Homosexuals, are they Ok or just wrong? Options

[bhrama]

God made man and woman. God gave them free will. Being gay is free will. If God didn't want homosexuals on Earth, they wouldn't be here. He's "Almighty".

I agree with you. I being gay, I know that god doesn't see homosexuality as a sin. People's view on this somehow gets all mixed up, and they think that being gay itself is a sin and that's not true. But if acting upon your feelings and being sexually attracted to the same sex IS a sin, as somebody said a while ago, then what's the whole point of somebody being gay? that's like saying that you can be straight, but you can never feel sexually attracted or have sex with a person of the opposite sex. It just doesn't make sense. Oh and even in the bible, the relationship between David and Jonathan was much more closer than a friendship, one of them dies (can't remember which one) and the other kisses the other one, on the lips. I think some people just choose to avoid signs that tell us that being gay isn't a sin because it would be too much to handle because they'be been taught in a whole different way.

[gerundio]

lol! sorri if that didn't make ne sense to u. =D my point is, God intended to create a man and woman to marry. is there ne thing else u dun understand? =)

the thing is, who says that every person has to have a child of their own?

[HelloPunkRockKit...]

I don't think it is wrong to be gay, considering that I am not all that straight...I don't really believe in god, so whatever some people say about the bible doesn't hold up too high with me...

[xHalf nHalf]

I agree with you. I being gay, I know that god doesn't see homosexuality as a sin. People's view on this somehow gets all mixed up, and they think that being gay itself is a sin and that's not true.

somebody lied to you lol..

>Leviticus 18:22-"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination."

>Leviticus 20:13-"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both od them have committed an abomination."

>Romans 1:27-"Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men commintting what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."

But if acting upon your feelings and being sexually attracted to the same sex IS a sin, as somebody said a while ago, then what's the whole point of somebody being gay?  that's like saying that you can be straight, but you can never feel sexually attracted or have sex with a person of the opposite sex. It just doesn't make sense.

yeah you totally lost me there

Oh and even in the bible, the relationship between David and Jonathan was much more closer than a friendship, one of them dies (can't remember which one) and the other kisses the other one, on the lips.

um yeah if youre going to refer to something from the bible please look it up and display it instead of giving us some most likely twisted and or watered down version..

whats my point? i just dont agree with the practice of homosexulaity being a Christian its against my morals and beliefs. please DO NOT get it twisted and think that i hate gay ppl and and stuff like that because that would be ridiculous

[gerundio]

somebody lied to you lol..

>Leviticus 18:22-"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination."

>Leviticus 20:13-"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both od them have committed an abomination."

>Romans 1:27-"Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men commintting what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."

and couldnt someone be lying to you there?

[inlonelinessidie]

I agree with you. I being gay, I know that god doesn't see homosexuality as a sin. People's view on this somehow gets all mixed up, and they think that being gay itself is a sin and that's not true. But if acting upon your feelings and being sexually attracted to the same sex IS a sin, as somebody said a while ago, then what's the whole point of somebody being gay?  that's like saying that you can be straight, but you can never feel sexually attracted or have sex with a person of the opposite sex. It just doesn't make sense. Oh and even in the bible, the relationship between David and Jonathan was much more closer than a friendship, one of them dies (can't remember which one) and the other kisses the other one, on the lips. I think some people just choose to avoid signs that tell us that being gay isn't a sin because it would be too much to handle because they'be been taught in a whole different way.

I support homosexuality 100%; I have a gay brother and love him to death so don't get me wrong, but the following quote states what I believe in:

But as much as God loves us, sin still seperates us from Him. And, the Bible is pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin. Not to say that in a condemning way, because I have sin in my life too...lying, pride, gossip. Homosexuality is just another sin onn the list, and we all struggle with different things. I noticed some people up there ^^ said that God created you that way and stuff like that. But, He didn't. He created us in His image, and we were perfect until Adam and Eve sinned and sin entered the world. And now, we're all born with a sin nature, but God didn't create us to have that sin nature. The Bible says we're slaves to sin; we can't NOT sin until Jesus redeems us. So, while it's true that you may have been born more prone to homosexuality, just like some have more trouble with lust or with stealing or whatever, it's probably because that's where the devil wants to nail ya. He likes to get us in our weak spots, and tempt us. Like when He tempted Jesus--He knew Jesus was hungry and appealed to that hunger. He knows what we can give into easier, and will try to tempt us in that area. Being attracted to another man is only being tempted to be gay. It's not a sin until you act on it. Until you lust after him (in the same way it would be wrong to lust after a guy, if you weren't lesbian) and/or sleep with him etc. (the same way it'd be wrong to sleep with a girl before marriage.). You can't help being attracted to a man; that's the devil trying to trip you up. It's your choice whether or not to act on it.

