun with it.

Exactly.. Christmas has been so integrated into our culture, that kids might be teased or ridiculed for not celebrating it.. at the very least they'll feel left out if they dont and their friends do (I'm talking elementary-middle school primarily, by high school/college though, it'll already be stuck in their mindset);

The main problem is that.. too many kids celebrate Christmas without knowing the reason why.. the meaning of Christmas, besides the gifts and the overplayed tv specials and other media influences

[ryfitaDF]

so santa claus and the easter bunny have ANYTHING AT ALL to do with jesus? no.

i selebrate the visit from santa, not the birth of christ.

[Rock_Lee]

is it fair that non-christians celebrate christmas with presents and christmas trees? i can't stand it when people openly say how they hate religion and christianity, then come christmas time, they brag about their christmas presents. that goes for easter too. people openly reject jesus christ's resurrection but they celebrate easter. and to add insult to injury, they completely change the meaning by having egghunts and bunnies.

-edit- uh yeah. you can't have it both ways! either become a christian and partake in our holidays, or stay an atheist/agnostic and don't celebrate our holidays, and don't change our holidays either!

So true. People can be hypocritical.

[EmeraldKnight]

so santa claus and the easter bunny have ANYTHING AT ALL to do with jesus? no.

i sepebrate the visit from santa, not the birth of christ. 

Didnt Santa supposedly choose 12/25 because of its an important religious holiday? (I saw that on a tv special once ); and well.. too many people onli know/think of santa.. and dont know the religious signifiance (I onli found out recently ..); not sure about Easter though.. dunno much about it.. dont celebrate it at all

So true. People can be hypocritical.

Hypocrisy is pretty much a part of human nature..

[inthemudhole]

This is a rather difficult topic..

Christmas has turned so.. so commercialized, that it's not even really that religous anymore.

All anyone cares about anymore are the presents and decorations.
No one really cares about the church aspect of it.
I do, however.

I think that many people celebrate Christmas for the Santa part of it, and not necessarily the Jesus's birth part.

I don't know.
Obviously, you can do whatever you want in your own household.
I'm neutral on this one.
Christmas is quite.. gifty now days.. so, it's not necessarily just for Christians anymore.

Christmas is celebrated by the majority of the country now..
Somehow, I don't think it's right to celebrate Christmas, and not believe in God in some way, shape, or form.
I have nothing against people who do that, however.

If you're a Christian, and you celebrate Christmas.. I think it's necessary to go to church on Christmas Eve, or Christmas. It's just something good to do for your religion.

Yeah. Anyway..

[*kryogenix*]

I'm fine with the gift giving, santa claus and tree, but i don't think it's fair to call it Christmas. Where's the Christ in all of that?

[onenonly101]

Exactly. I hate when people twist holidays and try to make their own ones.

Like where did the easter bunny come into Jesus being crucified and rising from the dead o nthe third day.

People got the whole gift giving thing from when the 3 wisemen brought Jesus gifts after he was born, but now so many people are just concerned with that.

Then on those olidays the church is so filled. I mean i go to First Baptist of Atlanta(dr.charles stanley's church) and it is a big church with a big membership and then on Easter there is barely anyroom to sit down. But the next Sunday it is back to the way it was right before Palm Sunday. I'm just like if you aren't going to celebrate Christ and God throughout the year why do it on one or two days of the year.

[Spirited Away]

Exactly. I hate when people twist holidays and try to make their own ones.

Then what do you suppose non-believers do for Christmas?

When I didn't know anything about Christianity (when I was 8 or so), my Mom gave me flowers on "Noel", saying that Santa left it for me.

Oh wow, we twist it to make it our own when we obviously do the Santa thing as well.

You may very well celebrate Christmas religiously, but others choose to celebrate it culturally. There's no twisting it when everyone wants to have fun.

When people of other faiths have their holidays, they have to get PERMISSION to celebrate it. So you guys have it easy, because the whole nation seems to celebrate with you.

As if businesses do not appreciate people spending their money to buy gifts for their loved ones.

So true. People can be hypocritical.

What's so hypocritical about it, genius? If you don't understand the difference between cultural integration and religious holidays, then I really have nothing more to say.

