god, part 2 Options

[sadolakced acid]

so what is god? if he can exist in a place without a universe. then where is the universe?

[EmeraldKnight]

The Water Cycle

Who created the water cycle? Why, Mother Nature (science) did.

    Okay, some science genius is going to have to help me out here... because I'm not sure what I'm talking about.

Haha, you could just Google it like I did :

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The Origin of Water


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The Big Bang

10 to 20 billion years ago, the Universe was in an extremely dense and hot (~10 billion °C !) state that exploded in what astronomers call The Big Bang. Eventually, the Universe expanded and cooled and huge collections of gas formed into billions of separate galaxies, and billions of stars formed within each. Many fundamental particles were formed in the beginning of this process, including the basic building blocks of all atoms: protons, neutrons, and electrons. The two lightest elements, hydrogen and helium, were also formed. Hydrogen consists of one proton with one electron circling it. Helium consists of two protons and two electrons. (Different isotopes of these elements were also formed, consisting of different numbers of neutrons within them.)

Current models of the Big Bang predict that hydrogen should have been produced three times more abundantly than helium. Indeed, this proportion has been deduced by astronomers in observations of hydrogen and helium in the Universe. Some heavier elements were created in the Big Bang, but only in very trace amounts, e.g., one lithium atom (with 3 protons, 3 electrons) out of every 10 billion atoms. So how are the heavier elements, such as oxygen, formed? They are synthesized during the evolution of stars.

Stellar Evolution

Stars like our Sun produce huge amounts of energy from nuclear fusion in their hot cores. Stars contain mostly hydrogen. The pressure and temperature is so great in the core that hydrogen is fused together to form helium. Since the mass of helium is less than that of the hydrogen necessary to create it, energy is released according to Einstein's formula: E = mc2, where E is the energy, m is the difference in mass, and c is the speed of light. 90 per cent of a star's lifetime is spent fusing hydrogen into helium. Once the hydrogen is used up, helium begins fusing and one of the by products of that process is oxygen. Depending on the mass of the star, all the heavy elements up to iron can be created in succeeding fusion reactions or nucleosynthesis.

At this point, you might be wondering how the oxygen that formed in the core of stars ever got incorporated into our planet! Well, one rather dramatic way occurs at the end of a very massive star's life. Once iron is formed in the core of these stars, there are no further nuclear reactions that are stable enough to fuse the iron. Without, the output of energy to balance the star's inward gravity, the star collapses upon itself, leading to its destruction in a supernova explosion. (By the way, a supernova is as bright as an entire galaxy!)

A supernova remnant formed from the exploded star expands outward and eventually all the elements within it are spread throughout the galaxy and mix into the region between the stars (the interstellar medium). Over time, denser regions of the interstellar medium form into giant interstellar clouds of gas and dust. These clouds are stellar nurseries in which numerous stars will be born. Around each star, residual gas and dust slowly congregates and forms into planets. Thus, the planets and ourselves, are in fact, all made out of star-stuff!

Now, given the creation of hydrogen in the Big Bang and oxygen in nucleosynthesis in stars, and the fact that these elements are highly reactive chemically, water should therefore be fairly common in the Universe. However, only at certain temperatures and pressure, like those we find on Earth, would we expect to find liquid water.

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[princess2113]

This topic's still going around?

lol u thought it was gonna stop?

Who created the water cycle? Why, Mother Nature did.

yes, but the way u ppl told me we n nature were formed was through this whole cycle n monkeys came from bacteria...however before u told me bacteria it was never included that water was formed...and it is impossible b/c a meterorite cant just puff out sume water....parts of ur theory maybe be true...but theres still gotta be Someone making it all happen...i believe a lot of evolution, i just believe God was the one who made it happen n perhaps created it that way

so what is god? if he can exist in a place without a universe. then where is the universe?