-BTW: I posted this before it on page 9, I believe.

[xHalf nHalf]

and couldnt someone be lying to you there?

not really, i looked it up myself..if youre trying to get at saying the words of the bible are lies and whatnot i still stand by what it says. there is no hard evidence prooving that the bible has been altered or changed. until then ill continue live by it

[gerundio]

not really, i looked it up myself..if youre trying to get at saying the words of the bible are lies and whatnot i still stand by what it says. there is no hard evidence prooving that the bible has been altered or changed. until then ill continue live by it

im not contestin ur readin skills...

what i was sayin tho is that how exactly is that God's word? (by that i mean those passages)

i am sorry but i just find it hard to believe that the old testament is "inspired" by God.

[xHalf nHalf]

im not contestin ur readin skills...

what i was sayin tho is that how exactly is that God's word? (by that i mean those passages)

i am sorry but i just find it hard to believe that the old testament is "inspired" by God.

thats fine about your opinion about the o.t., so say we stratch those verses from leviticus out..romans is still in the new testament..

[rozee]

the thing is, who says that every person has to have a child of their own?

just bcuz a man and woman marry doezn't necessarily mean they have to have children. it'z stated in the bible that it is only right for a male and female to unite, not male and male or female and female.

[gerundio]

alright think of it this way... if everything God creates is perfect than how can homosexual acts be incorrect? how is wrong for a gay person to act upon the instincts that God gave that person?

[inlonelinessidie]

alright think of it this way... if everything God creates is perfect than how can homosexual acts be incorrect? how is wrong for a gay person to act upon the instincts that God gave that person?

Let me butt in here.

He didn't create homosexuality. Sin created this therefore it is incorrect.

[gerundio]

Let me butt in here.

He didn't create homosexuality. Sin created this therefore it is incorrect.

again how is it sinful to act upon the instincts with which you are born? what you are sayin makes absolutely no sense.

you are not turned gay, u are born gay... its not like gay ppl are corrupted.

[inlonelinessidie]

again how is it sinful to act upon the instincts with which you are born? what you are sayin makes absolutely no sense.

you are not turned gay, u are born gay... its not like gay ppl are corrupted.

Read what I posted above or on page 9. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to.

[gerundio]

But as much as God loves us, sin still seperates us from Him. And, the Bible is pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin. Not to say that in a condemning way, because I have sin in my life too...lying, pride, gossip. Homosexuality is just another sin onn the list, and we all struggle with different things. I noticed some people up there ^^ said that God created you that way and stuff like that. But, He didn't. He created us in His image, and we were perfect until Adam and Eve sinned and sin entered the world. And now, we're all born with a sin nature, but God didn't create us to have that sin nature. The Bible says we're slaves to sin; we can't NOT sin until Jesus redeems us. So, while it's true that you may have been born more prone to homosexuality, just like some have more trouble with lust or with stealing or whatever, it's probably because that's where the devil wants to nail ya. He likes to get us in our weak spots, and tempt us. Like when He tempted Jesus--He knew Jesus was hungry and appealed to that hunger. He knows what we can give into easier, and will try to tempt us in that area. Being attracted to another man is only being tempted to be gay. It's not a sin until you act on it. Until you lust after him (in the same way it would be wrong to lust after a guy, if you weren't lesbian) and/or sleep with him etc. (the same way it'd be wrong to sleep with a girl before marriage.). You can't help being attracted to a man; that's the devil trying to trip you up. It's your choice whether or not to act on it.

lol. if you honestly believe all the crap about adam and eve and the devil then how are you even goin to consider what i am sayin.

if i have to deal with conservative doctrine **** everytime this topic comes up then i have no idea why i am even trying...

[inlonelinessidie]

Conservative. Trust me I'm far away from that. That's what I believe in and I don't really care if you want to go along with it either. Nobody says you have to believe it.

again how is it sinful to act upon the instincts with which you are born?

And if you read further back there is a post on how homosexuals are not born gay.
Here's the link, it's backed up with scientific facts.
Click

you are not turned gay, u are born gay... its not like gay ppl are corrupted.

I don't think it's corrupt either. As I said my brother is gay, I love him to death and support him. I don't agree with the lifestyle he has chosen, but I support him.

[gerundio]

Conservative. Trust me I'm far away from that.

well ur religious beliefs are conservative.

And if you read further back there is a post on how homosexuals are not born gay.
Here's the link, it's backed up with scientific facts.
Click

the link doesn't work... and it has been "proved" both ways

I don't think it's corrupt either. As I said my brother is gay, I love him to death and support him. I don't agree with the lifestyle he has chosen, but I support him.

then i advise you to agree with his lifestyle if only to make it easier for him. i have ppl in my family who have suffered greatly not because ppl havent supported them but b/c of the feeling that they are misunderstood.

now if ur brother is gay, would rather that he have children (by a woman) or would you rather see him "sin" and find a partner (hopefully a husband if law allows 100%) and be happy?

