My feeble attempt at the explanation of Christianity., You ask questions, and I'll try to answer. Rating Options

[monster]

I guess I feel like throwing out a question. Haven't been around here in a while.

If I love Jesus, does that make me gay?

Just kidding.
What's Christianity's reply to Islam being the "final revision" of God's word (since Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all supposedly revisions of His word)?

By the way, Islam cannot be the final revision to God's word because it directly contradicts the Bible. In the Quran, Jesus is mentioned 93 times. It also states that Jesus was NOT crucified.

In Islam, everyone goes to hell, and everyone pays for their sins. It's basically a let "bygones be bygones" type religion in Islam. Jesus didn't pay for your sins, you do, according to Islam.

[brooklyneast05]

In Islam, everyone goes to hell, and everyone pays for their sins. It's basically a let "bygones be bygones" type religion in Islam. Jesus didn't pay for your sins, you do, according to Islam.

wow, i didn't know that. so hell isn't eternal there?

[monster]

1. How does the presence of imperfection logically affect the perfection of an independent quality? Further, if god is omnipresent, isn't he always in the presence of all imperfection at all time? Even further, god isn't material, is he? If he is, then, how can he ever be in the presence of anything?
2. God, in his omnipotence, can simply teach us by means of magical Christian voodoo. Seriously, if god is all powerful he should be able to think up far more benevolent ways (especially given his omnibenevolence) to "teach" us. But, more importantly, your answer ignored my question. How is suffering in hell necessary? If hell is eternal what is the purpose of learning - you'll always just be stuck in hell.
3. This isn't an answer, you're just begging the question ad nauseam. How is it just to punish finite crimes infinitely?
4. So, we aren't supposed to honestly investigate the existence of god? We're just supposed to accept that he is there? And, further, what the hell is up his ass - I mean, I've heard of controlling, but, f**k! That doesn't sound like love, that sounds like megalomania.
5. No.

1) It's not that God cannot be necessarily in the presence of sin. It's more that sin cannot be in the presence of God. And yes, God is a spirit. But we don't/cannot understand any language except the language of the world. Anything in which God is personified, it's just anthropomorphism. How many angles can dance on a pin? As many as they want.

2) Hell, in plain man terms, is used to better show and help us understand what Jesus set out to do, and what he did for us. Why is there suffering in Hell? You first must understand that hell was not necessarily for us. We were meant to enjoy our stay in the Garden of Eden, but we know what happens. Since like I mentioned above, if sin cannot be in the presence of God, ( I'll say it like that from now on ) then there is only one place the soul can go.

But I think I've still been avoiding the question. Why? Because God's wrath must go in one place or another. In this case, God's wrath goes to Hell with Satan and his minions, but if you cannot accept Jesus as your savior, you are bound to Hell.

3) How is it just? I don't know. ( I'll try to get back to this later once I read what I wrote earlier.

4) God gave us a mind and conscience so that we could, if we wanted to, find valid reasons before we actually accept Christ. Christ doesn't expect anyone to reason blindly. We are all meant to learn before we do anything.

[monster]

wow, i didn't know that. so hell isn't eternal there?

In Islam, you pay for your sins in Hell, however long that may be.

Allah does not forgive. He sends you to hell.

[monster]

If Hell was originally created for Satan and his Demons then at what point did God say, "Awwww, what the fuck. Let's just send people who don't believe in me down there too." Why does God send people to hell?

Why did God create sin in the first place?

If God created sin then wouldn't that mean that he's sinning... it's indirect, but it's sin. If it wasn't for God then we wouldn't be able to sin in the first place. Is God a sinner?

Explain...

Alright, no problem.

1) Sin is no match for God, so it cannot be in the presence of God. God doesn't like sending people to Hell, but he is a two-dimensional God. He is just as he is merciful. But sin must be paid through the cross. If you don't accept Jesus as your savior, then you are paying for your own sins.

2) Sin was created for the purpose of glorifying God later on down the road. God uses all things for his greater works.

3) No, God cannot sin. ;)

[monster]

^ Like the role Iscariot played...

If God is a true and fair God:

Can Lucifer be forgiven?

Lucifer is the only being ( not a man ) who will not be forgiven for his sins.

