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Is the Confederate Flag Racist? |
May 22 2004, 11:55 AM
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Many people have different views on this. Some say no because the flag is their heritage and many say yes because of what it represents now i nthe present. So the question is If the Confederate Flag Racist.
This was started on another forum and this is what i had to say (keep in mind some people were replying back so, sorry if i repeated my self in any sentences, also it was also starting to talk about the war) QUOTE My opinion on the confederate flag is all over the place actually. i think that it the ways it is used can be racist. it started off as a symbol of pride and finished off as a symbol of haterd. many people have twisted the flag and its view to make it as a symbol of haterd not only against blacks, but jews, hispanics, catholics, and anyone who was not like them. Personally i do not think that there should have been a confederate flag in the first place because as the so called United States we shouldn't have ever divided ourselves. Ok when i say it has turned out to now be a symbol of racism i mean that when the flag first came about it was all about southern pride and heritage and what not. but after the civil war when the KKK was created they used the flag as a symbol of haterd of minorities and when in the 50s when all the hate groups were becoming even more fired up against blacks they waved around that flag at all their meetings when they were saying i hate blacks, jews, and everybody who isn't me. some people now still see it as only a symbol of heritage, but you have to put yourself in a minorties body and see what we see when every time you see the flag it is always associated with somethingd bad as racism, what more can you think. I don't think anyone said the war was just about slavery. It was about states rights and slavery because the question of states rights arose because of slavery. The thing is now the flag is associated with all the hate groups. They don't have the right to use it but it doesn't change the fact that they do use it. When everything is all done and said with all people will remember is that neo-nazi, kkk, and other hate groups used that flag. I say i don't like to see the flag because all i see is hate. I haven't been taught to only see hate. I actually used to believe that is wasn't racist, when everyone said it was. The thing is that when i started researching things like the Civil war and other things I realized the intentions of it weren't meant to be racist but it is now and there is nothing to change that. Ya'll keep saying it wasn't over slavery. The reason the states succeeded to union wqas because of slavery. The issue of states right to govern and allow to have slaves is what caused the split. If there wasn't the issue of slavery i can bet there wouldn't have been a civil war. How can a flag hold your heritage. There is no more Confederacy so you there shouldn't be the Confederate flag. How can you love a flag that represents separation?. Like i said before you have to look from the other point of view. I've been on both sides and everytime i see that flag it is behind someone saying they agree with separation. take how you wanna, but in my eyes it is racist, I never said the north was dead set against slavery or that northern states didn't have slaves so i don't know how that got into the agrument. Also they returned the slaves bcak because there was rewards, everybody is money hungry AND laws. Also those states that had slave in the north went with the succession with the south so then they were apart of the confederacy. Poor people did have slaves. Most of the southerners yeah weren't rich enough to buy many slaves, but that doesn't mean that they didn't have slaves. Almost one-third of all Southern families owned slaves. In Mississippi and South Carolina it approached one half. Also the states who were near the north weren't considered nothern states they were ocnsidered borderline states. And they did not suceede to the Confederacy. I shouldn't have said if i did, slavery was the only reason. The slavery issue however was the largest issue and the one of most concern. Other factors like politcally stemmed from slavery because before they made the 3/4 compromise, people in the North said if they are just property then they shouldn't be counted toward the voting rep in Congress, but the Southerns disagreed because the more people the more reps you could have. That was one of the issues that started the Civil War.The South also suceeded because they though Lincolin was going to free slaves even though he never advocated abolishing slavery. But back to the flag I meant to ask ya'll before what Confederate do you love or whatever. Because for example Georgia's flag up until 2001 was not the original Confederate flag it was a Confederate flag put up to protest the Supreme court's decision on Brown vs. Board of Education. The flag is a representation of slavery because there wasn't a confederate flag until the succession. What i don't understand is how you say you have an alliegence to a flag of a nonexistent place. There is no more Union or Confederacy it is simply the United States of America. Yeah the Confederacy consisted of southern states but doesn't mean that it should represent the states or what not. finished sorry it was alot |
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onenonly101 Is the Confederate Flag Racist? May 22 2004, 11:55 AM
kryogenix the flag isn't racist. neither is the swastika... May 22 2004, 12:01 PM
WildGriffin QUOTEthe flag isn't racist. neither is the swa... May 22 2004, 12:31 PM
WhiteChocolate QUOTE(WildGriffin @ May 22 2004, 12:31 PM)And... May 22 2004, 12:47 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEThat is a racist view in itself.
