god, part 2 Options

[princess2113]

Considering that I rarely understand exactly what you write, I don't read most of your posts.

Is praying meditating? How can you pray (with God in your mind) and meditate ("erasing part of the mind")? Oh, never mind... Do you mean to sort of use meditation to think about God instead of emptying the mind?

Saying "ohm" in Hindu might mean to conjure spirits (I don't know), but it's used in yoga to just relax... there's no need to keep that one meaningless word for a religious context.

As for your teacher miss iio__oii, I think she's on crack. Either that or I just don't know what I'm talking about :

grrrr u r the one who isnt making sense...geez.....yes, praying is meditating
meditaing=to camp or empty mind....when we pray we calm our mind, relieve our worried, etc....we empty our mind of our sins and of the sins people have sinned against us...."Forgive us our tresspasses, as we forgive those who tresspass against us"....soo when we pray we ARE emptying the mind, and filling it with love again.....so the last sentance u said doesnt make sense b/c its kinda both....
saying "ohm" doesnt call on spirits....i was giving 2 differant exaples
1-calling on spirits of usually an evil world
2-using words other religions use as a meditation, that is symbolization of prayer to their "gods"
and i think ur teacher is WRONG...she doesnt know what she is saying, or u misunderstood her....ask her again or something

[IIO__oII]

As for your teacher miss iio__oii, I think she's on crack. Either that or I just don't know what I'm talking about :

PS... hahahha "SHE" is really a HE. yea i think hes pretty weird too... but hes really strong in the Lord and hes a good chrisitan.. soo.. i guess we all have weird opinions on wut is bad..

PPS... u guys, i have a QUESTION. u know when u put sumone's quote on one of ure entries?? like princess or fae...: u guys have the (USERNAME @ Jun 26 2004, 8:00 PM) on top of the quote box?? how do u put that on there??? look at my entries that have quotes. its blank at the top!

[moomoognu]

This was a bad topic idea. I didn't bother to read all of it. A knife fight is probably going to break out.

[CrimsonArchangel]

Ah, no we cannot... I feel sorry Gwyneth Paltrow's kid, "Apple" (though I think it's kind of cute).

Aww man... apple... what a name, haha. Cute, but very weird.

That group of people may find some who are willing to convert if their faith isn't strong or they did not have anything to believe in the first place.

I think all religion do that, and I also think its wrong. You should convert when you feel you truly want to and when you truly believe in what you have been taugh. Once again, its the person's choice. It would be a nice idea to convert, but it is up to the person, not the religious people trying to convert that person.

then I found that most religions do not suit me but a mixture of them do.

Just curious. Which ones did you study?

Well I'm glad you are alive and is who you are today.

Aww, thank you! That's nice of you.

About you're mom, she sounds like a very strong minded person. Follow her advice. Choose yourself what you want to believe in but make sure you look into everything so you can know everything that's out there, k?

I would love to see what He could do for those suffering from something they have no control over or something they were born into

Why don't you challenge God? Demand him, "God, if you're truly out there, help so-and-so with this problem they have no control over". Demand it! It's actually quite a fun thing to do because you sometimes get responses you were not expecting. Try it. And it is ok to demand God. You don't have to be so respectful like if you're talking to the president or something... he asks us to demand things from him (of course, not in a bad, disrespectful way either, )

I would love to see what He could do for those suffering from something they have no control over or something they were born into

But being all-knowing he also has the choice to forget about things.

And a good learning experience.

Oh yeah. definately.

"a rose, called by any other name, is still a rose."

Could not have said it better my self!


And yes... I'm still here. Stupid people from camp haven't called and staff training was supposed to start today... so so much for that....