Now before you say anything about how God is a forgiving God, let me remind you. God's mercy reaches out only to mankind. Spirits not included. ( Sorry, Angels. )

[monster]

It depends on how you say it Podo. I Actually know the answers the questions I was asking you. I'm a Christian too. Althought, you're right. God is love, and that's the answer to all your questions. Look into it. It's pretty interesting. xD

Also, keep in mind, love is relative to the person you're speaking to. You will never love like God can love. Hell, you can try. That's what you're suppossed to do, but to truely love someone you have to know everything. What you're trying to do is very difficult. I like giving you a hard time. I feel like it will only make you grow.

Of course. I was in no way attempting to be like Christ in his love for all. But I realize that in my conquest through spiritual warfare, I realize my weapon and primary tool in it is Christ's love. Indeed I will try to love you all.

[monster]

Okay, your faith is based on a bible that was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. It was then translated into Latin thousands of times over before ever being translated into English, which I am assuming is your native language.
So you are telling me that your faith in God, what you are devoting your life to, is in the hands of some men you have never met and their translating abilities?
English is baby talk compared to these other languages. Who knows what "virgin Mother" meant then, or "being swallowed by a whale". What about the burning bush? Or the angels coming from the sky? WHO KNOWS what that meant back then? Who knows if that is even what they wrote? I mean every version of the bible you get is different.
I think if there is a God we have it all wrong, he is not a parental figure in the sky that loves and waits for us to join him on a nice fluffy cloud in heaven. He doesn't watch our every move and know everything about us. He doesn't curse us with bad things if we have pre-marital sex. He just doesn't care, if he is there he is something beyond what the bible could explain, even if it had been written in English.

The bible is so full of hocus pocus, but you don't want kids to read books about magic?

I don't know what my question is, I just though I should put my two cents in and see what you have to say.

1) I agree with you, it does seem strange that we are putting our lives on a translation that could have been translated wrong, but of course, we do go back to the original documents and retranslate everything for accuracy's sake. They have checked up and are relevant to the original Scriptures.

2) Why does God not care? For he so gave his only begotten son...

[RAWRstephishere]

For he so gave his only begotten son...

How was Jesus his begotten son? Doesnt begotten mean related by blood? So doesnt that mean he has to be the father, yet he wasnt?

[*karmakiller2*]

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[Spirited Away]

*koff*.... what the heezy?

[*jeanna*]

most people would kill themselves if god was a girl.

[vehvih]

You know what I think? I think the Bible is a metaphor, like everything in it. I don't know how I come up with it but it's like, God being our brains, Jesus being our hearts, and the Holy Spirit being our conscience.

Yes, I'm atheist.
No, I'm not a Catholic anymore.

[Insurmountable]

^x2 Really? I never thought anyone would kill themselves if it ended up being a girl *shrug

I don't see how they could back it up so much to really make it true and believable. Although I know a lot of good bullshitters.

^That's an interesting way of looking at things. *thinks

[Laughsalot]

ok i'm confused. one person said satan pulls us to hell while another person says god sends us to hell. which one is it. and think about it. if we don't want to go to hell it means we ourselves aren't sinners. by wanting to go to hell we are enbracing sin. so by just the one thought of not wanting to go to hell that would mean we would be enbracing jesus/god in some way thus wouldn't we all go to heaven either way?

[Uronacid]

ok i'm confused. one person said satan pulls us to hell while another person says god sends us to hell. which one is it. and think about it. if we don't want to go to hell it means we ourselves aren't sinners. by wanting to go to hell we are enbracing sin. so by just the one thought of not wanting to go to hell that would mean we would be enbracing jesus/god in some way thus wouldn't we all go to heaven either way?

I think that it was God who created Hell. My brain isn't working right now, so I can't explain. When I do explain it, you're going to be blown away. I promise.

[monster]

ok i'm confused. one person said satan pulls us to hell while another person says god sends us to hell. which one is it. and think about it. if we don't want to go to hell it means we ourselves aren't sinners. by wanting to go to hell we are enbracing sin. so by just the one thought of not wanting to go to hell that would mean we would be enbracing jesus/god in some way thus wouldn't we all go to heaven either way?

No, let me explain.

God sends you to hell, but Satan also pulls you to hell. Ultimately, only God can have the right to judge you. Satan only tempts you to go to Hell.

Also, let me try to explain the latter part. Nobody wants the consequence, but I can still love sin. Just because I am against Hell, doesn't mean I can still in a sense, be embracing Jesus.

[MissFits]

1) They have checked up and are relevant to the original Scriptures.