y dont u answer ur questions for us based on ur theology of ur own religion?
according to mine...God is God...He is everything God...He's a Spirit...He's 3 in 1...He now reigns from Heaven, and we are on Earth...He can exist b/c He IS God

[Spirited Away]

yes, but the way u ppl told me we n nature were formed was through this whole cycle n monkeys came from bacteria...however before u told me bacteria it was never included that water was formed...and it is impossible b/c a meterorite cant just puff out sume water....parts of ur theory maybe be true...but theres still gotta be Someone making it all happen...i believe a lot of evolution, i just believe God was the one who made it happen n perhaps created it that way

I don't remember saying anything about bacteria, because I wouldn't know what exactly bacteria has to do with water...

<--- Science illiterate remember?

There needn't be Someone making it happen, but there could be Some force. But then again, since I do believe in a Higher Being, I don't have much to say on this part of the argument.

[EmeraldKnight]

yes, but the way u ppl told me we n nature were formed was through this whole cycle n monkeys came from bacteria...however before u told me bacteria it was never included that water was formed...and it is impossible b/c a meterorite cant just puff out sume water....

Did you read the evidence I posted?

lol u thought it was gonna stop?

Wistful thinking has always been my weakness

There needn't be Someone making it happen, but there could be Some force. But then again, since I do believe in a Higher Being, I don't have much to say on this part of the argument

Some force = Big Bang (read up on your physics..)

[princess2113]

There needn't be Someone making it happen, but there could be Some force. But then again, since I do believe in a Higher Being, I don't have much to say on this part of the argument.

yeah there IS a Higher Being...its God...who else could create EVERYTHING?

<--- Science illiterate remember?

...wait.... u believe something u know nothing about?

Did you read the evidence I posted?

yes and it doesnt match exactly what ya'll were saying in the other topic...either way u still need Someone making it happen...who created the gravity? who created the thing that made the gravity? and who created that? i mean who created the nothingness that made the Big Bang start?

[Spirited Away]

yeah there IS a Higher Being...its God...who else could create EVERYTHING?

Sure, you call It God, and I call it the Creator, Jews call it Yaweh, Muslims call it Allah.

...wait.... u believe something u know nothing about?

I never said that I believe in science did I? I said that I believe in a Creator, who left us to our own devices. The world of Mother Nature is science, though. I don't understand it and may be ignorant, but that doesn't mean that I don't know anything about it. If you want to try me, ask some questions. I mean, I'm not a science nerd who could tell you the size of planets off of the top of their heads or even what DNA and RNA stands for (which I consider science litterate), but I could teach you a thing or two about astronomy, biology, and chemistry. Thank goodness for required core classes.

yes and it doesnt match exactly what ya'll were saying in the other topic...either way u still need Someone making it happen...who created the gravity? who created the thing that made the gravity? and who created that? i mean who created the nothingness that made the Big Bang start?

To your first two "who" questions: Mother Nature. To the last one, not every non-believer believes in the Big Bang theory.

[sadolakced acid]

water came before.

water: oxygen+ hydrogen+lightning.

ammonia+some other gunk = nuecelic acids / amino acids

nucleic acids= RNA= self replicating particle

RNA+ amino acids= protiens

protiens+protiens= blob of self replicating material+ other elements

= cell.


it's not that hard, and it just takes one lightning strike in the right time, then you've got life, which replicates and makes more.

it's like a virus. and a regular program.
because the virus replicates itself it will gradually dominate(if no antivirus)

a regular program will not. that is because the virus replicates.

so RNA, a self replicating molecule that causes Protiens to form, once it apperas will dominate the world, gradually.

[princess2113]

[QUOTE]Sure, you call It God, and I call it the Creator, Jews call it Yaweh, Muslims call it Allah.[/QUOTE]
i call Him God, Creator, Rock, Father, etc.....