[xHalf nHalf]

you are not turned gay, u are born gay...

the link doesn't work... and it has been "proved" both ways

um no. ppl being born gay HAS NOT been proven. you really need to provide us with some resources man. you cant just simply try to state a fact without some proof. without evidence your words are no good

-edit-

alright think of it this way... if everything God creates is perfect than how can homosexual acts be incorrect? how is wrong for a gay person to act upon the instincts that God gave that person?

im sorry but that is so bogus. God created man perfect and then we were forever cursed being born with sin because of adam and eve from their disobedience(Genesis chapter 3). and if youre implying that God created homosexuality...wow

[inlonelinessidie]

now if ur brother is gay, would [you] rather that he have children (by a woman) or would you rather see him "sin" and find a partner (hopefully a husband if law allows 100%) and be happy?

Now that's just silly what do you think? Obviously I support him and want to see him happy. I don't view him as a homosexual, I see him as my brother. If my brother were straight and were having one nightstands all the time, I wouldn't agree with him; but I'd still love him with all my heart. You make it seem like I hate him and will never love him the same way again just because he is gay. I don't have to agree with his views though. I am Christian while he is Gnostic. Just because he is gay doesn't mean that I have to be a hypocrite and believe in what he believes.


//EDIT: Here's the link. Now where's you're link that backs up you're argument of them being born that way.

[gerundio]

um no. ppl being born gay HAS NOT been proven. you really need to provide us with some resources man. you cant just simply try to state a fact without some proof. without evidence your words are no good

and the stuff u take out of the bible IS correct?

im sorry but that is so bogus. God created man perfect and then we were forever cursed being born with sin because of adam and eve from their disobedience(Genesis chapter 3). and if youre implying that God created homosexuality...wow

because of adam and eve... oh and it was in genesis! it might as well have been on an episode of power rangers

and yes obviously i am implying that if God indeed created everything, then God definitely created homosexuality. wait maybe it might have been the devil with his pitchfork and horns who tries to tempt all the little kids...

i really dont see how u ppl live wit urselves, with the constant belief that ur whole life is a struggle between choosing "good" and "bad"

[gerundio]

let me ask u guys a few questions to see if i REALLY wanna go on arguin this...

do u believe in hell?
do u believe believe God has a gender?
oh and do u believe in the easter bunny?

[inlonelinessidie]

i really dont see how u ppl live wit urselves, with the constant belief that ur whole life is a struggle between choosing "good" and "bad"

Alright well good for you, as you can see no one here is forcing you to.

[capsule]

and the stuff u take out of the bible IS correct?



because of adam and eve... oh and it was in genesis! it might as well have been on an episode of power rangers

and yes obviously i am implying that if God indeed created everything, then he definitely created homosexuality. wait maybe it might have been the devil with his pitchfork and horns who tries to tempt all the little kids...

i really dont see how u ppl live wit urselves, with the constant belief that ur whole life is a struggle between choosing "good" and "bad"

k...im a christian, but i also know that:

trying to convince a homosexual that doesnt believe in God with the Bible won't do much...

but please, this is a debate on homosexuality, not on whether the bible is real...

[xHalf nHalf]

and the stuff u take out of the bible IS correct? 

thats not the point, you can choose to believe the bible or not. MY point was that you were wrong in saying that people are born gay and that it has not been proven. dont try and change the subject

because of adam and eve...  oh and it was in genesis! it might as well have been on an episode of power rangers

ok ill tell you right now that i dont have much tolerence for sarcasm like that. this is a debate, if you want to try to make cute remarks like that go to the humor forum...that wasnt even funny anyway

and yes obviously i am implying that if God indeed created everything, then God definitely created homosexuality. wait maybe it might have been the devil with his pitchfork and horns who tries to tempt all the little kids... 

ok and you were questioning if the bible was true and whatnot, WHERE IN THE WORLD did you get the idea that God created homosexulaity? and you acknowledged that he created everything too. youre definately contradicting yourself here...and again, cut the sarcasm

i really dont see how u ppl live wit urselves, with the constant belief that ur whole life is a struggle between choosing "good" and "bad"

you dont have to understand, we live the way we choose just like you. nobody said you had to agree, just like some of us dont agree with the practice of homosexulaity. and yes i do believe that there is no grey areas. in my opinion, there is only good and bad

[gerundio]

k...im a christian, but i also know that:

trying to convince a homosexual that doesnt believe in God with the Bible won't do much...

btw im not gay, and i must certainly believe in God and i am catholic.