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Homosexuals, are they Ok or just wrong?
ryfitaDF
post Aug 19 2004, 01:50 AM
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i don't see what's so awful about gays getting married. to me it's just as right as women being able to vote or black people being able to sit anywhere on the bus.
 
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post Aug 19 2004, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Aug 19 2004, 1:50 AM)
i don't see what's so awful about gays getting married. to me it's just as right as women being able to vote or black people being able to sit anywhere on the bus.

Of course Blacks weren't able to sit on the bus without qualm until after a long struggle, and women weren't able to vote until leaders rose up to justify their cause.

As with the two examples, homosexual marriages will have obstacles. Why? Non-religious people do not think that homosexual marriages are "awful" per se, but rather because it is changing traditions and lifestyles that it is causing many to grasp and hold on to what they define as 'normal'.

The thing is, people change and people DO adapt; that is how our society has always worked. You can't expect someone to change their definition of normal overnight, but you can expect change in the future.

Know that the civil rights movement did not alter discriminating laws overnight. Know that the feminist movement still haven't achieved their desired definition of equality even today... ermm.gif

But for those who do think that it's awful... well, I cannot speak for them.
 
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post Aug 19 2004, 12:10 PM
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i think its extremely wrong cause" god made adam and eve not adam and steve"
i man transexuals too wat is up wit the world now its so jacked up
 
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post Aug 19 2004, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(x lil azn geek x @ Aug 19 2004, 12:10 PM)
i think its extremely wrong cause" god made adam and eve not adam and steve"
i man transexuals too wat is up wit the world now its so jacked up

Whatever you say, Hitler.
 
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post Aug 19 2004, 12:24 PM
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I'm undecided on this issue.

+ glbt's are people too and deserve human rights such as marriage
= many religious leaders think it's wrong, but what is another's happiness going to do to you?
- their kids will grow up without a mother (or lesbians, without a father)
 
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post Aug 19 2004, 12:25 PM
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lol but i think people how dont like it should just deal with it relaly comne on now its not like the end of the world now just two people getting married that happen to be the same sex...and really if u have to use "god" etc like that to prove your point then u are not a good debator really im tired of god this god that use real reason to prove a point pls
 
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post Aug 19 2004, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(hippo @ Aug 19 2004, 10:24 AM)
- their kids will grow up without a mother (or lesbians, without a father)

laugh.gif LOL. UGH! I hate when people say that the child will not grow up with a mother or father. I'm like "HELLO!" look at all the divorced families in the world, they don't have fathers or mothers in their case. In fact it's worse because they only have one parent, while in the gay couples there would be two parents -


QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Aug 19 2004, 9:57 AM)
The thing is, people change and people DO adapt; that is how our society has always worked. You can't expect someone to change their definition of normal overnight, but you can expect change in the future.

. . . And as 'Fae' said it's going to take time for people to except this. It may look bad now, but eventually they'll be excepted. Not everyone is going to be lovey-dovey towards them, obviously, but it'll be better.
 
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post Aug 19 2004, 06:32 PM
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If people are going to go through the trouble of getting the consent of Christians.. they're going to take care of their god damn children
 
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post Aug 20 2004, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Aug 19 2004, 11:57 AM)
Of course Blacks weren't able to sit on the bus without qualm until after a long struggle, and women weren't able to vote until leaders rose up to justify their cause.

As with the two examples, homosexual marriages will have obstacles. Why? Non-religious people do not think that homosexual marriages are "awful" per se, but rather because it is changing traditions and lifestyles that it is causing many to grasp and hold on to what they define as 'normal'.

The thing is, people change and people DO adapt; that is how our society has always worked. You can't expect someone to change their definition of normal overnight, but you can expect change in the future.

Know that the civil rights movement did not alter discriminating laws overnight. Know that the feminist movement still haven't achieved their desired definition of equality even today... ermm.gif

But for those who do think that it's awful... well, I cannot speak for them.

i know what you're saying, but what i mean is it will be concidered normal in a matter of time just like blacks sitting anywhere on the bus and women voters. i figure no matter how many people oppose it it will eventually be concidered normal so why oppose it at all? the further human society gets before the appocalypse the better, i think.
 
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post Aug 20 2004, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Aug 20 2004, 1:00 AM)
i know what you're saying, but what i mean is it will be concidered normal in a matter of time just like blacks sitting anywhere on the bus and women voters. i figure no matter how many people oppose it it will eventually be concidered normal so why oppose it at all? the further human society gets before the appocalypse the better, i think.

Lets look at it this way:

Why don't you just accept Bush? Why can't I accept Kerry? Why do you believe as you do, and why do I believe as I do?

You're absolutely correct that the further human advance before a certain catastrophe strikes, the better. However, wanting to advance doesn't mean we can forgo caution and uncertainties. If you're uncertain about something, would you delve head first into it, or welcome it with open arms? With me, I tend to just observe how things go and make my decision from there, most of the time.

