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CA's Prop 8, FL's amendment 2 and Arizona's prop 102/ Defining marriage, Surprised this never got mentioned here.
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post Oct 29 2008, 09:15 PM
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Surprised this never got mentioned here. CA's Prop 8, FL's amendment 2 and Arizona's prop 102, and the whole defining gay marriage. With election coming up pretty soon, Prop 8 has been a big issue.

The argument is that Prop 8, amendment 2 and prop 102 will define that marriage between a man and a woman will be the only legal kind of marriage in California for prop 8, Florida for amendment 2, and Arizona with prop 102.

Some people argue that it has nothing to do with gay rights, or about gays in general
yet mention that if it doesn't pass parental rights, and religious freedom gets taken away.

Others mention that it does (take away gay rights), If the law passes Same sex couples will not be able to
1. Marry the person they love.
2. Those who are already married will lose the rights that come with it.


There is also the argument that Marriage is about love regardless of gender (Love is Blind).
yet others strongly believe that marriage is a religious, spiritual union between a man and a women.

To start a discussion here are several questions
1. what do you feel will happen if these laws passes and soon spreads to other states?
2. What do you feel marriage is, and should the idea of same sex marriage be allowed?
3. What do you think will happen to the children whose parents happen to be both male or female, If these laws passes what do you think will happen to the children?
 

