god, part 2 Options

[CrimsonArchangel]

wen some of u guys are burning in the flames of hell, im going to be crying for u and the others who are with u down there, while im in heaven...

celebrate God!

Wooooooooow....

Not to be rude, but who do you think you are to be sending people to hell like that? Everyone has a chance to convert if they want. Just because you believe in God doesn't mean you are above everyone and everyone that doesn't believe in him is going to hell. Everyone has a chance.
That was a very rude thing to say.

[bibliomania]

not u...the neonbeats person said the Catholic Cathecism says that if u are of a differant faith, you wont go to hell...but it makes it very clear that if u are not Christian, you go to hell...what is says is if u are of another DONOMINATION WITHIN the CHRISTIAN religion...you will not go to hell...meaning other Christians go to Heaven, not just Catholics no matter which donomination has correct interpretations of differant things

Oh. I guess as an atheist, I'll burn in hell. Bleh. Bleh. BLEH!

It's been a while since I read the bible, but I thought God was supposed to be merciful?

And oh yeah, saying that everyone will go to hell just because they're not Christian or anything similar is not a good way to convince people to convert.

Why? Because they'll convert in the fear of burning in hell, which will make them not completely faithful to god, if you know what I mean...

So by that, those people will burn in hell anyway, according to your logic, because they don't really believe in God for the right reasons (are there right reasons? I don't know... possibly.); they're afraid, and that's why they're believing in God. Well, I guess the question is: Are there right or wrong reasons to believe in God? I suppose not.

But please stop saying that other people will burn in hell in the future... (because you did say it like twice... I think, if I'm not mistaken.) I beg of you. It's really annoying and rude. Why? Because you are not the one who'll decide everyone's afterlife fate, and you will never be the one who'll decide that. So yeah.

[IIO__oII]

Wooooooooow....

Not to be rude, but who do you think you are to be sending people to hell like that? Everyone has a chance to convert if they want. Just because you believe in God doesn't mean you are above everyone and everyone that doesn't believe in him is going to hell. Everyone has a chance.
That was a very rude thing to say.

i agree. im sorry, but what will saying

wen some of u guys are burning in the flames of hell, im going to be crying for u and the others who are with u down there, while im in heaven...

encourage anyone?!?!?! God says for us to be COMPASSIONATE to other people.

[MrElsewhere]

let me ask u christians sumthing..i mean no offense but im juss sayin..dis is sumthin mai dad asked me recently..we juss happen to be buddhist..he asked:

"When you see a homeless man on the street, do you help him? If you help him, you defy God(i'll use God instead of Buddha in dis case). You defy God because obviously the homeless man has committed a sin and is now being punished. But you want to help him because he is in such poverty...what do you do?"

maybe i have my facts wrong, but if i dont..what do you do?

[IIO__oII]

let me ask u christians sumthing..i mean no offense but im juss sayin..dis is sumthin mai dad asked me recently..we juss happen to be buddhist..he asked:

"When you see a homeless man on the street, do you help him? If you help him, you defy God(i'll use God instead of Buddha in dis case). You defy God because obviously the homeless man has committed a sin and is now being punished. But you want to help him because he is in such poverty...what do you do?"

maybe i have my facts wrong, but if i dont..what do you do?

umm. help him. when is it a sin to help other people? and how do you know that God is punishing that man? =/
maybe that man ended up there from his OWN bad choices...

[sadolakced acid]

my point of view is that all religions are fundamentally the same, it's the details that are different.

i mean, i belive in more than one god. but, in christianity there are also angels, which are kinda like gods if you think about it...

i just don't like christianity because it is very intolerant of other religions.

and because many of it's members are obnoxious and tell me i'm gonna burn in hell and tell me i'm stupid because i belive in my religion.

[IIO__oII]

i mean, i belive in more than one god.  but, in christianity there are also angels, which are kinda like gods if you think about it...

Us christians dont belive that angels are gods... sorry.

i just don't like christianity because it is very intolerant of other religions.

whattt? WE say that all other religions may be sort of right, but are not ALL the way right. we dont say that EVERYOTHER RELIGION IS WRONG! we just say that christianity is the only right religion. some other religions both are good and bad. not alllll the way bad.

and because many of it's members are obnoxious and tell me i'm gonna burn in hell and tell me i'm stupid because i belive in my religion.

well. who says that? maybe some of the members are not far in their faith if they say those kinds of things. and who told you that you were stupid because you belive in another religion? hopefully not anyone in here...