You are ab... May 22 2004, 02:31 PM
onenonly101 QUOTE(kryogenix @ May 22 2004, 12:01 PM)the f... May 22 2004, 05:44 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEI'm from the South and i feel no connecti... May 22 2004, 05:47 PM
Jiggapin0 The Confederates lost. Geez, get rid of your flag... May 23 2004, 01:35 AM
strice the flag itself isn't racist, but the people t... May 23 2004, 03:13 AM
flyin_HAWAiiAN QUOTE(strice @ May 23 2004, 3:13 AM)the flag ... May 23 2004, 03:43 AM
WhiteChocolate QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 22 2004, 5:47 PM)Th... May 23 2004, 08:04 AM
kryogenix QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 22 2004, 5:44 PM)flag... May 23 2004, 08:43 AM
juliar QUOTEi agree, its what the flag stands for, same a... May 23 2004, 09:09 AM
WildGriffin A majority of people, not all, but a majority of t... May 23 2004, 09:48 AM
pimpin231 THE FLAG MEANS REBEL May 23 2004, 10:06 AM
EmeraldKnight QUOTETHE FLAG MEANS REBEL No comment
QUO... May 23 2004, 11:03 AM
juliar I agree with emerald...I mean, if it offends you, ... May 23 2004, 11:21 AM
onenonly101 When the flag is on the state capital it implies t... May 24 2004, 10:41 AM
ComradeRed The Confederate Flag is part of history... it shou... May 24 2004, 11:00 AM
darkcoldplace doesn't seem racist to me but, anyways no comm... May 24 2004, 11:05 AM
ComradeRed QUOTE(WildGriffin @ May 23 2004, 9:48 AM)A ma... May 24 2004, 11:14 AM
EmeraldKnight A little obsessed there, eh Minda? May 24 2004, 04:08 PM
ComradeRed Ok so my post was a little long... I was writing L... May 24 2004, 04:14 PM
EmeraldKnight CFL? haha alt hists is great.. have you read the b... May 24 2004, 04:15 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 4:15 PM)CF... May 24 2004, 04:19 PM
EmeraldKnight Oh, haha, i dont think we have that here.. maybe w... May 24 2004, 04:20 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 4:20 PM)Oh... May 24 2004, 04:24 PM
EmeraldKnight Why evil? May 24 2004, 04:29 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 4:29 PM)Wh... May 24 2004, 04:30 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEHave you ever heard of a not-evil twin?
Yes, ... May 24 2004, 04:33 PM
TBoltzbabe um back on topic, i do think the confederate flag ... May 24 2004, 05:19 PM
machinoman im sick of people bashing the south. the south sho... May 24 2004, 05:25 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEthe flag was only used during the 4 years the... May 24 2004, 05:30 PM
machinoman QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 5:30 PM)It... May 24 2004, 05:48 PM
juliar QUOTE(TBoltzbabe @ May 24 2004, 5:19 PM)um ba... May 24 2004, 05:53 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(TBoltzbabe @ May 24 2004, 5:19 PM)um ba... May 24 2004, 06:02 PM
machinoman QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 6:02 PM)Machi... May 24 2004, 06:40 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(machinoman @ May 24 2004, 6:40 PM)I nev... May 24 2004, 06:59 PM
machinoman QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 6:59 PM)The N... May 24 2004, 07:04 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(machinoman @ May 24 2004, 7:04 PM)Ahhh.... May 24 2004, 07:07 PM
machinoman QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 7:07 PM)Linco... May 24 2004, 07:27 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(machinoman @ May 24 2004, 7:27 PM)The b... May 24 2004, 07:30 PM
machinoman It was a declared blockade yet. It wasn't offi... May 24 2004, 07:32 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(machinoman @ May 24 2004, 7:32 PM)It wa... May 24 2004, 07:33 PM
machinoman QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 7:33 PM)It wa... May 24 2004, 07:44 PM
EmeraldKnight What IS de facto? May 24 2004, 08:52 PM
WhiteChocolate And ermm...didn't stupid Lincoln BREAK the con... May 25 2004, 10:49 AM
ComradeRed QUOTE(WhiteChocolate @ May 25 2004, 10:49 AM)... May 25 2004, 11:57 AM
TBoltzbabe QUOTESo that 15 years just disappears from history... May 25 2004, 01:43 PM
ComradeRed QUOTEThat's true, but out of the 228 years the... May 25 2004, 04:33 PM
juliar To add on to my argument..Lincoln once said
QUOTEI... May 25 2004, 04:39 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(juliar @ May 25 2004, 4:39 PM)To add on... May 25 2004, 04:47 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 24 2004, 8:52 PM)Wh... May 25 2004, 04:53 PM
TBoltzbabe QUOTEAmerica's flag was designed during a Revo... May 25 2004, 04:59 PM
ComradeRed QUOTEhowever we earned our independence from great... May 25 2004, 05:05 PM
jewishbabeygirl87 i think that it kind of is becasue it was created ... May 25 2004, 05:15 PM
juliar QUOTE(jewishbabeygirl87 @ May 25 2004, 5:15 P... May 25 2004, 05:31 PM
TBoltzbabe QUOTE(juliar @ May 25 2004, 5:31 PM)they... May 26 2004, 12:35 AM
ComradeRed QUOTE(TBoltzbabe @ May 26 2004, 12:35 AM)yes ... May 26 2004, 08:49 AM
Spirited Away I think I can see where TBoltzbabe is going with t... May 26 2004, 10:10 AM
ComradeRed So some people find it offensive. Others might not... May 26 2004, 11:04 AM
Spirited Away QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 26 2004, 11:04 AM)So s... May 26 2004, 11:21 AM
JlIaTMK the flag isnt racist
the history behind it is....