[/QUOTE]I never said that I believe in science did I? I said that I believe in a Creator, who left us to our own devices. The world of Mother Nature is science, though. I don't understand it and may be ignorant, but that doesn't mean that I don't know anything about it. If you want to try me, ask some questions. I mean, I'm not a science nerd who could tell you the size of planets off of the top of their heads or even what DNA and RNA stands for (which I consider science litterate), but I could teach you a thing or two about astronomy, biology, and chemistry. Thank goodness for required core classes.[QUOTE]


no but if u believe in evolution, thats science...i dunt think u guys get my point yet ur theory and my reality can go together...yeah n good to know u know abt biology when im failing next yr u can tutor me

[sadolakced acid]

my theory and your belief cannot exist together (certain parts)

because my theory says that things were not created by god

and your belief says that things were created by god.

[princess2113]

my theory and your belief cannot exist together (certain parts)

because my theory says that things were not created by god

and your belief says that things were created by god.

i mean answer the questions u asked based on ur religion, i wanna know


who created Buddha?

[Spirited Away]

my theory  and your belief cannot exist together (certain parts)

because my theory says that things were not created by god

and your belief says that things were created by god.

Who? Moi? or Princess?

I think it's the both of us then?

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no but if u believe in evolution, thats science...i dunt think u guys get my point yet ur theory and my reality can go together...yeah n good to know u know abt biology when im failing next yr u can tutor me

Sure I believe in evolution. But I can't tutor you.. I'm too "old" and feeble remember?

[princess2113]

Sure I believe in evolution. But I can't tutor you.. I'm too "old" and feeble remember?

ahhh here we go my endless punishment for calling mz. oldie old ::sigh:: then i will have to fail instead....

if u belive in evolution dunt u have to believe in science...dont we all believe in science to a certain extent?

[Spirited Away]

if u belive in evolution dunt u have to believe in science...dont we all believe in science to a certain extent?

But I didn't say whether or not I believe in science. I only said that "I never said" whether or not I believe in it. SO if you ask me now if I believe in it, my answer would be a definate yes. I don't understand science well doesn't mean that I don't believe in it.

[princess2113]

But I didn't say whether or not I believe in science. I only said that "I never said" whether or not I believe in it. SO if you ask me now if I believe in it, my answer would be a definate yes. I don't understand science well doesn't mean that I don't believe in it.

i dunt alwayz understand God but i still believe in Him

[sadolakced acid]

my religion does not insist it is correct. buddhism is less a religion an more a philosophy.

it doesn't claim that the world was created by buddha. it doens't make you turn other people to it. it tells you to respect your ancestors, and how to value life, and how to live well.

it is a philosophy more than a religion.

lest we forget, it is your religion ,princess, that insists all other beliefs are wrong. not mine, which is tolerant.

[Spirited Away]

i dunt alwayz understand God but i still believe in Him

So I'm not very different from you. And I'm sure people of other religions are the same way.

buddhism is less a religion an more a philosophy.

True.

it doesn't claim that the world was created by buddha. it doens't make you turn other people to it. it tells you to respect your ancestors, and how to value life, and how to live well.

Still very true.

lest we forget, it is your religion ,princess, that insists all other beliefs are wrong. not mine, which is tolerant.

Another truth.

Most smaller religions are tolerable of other religions. I don't understand why the major religions are adament that they're the right ones.

[princess2113]

[QUOTE=sadolakced acid,Jul 7 2004, 11:00 AM] my religion does not insist it is correct. buddhism is less a religion an more a philosophy.

it doesn't claim that the world was created by buddha. it doens't make you turn other people to it. it tells you to respect your ancestors, and how to value life, and how to live well.

it is a philosophy more than a religion.

lest we forget, it is your religion ,princess, that insists all other beliefs are wrong. not mine, which is tolerant. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]my religion does not insist it is correct. buddhism is less a religion an more a philosophy.[/QUOTE]
we insist it b/c we know it just b/c we have more faith and more love for God than u do doesnt mean u need to be so rude

[QUOTE]it doesn't claim that the world was created by buddha. it doens't make you turn other people to it. it tells you to respect your ancestors, and how to value life, and how to live well.[/QUOTE]
then who DID create it according to u? im going to stress this point again...WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO TURN PPL TO CHRISTIANITY!!!!!!!!! we are supposed to respect our ancestors as well and valule life and we know how to live well if we know God...most morals are the same in most religions...