[MrElsewhere]

umm. help him. when is it a sin to help other people? and how do you know that God is punishing that man? =/
maybe that man ended up there from his OWN bad choices...

i thought God was supposed to help people in times of hardship? he didnt help that homeless man..if the man had jesus or God in his heart, shouldnt God help him? And if the man did not have God in his heart then shouldnt God help ne ways? if he made bad choices and he knows what they are shouldnt God forgive him and perhaps do something to help?

[sadolakced acid]

god has never helped anyone, that i can say.

he's like the mean celeb. he loves the limelight, but is quite mean.

Us christians dont belive that angels are gods... sorry. 

oh bother. i don't care what you belive. i care what i belive. and i care about you not trying to make me belive what you belive, and i don't try to get you to belive what i belive.

[IIO__oII]

god has never helped anyone, that i can say. 

he's like the mean celeb.  he loves the limelight, but is quite mean. 



oh bother.  i don't care what you belive.  i care what i belive.  and i care about you not trying to make me belive what you belive, and i don't try to get you to belive what i belive.

yes sir.
im not trying to make you become a christian.

[CrimsonArchangel]

You know.... I respect everyone's opinion, but... (searching for a word to use here...) non-christians (is that ok? ) started this topic to try to get christians to convince them there is a God, but, as we have all seen, everyone has a different opinion. Some see God as very merciful, some don't even know what they believe in yet are trying to force things down people's throats.... some are just plane rude and obnoxious and naive and... the list can continue (*hint, hint* ).
Summing everything up. In my opinion, what this forum is doing is letting some people make fools of themselves, some just show how rude they are, and no one is getting convinced of anything if not to stick to their current beliefs.
Debating is fun and lets you learn and everything, but with all these different views of God, we're getting no where... at least that's my opinion.

god has never helped anyone, that i can say.

Ok, ur asking Christians to prove God helps. Now I ask you. Prove he doesn't. And I want solid proof.

[princess2113]

let me ask u christians sumthing..i mean no offense but im juss sayin..dis is sumthin mai dad asked me recently..we juss happen to be buddhist..he asked:

"When you see a homeless man on the street, do you help him? If you help him, you defy God(i'll use God instead of Buddha in dis case). You defy God because obviously the homeless man has committed a sin and is now being punished. But you want to help him because he is in such poverty...what do you do?"

maybe i have my facts wrong, but if i dont..what do you do?

no, just b/c He he is on the streets doesn't mean he sinned...maybe he can't learn...maybe was abbondoned...nething...God says to help those in need...He said, "what you have done unto the least of my brothers, you have done unto Me"

QUOTE (sadolakced acid @ Jul 31 2004, 4:31 PM)
god has never helped anyone, that i can say.

He has helped me...a LOT of times

i thought God was supposed to help people in times of hardship? he didnt help that homeless man..if the man had jesus or God in his heart, shouldnt God help him? And if the man did not have God in his heart then shouldnt God help ne ways? if he made bad choices and he knows what they are shouldnt God forgive him and perhaps do something to help?

who are you to say that God did not help Him...just b/c God didnt go POOF big house, doesnt mean God doesnt provide support n help for all of them...and if they know Jesus they should know it doesnt matter abt the things on earth...we cant take the big house to Heaven...but we'll be ok up there

Just because you believe in God doesn't mean you are above everyone and everyone that doesn't believe in him is going to hell. Everyone has a
chance.

Being a Christian, you should know that ppl that dont believe in Jesus DO go to hell...sure they have a chance, probably many...on earth...and if they dunt get the chance...God will take care of it...Jesus said "I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIGHT...no one comes the the Father EXCEPT THROUGH ME" ok so u cant get to God unless u know Jesus

[IIO__oII]

Christians and Catholic are way different religions.
Catholics beileve in the virgin mary and pray the rosary
christians don't.

do cathlolics belive in Jesus? =/

[sadolakced acid]

alright.

do you mean to tell me he helped those people on a little day called 9/11? so, 3000 + people die, and god helps... who?

so people die every day. people are saved every day. by who? people. not god. no, it's always somebody doing it. here's your proof.

god has to have people help people. he has never personally helped anyone. There was never any case documented that god has helped someone.

He has helped me...a LOT of times

oh, so you've met him? what's his name? what does he look like? he helped you , eh? did he send an 'angel'? did he give you hope? (which wouldn't really be him helping, as lots of things give hope)

so you're telling me that you were shot, you were about to fall off a cliff, or something. and then god came and stoped the bullet or made you fly and said, i'm god. i just helped you.

[sadolakced acid]

christian. - N. one who belives in christ.

