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[*steve330*]

but most people sux0r at it :( *shrug*

[*MyMichelle*]

The problem is Createblog itself.










Negative one, and I'm off.

[brooklyneast05]

yea ur right
its the actual websites fault
not anyone using it

[xKatt]

Hi Elba *waves
Shit, so this is off-topic, but the title refers to what I want to say:
The mods should f**king loosen up sometimes... especially in the Lounge / chat-ish areas. I have nothing against a single mod at all... but I don't see why Diana should have been punished considering they were basically posts with some sort of topic. Mods should be there to be regular members with powers to close and move threads, not to be our school counselors / principals and control everything we do. And honestly, I think it'd be more fun if the mods didn't have to be so uptight on cB all the time. In CBC where the mods can freely talk and be themselves, it's chaos - sure - but it's still a much more peaceful and less dramatic environment.

OMG. I AGREE SO FUCKING DAMN HARD!!!

I love when people make fun of people their own age.

I pick on people my own size.

[*tripvertigo*]

Hey, my opinion doesn't = topic closed. Have it open if you want.

It might be a good idea, but a lot of things could go wrong with the results.

If it's close to being even, that's kind of what the community is like now. If it's even..well then that lands us no where. Still don't know what to do.

If it's majority on either side..that lands us no where either. Being very lenient, and being very strict..there are problems with both of these.

Anyway, I don't think it's possible. Just like many different things are "killing" this site, there is a huge problem with coordination between the moderators. Partly because some of them are seldom online, and/or choose not to voice their opinion in feedback threads.

Kind of makes the efforts of some pointless, because if we don't work together..nothing will get accomplished. That's why some people have to be too strict, because others are being too lenient. If there was a combined group effort we could meet some where in the middle.

I can preach this all I want but some people still won't listen. Some people are apprehensive about taking action because of this whole "nazi" business that has come up and that has made us even more uncoordinated with each other.

Either way, personally--I'm not going to be swayed by this much. This mixed message the community is sending has been going on since last year..if I changed the way I modded every time someone had a complaint..where would I be?

I just don't think there is any quick-fix solution or "name" to the problem we're having that anyone can come up with.

there needs to be more of a checks+balances "system" for the moderators. the decision to take action against things like member bashing and trolling shouldnt fall directly in one low level moderator's hands. They should have to consult the head staff or admins before taking any action.

Moderators should find a middle ground between being lenient enough to let certain things pass, and being strict enough to know what is most definitely NOT okay.Because in the end if you make certain little things too big of a deal, it WILL just blow up in your face and make the situation worse, but if the problem is on a larger scale, obviously you cant just let it go.

It's unfair to the mods to make them use their better judgement on things like member bashing and trolling and controversial topics. Because their "better judgement" isnt always the best for the community, and they shouldnt have to be put in a situation where they may be chastised or harrassed by members in the end, because they did what they thought was best, and no one else agrees.


However, i think it IS fair to put that responsibility on the Headstaff and admins, because that's what they've signed on for. That's their job. So in situations such as the ones listed above, i think the mods should flag the topic, ask the headstaff or admins, and then do whatever they tell them to do. That way if shit hits the fan, theres no one to blame but upper management. and sorry if that pretty much throws those guys under the bus, but there has to be a smaller and more decisive voice. Mods shouldnt be allowed to mediate in controversial topics so independently.

This will lead to a more consistant enforcement of the rules.

i dunno if anything i just said makes sense to you guys, cuz im at work and i dont have time to double check my typing, but i think you get the idea.

[*ersatz*]

That does sound like a wonderful idea, but there's a whoooooole lot of member bashing and trolling, and to just wait for Heads and Admins to take care of it would probably end up being really inefficient.

[PINKLollyPOP]

i completely and 100% agree that this needs to be addressed. It has become completely out of control... and something needs to be done. There are some main people who are the root of it and I think that it needs to be taken care of. If it were people would see that you are joking around anymore and it would get the point across. However, I'm semi-new to cB adn I might be wrong and not looking at the whole picture. who know?!?

[*steve330*]

@Tripvertigo: Actually that seems pretty logical. As to consulting a Head Staff or Admin before doing anything against member bashing/trolling, does it just have to be one person, or a group decision? If it were to be a group decision, I think that would become too incredibly inefficient.

[*tripvertigo*]

i dont think an entire group summit on every single situation that may come up is necessary, and that will most likely take too long to even have an effect.

however if we're afraid that the responsibility is too large for only the members of the admin and headstaff then, i propose you create another moderator position for every "branch" (design, community) like a Design Staff Manager and Community Staff Manager (I have something like this on CliqueMB). Those guys would be in charge of checking in on all the moderators under them, and they would only be in charge of moderators under their own "branch".

this way all the different moderating "challenges" can be funneled through more concentrated channels.

[*steve330*]

Isn't that the objective of the head staff though, or am I mistaken?

[*ersatz*]

Well, we DID have that with Design Staff, but...not so much anymore.

[*tripvertigo*]

well its been expressed that there are too little headstaff and admins and too many trolling/bashing situations. What I just said above is one possible solution. I dont think there should be more Headstaff members, but I think there needs to be a middle management type of position. Right now it seems like theres only lower management and upper management.

[*SayBloodyMary*]

Hi Elba *waves
Shit, so this is off-topic, but the title refers to what I want to say:
The mods should f**king loosen up sometimes... especially in the Lounge / chat-ish areas. I have nothing against a single mod at all... but I don't see why Diana should have been punished considering they were basically posts with some sort of topic. Mods should be there to be regular members with powers to close and move threads, not to be our school counselors / principals and control everything we do. And honestly, I think it'd be more fun if the mods didn't have to be so uptight on cB all the time. In CBC where the mods can freely talk and be themselves, it's chaos - sure - but it's still a much more peaceful and less dramatic environment.

Sorry to be late on this.

I think that's fine, and true. HOWEVER, I think it needs to be matched with an acceptance from the members that at times, the mods WILL have to take action, and that this doesn't constitute grounds for screaming 'Nazi, Nazi!' all the damn time. It isn't a one-way street.

[*ersatz*]

While, again, consulting is a good idea, I think that's all it should be -- consulting. A moderator should not have to report to a "higher up" in every bashing case; just if they are unsure...like in the more "high profile" cases, where one member has done it an excessive amount and there's a large possibility of backlash, thus putting less anxiety on the moderator. But, in first-offense cases and small ones that really aren't a big deal, I would be comfortable allowing a mod to use their own judgment (although that inherently has its own problems since not all judgment is the same).

[*tripvertigo*]

While, again, consulting is a good idea, I think that's all it should be -- consulting. A moderator should not have to report to a "higher up" in every bashing case; just if they are unsure...like in the more "high profile" cases, where one member has done it an excessive amount and there's a large possibility of backlash, thus putting less anxiety on the moderator. But, in first-offense cases and small ones that really aren't a big deal, I would be comfortable allowing a mod to use their own judgment (although that inherently has its own problems since not all judgment is the same).

well yeah thats what i meant when i said "situations like these." Just ones where it's not obvious what the right or wrong thing to do is.