god, part 2 Options

[princess2113]

well, the dumb scientists (no offence) made the evolution theory. But there r other signs.

Plus God never ment for us to PROVE his existance. Like I've said b4, We r supposed to use our own faith, not logic and science.

YES! u r so right!

[Spirited Away]

well, the dumb scientists (no offence) made the evolution theory. But there r other signs.

Dumb scientists save people's lives by creating medicine and technology. Boy, are they dumb or what? I wonder what scientists think about ignorant people.

Sorry, offense taken.

Plus God never ment for us to PROVE his existance. Like I've said b4, We r supposed to use our own faith, not logic and science.

Logic, science, and technology are what help humankind survive this world of disease, famine, and suffering. Having "faith" doesn't save a person from being killed by a lethal disease. Sure there are miracles, but tell me how many times miracles save someone with cancer or Aids or Mad Cow. Remember the Holocaust? The Jews had faith but many still died. Oh yes, I forget that Jews believe in Yaweh and not God. Boy, those heathens.

I'm prone to sarcasm when people make stupid comments.

[princess2113]

Dumb scientists save people's lives by creating medicine and technology. Boy, are they dumb or what? I wonder what scientists think about ignorant people.

Sorry, offense taken.



Logic, science, and technology are what help humankind survive this world of disease, famine, and suffering. Having "faith" doesn't save a person from being killed by a lethal disease.  Sure there are miracles, but tell me how many times miracles save someone with cancer or Aids or Mad Cow. Remember the Holocaust? The Jews had faith but many still died. Oh yes, I forget that Jews believe in Yaweh and not God. Boy, those heathens.

I'm prone to sarcasm when people make stupid comments.

God made the scientist...Jews believe in the same God as us...and ur alwayz sarcastic?

[onenonly101]

Yes pp_love_,e we are to have faith but we are also to know logic and science because God created it all for us to understand.

Having "faith" doesn't save a person from being killed by a lethal disease.

Sorry this might be a little long and off topic.

In January, one of my sisters closest friends Chi-Chi was diagnosed with a blood diease called TTP. TTP deals with your plasma and not havign good plasma and her body rejecting and infecting the new plasma she was recieving. We have known there entire family for years and years and I always knew Chi-Chi and we would talk alot at chruch on Wednesday and when we used to walk to church from our schools. She was a type of person who was so funny and so sarcastic but at the same time incredibly kind and compassionate. But anyways. I remember everything clearly. One wednesday in January we were at church and she hadn't been in a while on wednesday because she was in school at Spelman university, but she made it this week and she was going to start helping out with preschool cuz she loved kids. She was showing us some bruises on her legs and stomach and arms and she didn't know how they got on theit and we told her go to the doctor and she told us she was going on the next day. Well they didn't know what was wrong with her but the pain kept going and on Sunday she went back to the hospital then on Tuesday night she was rushed in because it was so painful she couldn't move then on Saturday they told us she was on a respirator because their was blood in her lungs and she was trying so hard to breathe. That sunday me and two of my sisters went to visit her. it was so hard not to cry because i have never seen anyone in so much pain and we stayed until late. We came back on Monday. Then the next week on Sunday we came back there was the ENTIRE college department at the hospital waiting to see her. It was so overwelming the support she had, cuz she was just herself, so sarcastic,loving, and funny, and always listening to others problems. We were going to see her again on Saturday but she died on Friday night @ 10. My mom told me the next morning. My other sisters had found out in the nighttime because the college depo pator called our house and told my mom and she screamed my sister ubani(her close friend) and my other sister ran out screaming for someone to say what happened cuz my dad was downstairs just starting at the screen not saying anythin. Then my mom told them and ubani started screaming and so did ori(other sis) i don't know how i didn't wake up. then they called my other sister nenna and leslie(friend who passed away's sister)'s 2 friends and they came to out house then ori called boyin(one of leslie's friends) and peju(friend who passed away one of her firends. at church it was always ubani,peju,shayla, and chichi-one who died) first she told boyin then peju and you could her peju screaming.gosh...... i didn't mean to write all that but it just came. That was just the night she died I hadn't even found out yet then we had to tell her friends that ngiht calling them then everyone at church and so on...it was a difficult week.

Throughout the whole thing everyone was like keep faith. And we all really thought that God was going to heal her and she was going t ohave a great testimony of surviving. Then when she died i started thinking was my faith not enough? we had entrie chures praying for her. People all over the world faithful Christians praying for her. Then i think we all realized that God did heal her. He did the ultimate healing and her testimony of faith throught the entire ordeal was just as good as her being healed in the worldly way. And also it was so selfish of us to be like no she has to stay with us eventhough she was i nso much pain. Her life is a great testimony, i mean it brought people to christ to know that at 19 she knew what God had in store for her and that she did exactly that. Faith is all we have and even when we think that God hasn't answered our prayers he has, in a better way because he knows what is to come.