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Blaqheartedstar   CA's Prop 8, FL's amendment 2 and Arizona's prop 102/ Defining marriage   Oct 29 2008, 09:15 PM
dosomethin888   Well, Im going to go read the rest of "Eclips...   Nov 3 2008, 02:12 AM
brooklyneast05   it might be a "fundamental reason" but t...   Nov 3 2008, 03:32 PM
Reidar   A technicality is a detail mattering only to the i...   Nov 3 2008, 03:47 PM
brooklyneast05   this topic is about prop 8. if that somehow relate...   Nov 3 2008, 04:01 PM
Reidar   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2008, 04:01 ...   Nov 3 2008, 04:07 PM
paperplane   QUOTE(Reidar @ Nov 3 2008, 03:25 PM) 2.) ...   Nov 3 2008, 04:55 PM
Reidar   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 3 2008, 04:55 PM) ...   Nov 3 2008, 05:48 PM
paperplane   QUOTE(Reidar @ Nov 3 2008, 05:48 PM) Exce...   Nov 3 2008, 06:40 PM
Reidar   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 3 2008, 06:40 PM) ...   Nov 3 2008, 06:58 PM
dosomethin888   QUOTEThat site operates on circumstantial reasonin...   Nov 3 2008, 05:19 PM
dosomethin888   QUOTEIt shows accuracy in regards to depicting a r...   Nov 3 2008, 05:52 PM
Reidar   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 3 2008, 05:52 P...   Nov 3 2008, 06:03 PM
coconutter   I really hope this doesn't get passed, taking ...   Nov 4 2008, 01:20 AM
dafto   QUOTE(coconutter @ Nov 3 2008, 10:20 PM) ...   Nov 4 2008, 01:23 AM
coconutter   QUOTE(dafto @ Nov 4 2008, 03:23 AM) I ser...   Nov 4 2008, 01:26 AM
dafto   QUOTE(coconutter @ Nov 3 2008, 10:26 PM) ...   Nov 4 2008, 01:35 AM
brooklyneast05   ^seriously tell me how taking kids to church is no...   Nov 4 2008, 05:48 PM
TiffanyFactorial   ^ exactly. We are not forcing their lifestyles on...   Nov 5 2008, 02:23 AM
paperplane   I cannot believe this shit passed.   Nov 5 2008, 02:29 AM
misoshiru   what the tiddly-winks. they passed prop 8?   Nov 5 2008, 02:32 AM
misoshiru   tiddly-winks YOU CALIFORNIA   Nov 5 2008, 02:34 AM
only-tuesdays   It hasn't officially passed yet. There are sti...   Nov 5 2008, 02:35 AM
dosomethin888   WOOT WOOT! I hope they all pass. But, the US i...   Nov 5 2008, 03:08 AM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 5 2008, 04:08 A...   Nov 5 2008, 07:39 AM
fameONE   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 5 2008, 02:08 A...   Nov 5 2008, 11:12 AM
paperplane   QUOTE(fameONE @ Nov 5 2008, 11:12 AM) Go ...   Nov 5 2008, 01:22 PM
misoshiru   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 5 2008, 04:08 P...   Nov 5 2008, 11:27 AM
Janette   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 5 2008, 12:08 A...   Nov 5 2008, 01:43 PM
paperplane   God, just stop talking.   Nov 5 2008, 03:08 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 5 2008, 01:08 AM) ...   Nov 5 2008, 03:12 AM
paperplane   No shit.   Nov 5 2008, 03:20 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 5 2008, 01:20 AM) ...   Nov 5 2008, 03:22 AM
paperplane   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 5 2008, 03:22 A...   Nov 5 2008, 03:26 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 5 2008, 01:26 AM) ...   Nov 5 2008, 03:27 AM
Tung   ^ I can't take you seriously, considering you ...   Nov 5 2008, 03:25 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(Tung @ Nov 5 2008, 01:25 AM) ^ I ca...   Nov 5 2008, 03:26 AM
Blaqheartedstar   QUOTE(Tung @ Nov 5 2008, 03:25 AM) ^ I ca...   Nov 5 2008, 03:56 AM
only-tuesdays   I am so so so very disappointed in California righ...   Nov 5 2008, 10:06 AM
Blaqheartedstar   QUOTE(only-tuesdays @ Nov 5 2008, 10...   Nov 5 2008, 02:25 PM
brooklyneast05   i'm pretty surprised by the outcome   Nov 5 2008, 01:52 PM
Melissa   ^ me too. first came shock, then came sadness.   Nov 5 2008, 01:59 PM
Tung   I voted Yes - Prop 8 No - Prop 4   Nov 5 2008, 02:02 PM
misoshiru   QUOTE(Tung @ Nov 6 2008, 03:02 AM) I vote...   Nov 5 2008, 02:52 PM
misoshiru   yeah kris! I think that a lot of the women at...   Nov 5 2008, 03:40 PM
kryogenix   Not to say that it's right, but I feel the rea...   Nov 5 2008, 03:50 PM
cakedout   im not a poli sci major, but wouldnt the passing o...   Nov 5 2008, 05:43 PM
Reidar   Not legally, because of how subjective the interpr...   Nov 5 2008, 05:58 PM
cakedout   QUOTE(Reidar @ Nov 5 2008, 02:58 PM) Not ...   Nov 5 2008, 09:59 PM
Reidar   QUOTE(cakedout @ Nov 5 2008, 09:59 PM) ye...   Nov 5 2008, 11:24 PM
cakedout   QUOTE(Reidar @ Nov 5 2008, 08:24 PM) Yes,...   Nov 6 2008, 03:21 PM
Reidar   QUOTE(cakedout @ Nov 6 2008, 03:21 PM) So...   Nov 6 2008, 04:35 PM
cakedout   QUOTE(Reidar @ Nov 6 2008, 01:35 PM) The ...   Nov 6 2008, 05:12 PM
coconutter   WHY ARE THEY TAKING RIGHTS AWAY FROM CITIZENS WHA...   Nov 5 2008, 06:06 PM
Reidar   This thing passed, yet Proposition 4 (parental not...   Nov 5 2008, 06:48 PM
paperplane   QUOTE(Reidar @ Nov 5 2008, 06:48 PM) This...   Nov 5 2008, 09:02 PM
Joss-eh-lime   QUOTE(Reidar @ Nov 5 2008, 03:48 PM) This...   Nov 5 2008, 11:53 PM
coconutter   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Nov 6 2008, 01...   Nov 7 2008, 09:02 PM
Reidar   QUOTE(coconutter @ Nov 7 2008, 09:02 PM) ...   Nov 8 2008, 12:41 AM
xoxo_proud   I can't believe this didn't pass. I was re...   Nov 5 2008, 08:29 PM
Tung   Yanlin, I was just kidding. I didn't even vote...   Nov 5 2008, 09:12 PM
misoshiru   QUOTE(Tung @ Nov 6 2008, 10:12 AM) Yanlin...   Nov 5 2008, 11:10 PM
paperplane   well, not quite... but almost   Nov 5 2008, 11:15 PM
Tung   Hey don't judge me because I chose not to vote...   Nov 5 2008, 11:17 PM
brooklyneast05   so, is this retroactive? what about all the gay co...   Nov 7 2008, 08:36 AM
paperplane   If it's retroactive, it will be found unconsti...   Nov 7 2008, 02:31 PM
kryogenix   I ask because I don't know, but was the initia...   Nov 7 2008, 02:38 PM
brooklyneast05   speaking of constitutional, i don't understand...   Nov 7 2008, 02:43 PM
cakedout   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 7 2008, 11:43 ...   Nov 7 2008, 05:35 PM
paperplane   QUOTE(cakedout @ Nov 7 2008, 05:35 PM) i ...   Nov 7 2008, 05:48 PM
cakedout   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 7 2008, 02:48 PM) ...   Nov 7 2008, 05:49 PM
Reidar   QUOTE(cakedout @ Nov 7 2008, 05:35 PM) i ...   Nov 7 2008, 05:48 PM
kryogenix   Some would argue that the constitution is absolute...   Nov 7 2008, 03:51 PM
paperplane   If it were too specific it wouldn't have laste...   Nov 7 2008, 05:03 PM
brooklyneast05   oh, hmmmm. well, that's fucked up. especially ...   Nov 7 2008, 05:40 PM
brooklyneast05   RE: CA's Prop 8, FL's amendment 2 and Arizona's prop 102/ Defining marriage   Nov 7 2008, 05:51 PM
paperplane   That's not my point, though. Heterosexual dome...   Nov 7 2008, 05:55 PM
dafto   1. The marriages are definitely retroactive as the...   Nov 7 2008, 11:19 PM
cakedout   this arguement is useless, it will be legalized wi...   Nov 10 2008, 06:27 PM
misoshiru   the governator opposes prop 8 http://www.washingt...   Nov 10 2008, 10:07 PM
vogueXdirge   I don't know why people can't just live an...   Nov 10 2008, 11:58 PM
Tung   lmao @ cakeedout hellaaa proottecctivee ovv gayy R...   Nov 11 2008, 07:10 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(Tung @ Nov 11 2008, 06:10 PM) lmao ...   Nov 11 2008, 07:14 PM
Janette   Pretty much this.   Nov 12 2008, 01:39 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(Janette @ Nov 12 2008, 12:39 AM) Pr...   Nov 12 2008, 03:04 AM
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