[inthemudhole]

I'm fine with the gift giving, santa claus and tree, but i don't think it's fair to call it Christmas. Where's the Christ in all of that?

Yeah. That's very true.

They should not call it Christmas if they're not Christians..

[Spirited Away]

Yeah. That's very true.

They should not call it Christmas if they're not Christians..

Pfft, then what do you want us to call it?

[inthemudhole]

Pfft, then what do you want us to call it?

Just call it, like, the winter holidays, or something.
Vague, yet you know what they're talking about.

[Spirited Away]

Just call it, like, the winter holidays, or something.
Vague, yet you know what they're talking about.

Sure, I'll do that and have the person look at me like I'm a snob. Or a kid will call it that and his friends will make fun of him. Great.

Hell, I'll call it as I want to call it, just as long as it understandable to the next person.

[ComradeRed]

Christmas has a secular side too.

THe way I see it, I'll celebrate whatever holiday I want to.

[x hYpErRoSeY x]

thatz definatley unfair n ur really upset bout thi huh? sry

[Spirited Away]

thatz definatley unfair n ur really upset bout thi huh? sry

What's unfair? That people join a culture only to be pushed away because a few can't seem to share their holidays?

How about this, make every religion's holiday be as grand and spirited like Christmas, then we'll all be happy.

[inthemudhole]

Sure, I'll do that and have the person look at me like I'm a snob. Or a kid will call it that and his friends will make fun of him. Great.

Hell, I'll call it as I want to call it, just as long as it understandable to the next person.

Jeez.

There's no reason for people to think you're a snob. Also, there is certainly no reason to be made fun of if you refer to Christmas as the winter holidays.

You don't have to be so bitchy about it..
I think it's a reasonable name.. The Winter Holidays..
That's not snobbish in the least. It just simply states that you don't want to call it Christmas.

You know what?
I don't care what you call it.
Call it Christmas as much as you effing want to.
Who gives a shit.. I mean, if you're going to be all bitchy about a SUGGESTION on an alternative name for Christmas.

Never mind.
Why do I bother..

[Spirited Away]

Jeez.

Goodness.

There's no reason for people to think you're a snob. Also, there is certainly no reason to be made fun of if you refer to Christmas as the winter holidays.

Hmm, there's no reason to make fun of it, you're right. But I don't know what side of town you're living in, because try to walk into.. the "funkier" side of town and talk to those people about the "winter holidays". I'll bet you'd give them a good laugh.

If my 10 year old (imagine with me) want to relate Santa to Christmas, I'm not going to stop him/her and say "honey, you're using the wrong terminology, it's Noel, and/or winter holidays, not Christmas. That's being hypocritical and those nice, Christian folks, will think you're a bad boy because of it." Puhleeeze.

You don't have to be so bitchy about it..
I think it's a reasonable name.. The Winter Holidays..
That's not snobbish in the least. It just simply states that you don't want to call it Christmas.

And you don't have to be so selfish about it. Ever heard of "getting into the spirit of Christmas?". Where the hell's the spirit when you want the other half of the population to call it another name just because you don't like it to be called that way by other people? You're going to make a word/term into something discriminatory.

You know what?
I don't care what you call it.
Call it Christmas as much as you effing want to.Who gives a shit.. I mean, if you're going to be all bitchy about a SUGGESTION on an alternative name for Christmas.

Oh, you would definately know when I'm being "bitchy" about something, but this isn't one of my "BF" ("bitch fit"). I'm mostly being sarcastic so you would know the silliness of the whole accusation.

Never mind.
Why do I bother..

[EmeraldKnight]

Jeez.

There's no reason for people to think you're a snob. Also, there is certainly no reason to be made fun of if you refer to Christmas as the winter holidays.

That is a stupid reason to be made fun of, considering that many holidays occur around the same time..

You know what?
I don't care what you call it.
Call it Christmas as much as you effing want to.
Who gives a shit.. I mean, if you're going to be all bitchy about a SUGGESTION on an alternative name for Christmas.

Wow, looks like you're letting others get to you a bit as well..

I'm confused.. why are we discussing the name?

[haejung012]

it depends... some people belive that santa is anti-christian... my friend used to live in a small town and they refused to give presents because of that reason