[sadolakced acid]

of course. how could i forget? it had to be god who created everything, because of a book called the bible. which just happens to be written by people hearing god. how could i have belived that everything in the world came from a big bang? i mean, it's faith. people get this feeling which they call faith, and rely upon it. how could i have missed it? of course some guy was just there and just happened to create the entire universe. it's so obvious now. This guy just happens to be all powerful yet he need mortals to help him. and there just happens to be someone that defys him, but he, being allpowerful, does nothing about it. this wonderful guy, capable of anything created the world. in doing so he also created disease. and what wonderfuldisease it is. and good poeple, once struck by disease, he, the good, kind, all powerful decides to save them. because he can. wow. i think i'll go to a church right now and convert. how was i sooo mistaken? how could i have questioned it so? i mean, there is no possible way it could be wrong.

[princess2113]

of course. how could i forget? it had to be god who created everything, because of a book called the bible. which just happens to be written by people hearing god. how could i have belived that everything in the world came from a big bang? i mean, it's faith. people get this feeling which they call faith, and rely upon it. how could i have missed it? of course some guy was just there and just happened to create the entire universe. it's so obvious now. This guy just happens to be all powerful yet he need mortals to help him. and there just happens to be someone that defys him, but he, being allpowerful, does nothing about it. this wonderful guy, capable of anything created the world. in doing so he also created disease. and what wonderfuldisease it is. and good poeple, once struck by disease, he, the good, kind, all powerful decides to save them. because he can. wow. i think i'll go to a church right now and convert. how was i sooo mistaken? how could i have questioned it so? i mean, there is no possible way it could be wrong.

jerk

[sadolakced acid]

why thank you.

[*CEP*]

jerk

^ PWNED

And you can't forget the word " edited "
Cuz yeah, that's what the bible is.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[princess2113]

^ PWNED

And you can't forget the word " edited "
Cuz yeah, that's what the bible is.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

what does PWNED mean
and what r u talking about

i called him a jerk b/c he seriously offended me n if i said that abt what u believe i wuld be getting a bunch of crap abt getting warned

[onenonly101]

Princess don't worry about it. Becuase it doesn't matter. In life people are going to offend you and hrut you for believing what you believe. The best thing to do is brush it off and know what you are saying.

I am not on here to convert anyone I am on here to say what i know about ME ebing a Christian, about my personal relationship and beliefs. I answers questions directed to me and some general questions, to make sure no one gets the wrong idea about some things.

[Spirited Away]

God made the scientist..

In your POINT of VIEW... Remember that? Huh? What happened to respecting other people's faiths?

Jews believe in the same God as us...

Right, and that same God forsaken over 5 millions Jews. <-That was my point.

and ur alwayz sarcastic?

No, I said that I'm "prone to sarcasm when people make stupid comments".

In life people are going to offend you and hrut you for believing what you believe. The best thing to do is brush it off and know what you are saying.

Very true. That has been what non-believers have done for centuries. That, and dying as martyrs for their faith. No matter who you are, what you believe in, your race, how you talk, how you walk, there will always be someone who'll dislike you for that reason.

Don't take opinions to heart, Princess, but take them into consideration because of why they were made. Sticks and stones, remember?

[onenonly101]

Right, and that same God forsaken over 5 millions Jews. <-That was my point.

God didn't forsaken them. Hitler and his people did. That is where God's free will and free choice to us comes in. And also when God takes his hand of protection away

The Jews are God's chosen people. All throughout the New Testament God showed favor to the Jews and saved and redeemed them form many things. But there is a point where God's patience runs out. God kept sending delivers. And after he sent them, the people forgot about him. Sorry for those who don't want me to post verses but for others Dueteronomy 8:11-20 But that is the time to be careful! Beware that in your plenty you do not forget the LORD your God and disobey his commands, regulations, and laws. 12For when you have become full and prosperous and have built fine homes to live in, 13and when your flocks and herds have become very large and your silver and gold have multiplied along with everything else, 14that is the time to be careful. Do not become proud at that time and forget the LORD your God, who rescued you from slavery in the land of Egypt. 15Do not forget that he led you through the great and terrifying wilderness with poisonous snakes and scorpions, where it was so hot and dry. He gave you water from the rock! 16He fed you with manna in the wilderness, a food unknown to your ancestors. He did this to humble you and test you for your own good. 17He did it so you would never think that it was your own strength and energy that made you wealthy. 18Always remember that it is the LORD your God who gives you power to become rich, and he does it to fulfill the covenant he made with your ancestors. 19"But I assure you of this: If you ever forget the LORD your God and follow other gods, worshiping and bowing down to them, you will certainly be destroyed. 20Just as the LORD has destroyed other nations in your path, you also will be destroyed for not obeying the LORD your God.