2) Why does God not care? For he so gave his only begotten son...

You are willing to give your life to something "relevant"? I think everything loses something in translation. As I stated before english is baby talk compared to other languages, especially languages of old. How do you know the bible was meant to be taken literally? Wouldn't that be crazy if it were just a figurative piece of fiction and you devoted your life to it? Immaculate conception? Are you serious? That's just like witchcraft.

God doesn't care because if it is there it is so beyond us, it's not even describable, so why would it care about us? Its not because it hates us or anything, it is just so great it doesn't have to care

[Laughsalot]

I think that it was God who created Hell. My brain isn't working right now, so I can't explain. When I do explain it, you're going to be blown away. I promise.

i wait to be blown away.

podomaht. are you sure? think about it. i'm a sinner on earth. i don't want to go to hell, thus i odn't want to be with satan, wouldn't god accept that as a way of embracing god/jesus? deep deep down inside he would know everything about us. so maybe deep deep deep down inside we do believe in god, hell, satan stuff. and he knows that thus we all go to heaven.

[monster]

i wait to be blown away.

podomaht. are you sure? think about it. i'm a sinner on earth. i don't want to go to hell, thus i odn't want to be with satan, wouldn't god accept that as a way of embracing god/jesus? deep deep down inside he would know everything about us. so maybe deep deep deep down inside we do believe in god, hell, satan stuff. and he knows that thus we all go to heaven.

Okay, let me put it in an example for you. If I have sex with a girl, and I do NOT use a condom, and if I squirt my juice in her, then obviously she will be pregnant.

But by your analogy, you're saying, since I don't WANT her to be pregnant, even though I did squirt in her, you're saying that she will not be pregnant, just by the power of thought.

Nobody wants that.

Besides, you can't just not want to go to Hell. There has to be an acceptance of Jesus Christ of Nazareth as your Savior. You can't just live a life of sin and then expect to go to Heaven.

[StandardEdition]

Suffering is unfortunately, necessary for humans. For example, many humans learn from pain and suffering. ( Ever been burned by fire? )

Through suffering comes eventual progress. We are still using a lot of technology that still is based off WWII designs and inventions. But that really doesn't justify all the suffering, I know.

But this is human nature. If God were to be here to help us all the time when we are hurt, then eventually we would become soft...almost jelly-like. We wouldn't be able to anything without God. God gave us free-will, and the will to do whatever we want. So others will abuse this, and others will become a victim to this. So basically, God doesn't help us because we need to become stronger. We need to be able to fight for ourselves, to some extent.

But does that really justify the killing and almost near extermination of millions of JEWS? GOD'S OWN PEOPLE? Not necessarily, I wouldn't know. But again, like I told sandraaa, if I knew everything, I'd probably abuse it, like all humans.

I don't beleive thats true.
I beleive in God.
And I beleive that God pumnishes us for a reason.
I mean he specifically tells us [not trying to judge anyone by saying this] that we shouldn't have sex b4 we're married.
Now, look around, there are all types of STD's[nobody's learned yet they just try to work their way around it!]. It makes sense. I'm not sure how to explain hurricane Katrina or serious diseases like west nile all I'm saying is that it seems pretty illogical that God would hurt us if it wasn't needed.
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[brooklyneast05]

I'm not sure how to explain hurricane Katrina or serious diseases like west nile all I'm saying is that it seems pretty illogical that God would hurt us if it wasn't needed.

how is that illogical when u just gave two out of many examples of things there don't seem to be great explanations from god for? god doesn't seem logical at all to me. punishing people for thousands of years because someone ate an apple, even though god knew it would happen and created them with flaw, isn't what i call logical.

man i make too many edits, i need to work on this

[Spirited Away]

There's a saying that goes something like this:

When there's a miracle of some kind, they call it an act of God. When there's a disaster, they call an act of nature.

To paraphrase: Give God credit for our happiness, but blame nature for our grief.

[brooklyneast05]

^
YES!
i was just trying to think of that saying

[StandardEdition]

how is that illogical when u just gave two out of many examples of things there don't seem to be great explanations from god for? god doesn't seem logical at all to me. punishing people for thousands of years because someone ate an apple, even though god knew it would happen and created them with flaw, isn't what i call logical.

man i make too many edits, i need to work on this

I haven't rly tied it in yet. I don't know what goes on in New Orleans.
I don't know why God would do something like that. Its just as confusing to me as it is to you.