[princess2113]

do cathlolics belive in Jesus? =/

lol ya!!!

Christians and Catholic are way different religions.
Catholics beileve in the virgin mary and pray the rosary
christians don't.

uhh are u Christian? they are the same religion...all Christians believe in the Virgin Mary...it is in the Apostle's Creed (dunno spelling)...uhh n a rosary is just to remind u to pray...im Lutheran n i have one...2 actually i think...ok im gonna write this again...Christian means follower of Christ...it doesnt matter what donomination u r...as long as u believe Jesus in the Son of God n died n rose again for ur sins...which Catholics n other donominations believe...Catholic is just like Lutheran, Baptist, etc...but have differant inturpreations of certain things...thats what makes the differant donomintations...they r Christian thou...Christianity is the religion...the donominations r the branches of Christianity...Catholic was the original Christian church...the other donominations have been broken off the Catholic church
....sry for misspelled stuff...

[sadolakced acid]

alas, you are wrong.

i belive, orthodos chrisianity was first. then catholic split in the west. then a lot more schisms.

the seats of 'true' christianity:

jerusalm, constantanople, now moscow.

eastern orthodox is considered the original christianity, i belive.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think i am.

[ComradeRed]

No, Orthodoxes split from Catholics in the 11th cenutry (the Great Schism). Not the other way around.

Rome was the seat of Christianity from the 4th century onwards.

[sadolakced acid]

i'm sorry... i guess that jesus's christianity was the first christianity, and that sure as hell isn't catholic. i don't think it's orthodox either, but that's just me.

[XxBeExOHxX]

ppl want to believe in god becas they want the beginning of time and exsistance to make sense to them

[Dance0nTheAshes]

I personally don't believe in God, but if having faith in a supernatural being helps you accept events in your life, then go for it.

I do believe, however, that religion has become commercialized over time.

[sadolakced acid]

those d*mn capitalists!! alright, it's got more pout when comrade says it.

religions commercialized... how?

[ComradeRed]

I hate pig-dogs...

[IIO__oII]

ppl want to believe in god becas they want the beginning of time and exsistance to make sense to them

i dont. and i belive that most of my friends dont.

[danyo]

do you mean to tell me he helped those people on a little day called 9/11? so, 3000 + people die, and god helps... who?

so people die every day. people are saved every day. by who? people. not god. no, it's always somebody doing it. here's your proof.

god has to have people help people. he has never personally helped anyone. There was never any case documented that god has helped someone.

God is WAY beyond our thinking, if God does exist, am i not correct? So to us, we might think that 9/11 was pointless and a loss, but to God, it could have been a plan of some sort, a sign to warn us about something or just to get us to wake up and really look at the world. And if there were alot of Christians in there, then to God, it is not a loss at all because alot of God's children will be coming home to Him and at the same time, a sign to warn us. But Christians only die a physical death. Everybody in this world are born twice [physically/spiritually] and it is your choice whether you die once physically or die twice, both physically and spiritually. To me at least, death on earth is a priviledge. A chance to live in peace up there with our father, and HIS son who died such a painful death for me and you. This doesn't mean you should go suicide and die. Why? because it says in the bible.
Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder.
So suicide is the same thing, you are murdering yourself. Our lives on earth is to endure, to learn things that we must learn, and to spread the word around to everyone possible before we can go LIVE in peace, not die and rest, because in Christ, we are ALL one family.. you and me.
I have a question to all of my brothers and sisters that are non-believers at the moment. Why do you think Christians are trying so hard to convince you that there is God [not a God because there is only one God] and HIS son came down to be a living sacrifice for our sin and died a death going through pain we can't even imagine?
There is two things a person need to have in mind before they try to get them to believe, to understand:
1. Trying to spread the word.
2. OUT OF LOVE
ignore the ones who have offended or will offend you in the future because they are missing number 2, the love.


And other thing about God not helping us, um first of all.. there was Jesus and He specifically said no one comes to the father but through me. So we will not meet God until we "go through" Jesus and even so, that's AFTER we die a physical death. And it will be hard for you guys to understand that Christians [ meaning someone "With Christ" ] does good to glorify His name. They do good thinking of Him. Jesus is in them and so basically He is doing the good. He is making us do good, changing our whole perspective. I don't expect you guys to understand but I guess it's something someone can only understand if they experience it.
I hope this helped you guys to understand a bit about what a relationship with HIM is all about. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask and if i ever offended you through out this, forgive me, it was not my intention. By the way my good friend is buddhist. just letting you know so you guys don't think i look down on other beliefs and think i'm better than anyone.