Ezekiel 33:11As surely as I live, says the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of wicked people. I only want them to turn from their wicked ways so they can live. Turn! Turn from your wickedness, O people of Israel! Why should you die?

Bad things happen when you turn from God.

[Spirited Away]

God didn't forsaken them. Hitler and his people did. That is where God's free will and free choice to us comes in. And also when God takes his hand of protection away

Hitler didn't "forsaken" Jews, he mass murdered them, albeit indirectly... hm, or directly, however you look at it.

When my family was in California, some surviving Jews of the Holocaust came to my brother's High School to "talk" about their sufferings. My brother related that there was one Jew who's faith is hanging by a thin thread because of what he had experienced decades ago. He told me that many prayed day and night, for hours, then they prayed every minute and many who died, prayed until their end. Well, God didn't help much in their suffering. I suppose someone will say that they will never suffer again after dying because they'll be with God, but I'd say that's an opinion, depending if one believes in God or not.

[princess2113]

Hitler didn't "forsaken" Jews, he mass murdered them, albeit indirectly... hm, or directly, however you look at it.

When my family was in California, some surviving Jews of the Holocaust came to my brother's High School to "talk" about their sufferings. My brother related that there was one Jew who's faith is hanging by a thin thread because of what he had experienced decades ago. He told me that many prayed day and night, for hours, then they prayed every minute and many who died, prayed until their end. Well, God didn't help much in their suffering. I suppose someone will say that they will never suffer again after dying because they'll be with God, but I'd say that's an opinion, depending if one believes in God or not.

how come u dunt let Hitler be responsible for what he actually did, u throw it on God who didnt do that

[*CrackedRearView*]

He told me that many prayed day and night, for hours, then they prayed every minute and many who died, prayed until their end. Well, God didn't help much in their suffering.

What do they expect? *Zap* *Boom* The fence is open, run free?

[Spirited Away]

how come u dunt let Hitler be responsible for what he actually did, u throw it on God who didnt do that

He (Hitler) is responsible for their deaths, God is responsible for their earthly suffering and allowing someone like Hitler to do evil.

What do they expect? *Zap* *Boom* The fence is open, run free?

Pshh, I wasn't the one talking about MIRACLES and phenomenons, so you tell me what to expect. God is almighty isn't He?

[sadolakced acid]

hitler was christian.

sorry if my severe sarcasm hurt you. but that's all i'm hearing when i ask proof god exists. the bible, faith, other stuff. they're not evidence if you don't belive.

where is the proof? is there any besides your faith? and please don't say faith is enough, because it isn't for me. because my faith does not lie in one god who is almighty and good.

[angel-roh]

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hehe all i want to say is that... without God, Justin would've been dead by now. then me and justin wouldnt be girlfriend and boyfriend right now too... when i was in 9th grade. at the summer of 2003. he was having a heart cancer... his grandpa died cause of heart cancer and his dad died cause of heart cancer... well wat happened was... he almost got killed. the doctors told us "the next 3 days, if he doesnt wake up...then he will pass away" we all cried... so his relatives, family, friends, and mostly the ppls in xanga members helped us pray. that time me and justin..we were just best friends. and he was my bestest friend of all... he saved my life. i was about to do a commit suicide and he saved my life. and i thought i was gona die if he dies... so i went to church in the morning..around 5 am in the morning... and when i didnt felt like going to the church, i stayed home and prayed... and prayed and prayed... i was crying a lot because i didnt want justin to die... i didnt eat for 2 days... cause i was scared and i was crying a lot. then i fainted... because i didnt eat for the last 2 days...then i had a dream... i mean it wouldn't be real...would it? an angel came to me and said "God has listened to your prayers, my child. You can now stop crying and go to your friend." i freaked out... i dont remember the face and all..just a lot of lights...with a reallie pale face... and 6 wings... staring right at me... like its body was like a pale sculpture... and then the angel told me "don't be afraid, as God listened to your prayers." Then the angel disappeared... and I woke up. then the last day... came... the phone rang. it was justin's mother who cried so much... i thought justin died... but she told me that justin opened his eyes and now start to breathe again. i was so happy... but couldnt go to the hospital that day cause i had no ride... heh... and the next day, i went to him... i see him smiling again..heh and i said to myself "Thank you, God for helping him and for helping me. and hearing my prayers Lord" ... hehe thats when I started to pray a lot for ppls out there...hehe and thats how i started to love praying for others out there^^... hehe so yeah i truly believe in the Lord for what he have done. Not just that, but we're still alive because of him.