Mainly, I don't think people oppose homosexuals to be spiteful, but more like they fear or they are cautious of change, and the latter is something I can relate with. You must admit, that going from marriages between man and woman to man and man, woman to woman, is a huge change for someone "sheltered", very conservative, or very religious.

I don't think to oppose it is to be close-minded either (depending on the reasons used in the argument), but more like we're just slow to change... I know this is bad for advancements, but like I said, logically, people tend not to accept things they are uncertain of...

Seriously though, even the most stubborn person cannot stop how time and society works. So eventually, controversies concerning lifestyles tend work themselves out.
 
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post Aug 20 2004, 03:53 AM
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oh yea. good point. it's kinda of a "look before you leap" instinct.

for me homosexuality isn't new or weird or hard to understand at all, but i guess to most it's still kind of a strange new concept, especially gay marrages. that's how i figured "who cares? everything is cool". it just seems at first that people are being blatantly apathetic to anything the bible or current sociaty says is wrong, but that's my misinterpertation. i get it now.
 
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post Aug 20 2004, 10:56 PM
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how could it be wrong???it's not even their choise, it's just what makes them happy.everyone has the right to be happy. i just hate it when people believe,without question, what the church says because they clame that they (the church) know for a fact exactly what God said. think of it this way, if you are a christian and you believe in creationalism (whitch i don't) why would God createpeople who were born bad or sinners or w/e??just to have someone to hate??

plus gay dudes are the BEST to shop with!!! laugh.gif lol
 
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post Aug 20 2004, 11:06 PM
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Omfg. There are so many topics like this and it's getting really annoying. I mean what do you have against homosexuals? What's the difference? Their just people just like straight people. I don't know why everyone has to make a big ass deal about this. America's a free country right? LET THEM BE!!!!!!
 
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post Aug 21 2004, 11:26 AM
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^ Your question was answered MANY times, please look at previous posts before rounding up your thoughts about the topic. Thanks.
 
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post Aug 21 2004, 09:35 PM
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i don't want to sound hypcrotical, but I do often use the word fag and use gay in a negative connotation every now and then, doesn't mean its right. but i do think gays should have the same right as everyone else. yeah its easy to make fun of them in today's day and age but think about, im asian, and i know how tough it is to be a minority in today's day and age and how bad it was in the 50's and 60's, but thats just how it is like being gay now. imagine being called chink or gook as a bad connotation when you do something thats negative or how bout not having the rights as everyone else just cause you are asian, or how bout actually getting beat down cause of being asian. being asian is tough, but i think being gay is tougher.
 
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I don't see nothing wrong about being gay. I mean, they don't choose to become gay. They're people just like us.
 
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post Aug 22 2004, 02:36 AM
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no pda that shows you're gay. that doesnt seem appropriate for a kid to walk in the store and see two men kissing or sumthin like that. itll ruin the kid's life becuz hell get made fun of for being gay by the other kids in the environment.
 
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post Aug 22 2004, 02:45 AM
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i say no pda from either straight or gay ppl......as in no heavy making out in the public.....that's like EW!!! Plz leave it in the bedroom.....
 
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post Aug 22 2004, 07:17 PM
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i SOOO go wiff :: onenonly101 kzu homosexuals aren't bad, it's the act of homosexuality that is... basically, u can WANT it, but just don't DO it... it goes against GOD... sin is the ACT of doing something wrong...
 
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post Aug 23 2004, 01:03 PM
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My brother roomed with a homosexual at summer school. He said they were just like other people, except when they start talking about their boyfriends. Then it's just freaky.
 
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post Aug 23 2004, 03:35 PM
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i'm a christian =) and i know it's against God. in the beginning, when God made adam, he thought it wasn't safe for him to be alone so he made eve. God intended to create different roles for male and female. which is why it is only right for a male and female to unite into one when they marry. i hope that made sense. lol! _smile.gif
 
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post Aug 23 2004, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(rozee @ Aug 23 2004, 3:35 PM)
i'm a christian =) and i know it's against God. in the beginning, when God made adam, he thought it wasn't safe for him to be alone so he made eve. God intended to create different roles for male and female. which is why it is only right for a male and female to unite into one when they marry. i hope that made sense. lol!  _smile.gif

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it doesnt make sense.
 
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[COLOR=red]oh btw, i forgot to add this! lol. i'm not trying to force u guys to believe in my opinions. i'm simply posting to answer the question. and hopefully, my views helped answer sum of ur questions regarding God in this issue. =D
 
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post Aug 23 2004, 03:42 PM
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lol! sorri if that didn't make ne sense to u. =D my point is, God intended to create a man and woman to marry. is there ne thing else u dun understand? =)
 
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post Aug 23 2004, 03:45 PM
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God made man and woman. God gave them free will. Being gay is free will. If God didn't want homosexuals on Earth, they wouldn't be here. He's "Almighty".
 

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