[QUOTE]it is a philosophy more than a religion.[/QUOTE]
ok how can it be "more of" its either a religion or not...
lest we forget, it is your religion ,princess, that insists all other beliefs are wrong. not mine, which is tolerant.[/QUOTE]

im not gonna forget mine it promises me everlasting life and love and happiness...remind me y i wanna give that up? and we dunt insist all other religions are wrong, we insist that the parts that contradict us are wrong...lemme remind u that ur saying im wrong so u r insisting i am wrong b/c i dunt believe the same things as u...so what u say Christians do, you are doing urself...not me and im the Christian

[tofumonzter]

so what is god? if he can exist in a place without a universe. then where is the universe?

If you know His secret, He won't be God. Because everybody knows what he's doing.
If God has no secret, Satan wouldn't have kill Jesus and put Him on the Cross. Because Satan didn't know that Jesus' blood would save us from our sin.

If you know where Haven is. Everybody would have went there without believing in him.

[vynni3]

i think god is a nonexistence person-or watever he is and just just any other religions they believe in god/gods but fer me i think religions are stupid that god will be our saviour or watever
cz i think there is no use fer it

[sadolakced acid]

it is a religion, yes, but it's also a philosophy, but more a philosophy.

we insist it (that christianity is the only correct religion) b/c we know it just b/c we have more faith and more love for God than u do doesnt mean u need to be so rude  

that deserves a flame. i have no less faith in my god nor love for my god than you do for yours.

to princess:
you're the type that gives christians a bad rap in my book. you insist that you are right, that your religion is right, and all else is wrong. you are part the biggest religion in the world, and as a result you have become cocky and arrogant. you belive that you are right. you belive that no one else's faith is as strong as yours because nooo, you simply must be the correct one. you belive that all other religions are bogus. you belive that you are superior becuase of your faith. that is the type of big headed remark from someone who can't possiblly be wrong, because they are right.

i apologize for the above flame.

[princess2113]

it is a religion, yes, but it's also a philosophy, but more a philosophy.




that deserves a flame. i have no less faith in my god nor love for my god than you do for yours.

to princess:
you're the type that gives christians a bad rap in my book. you insist that you are right, that your religion is right, and all else is wrong. you are part the biggest religion in the world, and as a result you have become cocky and arrogant. you belive that you are right. you belive that no one else's faith is as strong as yours because nooo, you simply must be the correct one. you belive that all other religions are bogus. you belive that you are superior becuase of your faith. that is the type of big headed remark from someone who can't possiblly be wrong, because they are right.

i apologize for the above flame.

ok i think u misunderstood me i said that b/c u Buddhist is more of a philosophy than a religion...which gave me the impression that u believe less and it is more "a way of life"

actually i believe a lot of what u believe, and if im correct a law in Buddhism somewhere says that u are not to judge ppl...u dunno me, so dunt judge me...i know im right and u can call me all the names u want one day ur gonna be begging God to let u go to Heaven n wished u had tried to be a lil more open minded to what im saying...this topic isnt abt WHOS religion is better...its abt if there IS a God...and i think we have that in common so we shuld be on the same side here...also i know sooo many ppl who have a MUCH stronger faith them me...

[sadolakced acid]

so is there one?

no one can really prove it scientifically.

but then again, for a while no one could prove that bumble bees could fly. they did finally figure it out tho.

[skaterjswife2]

Of course theres a God. How else would everything be created?..

[ppl_love_me]

well, the dumb scientists (no offence) made the evolution theory. But there r other signs.

Plus God never ment for us to PROVE his existance. Like I've said b4, We r supposed to use our own faith, not logic and science.