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[sadolakced acid]

very touching.

and i'm glad you have had this proof, so your faith is affirmed.

but i have not had proof, i have not seen it myself. so what proof do you have for ME that god exists?

[IIO__oII]

very touching. 

and i'm glad you have had this proof, so your faith is affirmed. 

but i have not had proof, i have not seen it myself.  so what proof do you have for ME that god exists?

wow.. i havent been in here for a long time.
hey u guys! how is the debate going?..nowhere? ok good.

so, anyways, to answer sadolakced acid...
look around you... u see the creation? its beautiful, right? it goes in harmony with each other.. right? how can a random big "bang" do that? there would have to be a perfect Creator to create this harmonious environment..... right?
-just a theory, i guess?

and angel_roh-wowwwww. thats a great miracle!! =D i need to start praying more often.. ive been slacking

[Spirited Away]

look around you... u see the creation? its beautiful, right? it goes in harmony with each other.. right?

how can a random big "bang" do that? there would have to be a perfect Creator to create this harmonious environment..... right?
-just a theory, i guess?

A parody from an agnostic point of view:

Look around you, you see andfeel science and Mother Nature. They go in perfect harmony with each other. How can a fictional character from the book titled, Bible, who's named "God", do that?





But anyway, before you get offended, whatnot, remember that believe in a Creator, too, just not very much like yours.

[redsoxbaby87]

i believe in G-d and that is good enough for me. i know why i believe and i dont believe that it is any of your buisness to know why.

Right, and that same God forsaken over 5 millions Jews. <-That was my point.

it was over 6 million but we have never lost faith or turned away. there are reasons for everything though we may not know them.

[Spirited Away]

i believe in G-d and that is good enough for me. i know why i believe and i dont believe that it is any of your buisness to know why.

Many agnostics and atheists feel that way, but we get bombarded by people who do believe in God, and they try to convert us many times and criticize/persecute us for our beliefs. It's only fair that you all leave us to our disbelief and you can continue with yours.

it was over 6 million but we have never lost faith or turned away. there are reasons for everything though we may not know them.

The "we" you used is inconsequential, because you do not speak for ALL Jews. My brother heard proof first hand that at least one Jew, a survivor of the Holocaust, that his faith was waivered and is still waivering.

It was NOT "over 6 million" Jews, but around 5.5 million+, but not "over" 6 million, and that's why I said "over 5 million Jews.

Edit::

In summary, among the Jews living under the Nazi occupation, the events of the Holocaust raised questions concerning faith that resulted in a variety of responses. The Holocaust caused some Jews to abandon their faith, while for others the increased persecution only strengthened their faith in God.

Source.

[IIO__oII]

Many agnostics and atheists feel that way, but we get bombarded by people who do believe in God, and they try to convert us many times and criticize/persecute us for our beliefs. It's only fair that you all leave us to our disbelief and you can continue with yours.




The "we" you used is inconsequential, because you do not speak for ALL Jews. My brother heard proof first hand that at least one Jew, a survivor of the Holocaust, that his faith was waivered and is still waivering.

It was NOT "over 6 million" Jews, but around 5.5 million, but not 6 million, and that's why I said "over 5 million Jews.

Edit::



Source.

..it was over 6 million. go read ure history book. i have mine right in front of me!
haha

[Spirited Away]

..it was over 6 million. go read ure history book. i have mine right in front of me!
haha 

hm... why don't you go and suggest that to the person who created the site?


ALSO:: SOURCE

Extent of the Holocaust
The exact number of people killed by the Nazi regime is still subject to further research. Recently declassified British and Soviet documents have indicated the total may be somewhat higher than previously believed. However, the following estimates are considered to be highly reliable.

5.6–6.1 million Jews
3.5–6 million Slavic civilians
2.5–4 million POWs
1–1.5 million political dissidents
200 000–800 000 Roma & Sinti
200 000–300 000 handicapped
10 000–250 000 homosexuals
2 000 Jehovah's Witnesses

And... if you two GENIUSES haven't noticed...

OVER 5 millions denote a number larger than 5.

Get it?

Okay, I'll simplify it...

6 is 1 number larger 5, therefore you can assume the possibility that "over 5" actually means any number over 5, which would include 6.

If you need further lessons on how numbers work, just go back to elementary school. I'm sure teachers will be very patient with you. Don't forget to take your text book with you, I'm almost positive they don't mind teaching you to read and write, too.