... Jun 24 2004, 05:01 PM
Mr. Psychotic i didnt read that much posts here but yeah the con... Jun 25 2004, 12:42 AM
EmeraldKnight This topic's still going on? eesh..
Well.. a ... Jun 29 2004, 12:56 AM
Spirited Away QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jun 29 2004, 12:56 AM)s... Jun 29 2004, 01:34 PM
ThunderEvermore 85% of southern land owners did not own slaves dur... Jun 29 2004, 01:39 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(ThunderEvermore @ Jun 29 2004, 1:39 PM)... Jun 29 2004, 01:41 PM
ThunderEvermore Well I would say the flag isnt really racist.
Eit... Jun 29 2004, 01:44 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEWell I would say the flag isnt really racist.... Jun 29 2004, 04:12 PM
onenonly101 Ok the dicussion kinda differ from racism into sla... Jun 29 2004, 04:16 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEOk the dicussion kinda differ from racism int... Jun 29 2004, 04:30 PM
stryker76 QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 22 2004, 6:44 PM)I... Jun 30 2004, 09:32 AM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEThey flag generally repersents that yes.....b... Jun 30 2004, 10:04 AM
onenonly101 QUOTEthe flag now represents the struggle the sout... Jul 2 2004, 10:35 AM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEThe discrimination part is more of an opinion... Jul 2 2004, 11:41 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 29 2004, 4:16 PM)Ok t... Jul 3 2004, 10:16 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEUh... try more like 95% didn't own slaves... Jul 3 2004, 10:40 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 3 2004, 10:40 PM)Ok... Jul 3 2004, 10:42 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEMy history book puts it at 5/6 -- that's ... Jul 3 2004, 10:50 PM
ComradeRed What point? I just brought up some stats. Jul 3 2004, 10:52 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEWhat point? I just brought up some stats.... Jul 3 2004, 10:56 PM
AntiAnodyne QUOTE(WhiteChocolate @ May 22 2004, 12:47 PM)... Jul 3 2004, 10:57 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEAnd your reply was the stupidest shit too. Th... Jul 3 2004, 11:02 PM
ComradeRed The Southern Way of Life is about a lot more than ... Jul 3 2004, 11:06 PM
angel-roh wait so u guys are saying that if i put my korean ... Jul 5 2004, 06:19 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(anqel_r0h @ Jul 5 2004, 6:19 PM)wait so... Jul 5 2004, 08:15 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEwait so u guys are saying that if i put my ko... Jul 5 2004, 09:35 PM
onenonly101 QUOTE(anqel_r0h @ Jul 5 2004, 6:19 PM)wait so... Jul 6 2004, 03:30 PM
ComradeRed QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 6 2004, 3:30 PM)no, b... Jul 6 2004, 03:32 PM
onenonly101 No because the Confederate flag is not the U.S. fl... Jul 6 2004, 03:44 PM
ComradeRed And many Chinese were killed with Japanese flags f... Jul 6 2004, 04:06 PM
onenonly101 My point was that hanging the American flag on you... Jul 6 2004, 04:49 PM
ComradeRed And the Japanese Flag might represent racism to ma... Jul 6 2004, 07:19 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 6 2004, 7:19 PM)5/6 of... Jul 6 2004, 08:46 PM
ComradeRed The six major changes in the CSA Constitution are:... Jul 6 2004, 08:51 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEThat is the case for many people, however, to... Jul 7 2004, 01:34 AM
Spirited Away QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 7 2004, 1:34 AM)Bla... Jul 7 2004, 09:06 AM
onenonly101 QUOTESince when are people's free speech right... Jul 8 2004, 01:34 PM
TBoltzbabe if the person who displays the flag is doing it wi... Jul 8 2004, 01:47 PM![]() ![]() |