[Mini]

wow this has been interesting. well to say i respect every religion, i just question them. i just dont understand why christians have to relate to the Bible every time they are debating. the Bible is written by people, servants of God if you will. no one is perfect except for God Himself, so why do christians still relate to the Bible? if everyone has sins, couldnt the people in the Bible make some crucial mistakes in writing the Bible? i mean when i read parts of the Bible, some of the passage says that women are the slaves of men. ><''' i havent read ALL of the Bible, but to me there are some parts that you cant absolutely say you follow by. i question in parts of the Bible itself, i think it is very outdated. i think the Bible itself is biased because it was written by a certain group of men. the Bible also speaks very metaphorically. i dont think anyone could really interpret what the Bible is saying. i dont know..i seem to question the Bible.

all of my life, i really believed that all religions suit me also..a mixture. both christianity, buddhism, and parts of taoism. heck i even believe in the Greek Gods and Wiccan Goddess/God. it seems like we cant know for sure if any religion indeed is true until we die. heck there might be NO hell or heaven...maybe just an empty void. there might be no reincarnation or nothing. could it just be that humans just made religion to ease their fear of death?

[Spirited Away]

Aww man... apple... what a name, haha. Cute, but very weird.

I agree, my initial reaction was ... and then and last but not least .

I think all religion do that, and I also think its wrong. You should convert when you feel you truly want to and when you truly believe in what you have been taugh. Once again, its the person's choice. It would be a nice idea to convert, but it is up to the person, not the religious people trying to convert that person.

If they already love what they believe in then there's no changing their mind. That's why there are martyrs. It shouldn't have to come down to people sacrificing their lives only to prove that they believe in something and they don't want to change it.

Just curious. Which ones did you study?

Originally was I a Buddhist then I mellow things to just ancestor worship. There was a time when I fancy myself a Deist, but now I'm just an opinionated agnostic humanist and believe in a little of everything in between. I began with Greek Mythology because it was the most interesting of the bunch and that got me learning just a bit, enough to get by, about the some of the major religions (not including their denominations) such as Christianity (more specifically Catholicism and a little of Mormonism), Judaism, and very little Islam (had to learn it in world history class). Of course I researched Atheism and I enjoyed reading some stuff from Scientology every now and then.
It's not really a serious study, just a whiff of things here and there.

About you're mom, she sounds like a very strong minded person. Follow her advice. Choose yourself what you want to believe in but make sure you look into everything so you can know everything that's out there, k? 

I don't think it's possible to know everything about religion without being a seriously studious student of religions.

Why don't you challenge God? Demand him, "God, if you're truly out there, help so-and-so with this problem they have no control over". Demand it! It's actually quite a fun thing to do because you sometimes get responses you were not expecting. Try it. And it is ok to demand God. You don't have to be so respectful like if you're talking to the president or something... he asks us to demand things from him (of course, not in a bad, disrespectful way either,  )

I'll get my friend to try it for me, she's Christian. But you do know that I would ask that He relieve hunger, sickness, and poverty for people all over the world right? I'm sure such a demand has been made more than a million times by different people.

But being all-knowing he also has the choice to forget about things.

Choosing to forget doesn't mean that he's able to forget. What if someone brought up the sin again? If he forgot about it, then he wouldn't be all-knowing anymore.

And yes... I'm still here. Stupid people from camp haven't called and staff training was supposed to start today... so so much for that....

Well, I have to work at 4:30 am this upcoming Tuesday because my co-worker has to go on a field trip (of sorts) with our senior program members... I'm going to need a ton of coffee... or just a very small potent cup of coffee.

[CrimsonArchangel]

Of course I researched Atheism and I enjoyed reading some stuff from Scientology every now and then.


Well, I have to work at 4:30 am this upcoming Tuesday because my co-worker has to go on a field trip (of sorts) with our senior program members... I'm going to need a ton of coffee... or just a very small potent cup of coffee.

What's scientology? I mean, I've heard about it but I really don't know what it teaches and stuff. I'm just curious.

I don't think it's possible to know everything about religion without being a seriously studious student of religions.

True, true. I guess then just know what you're choosing and why.

I'll get my friend to try it for me, she's Christian.

No, no. You have to try it. So you can see it yourself. And I completely understand what you would ask. I myself have done it once or twice. Then if you don't think God will listen to you there, then... try something else. Dunno, God help me pass this test. I demand you. God make me feel better. I demand it. SOmething like that. Start with simple things then maybe work your way up.

If he forgot about it, then he wouldn't be all-knowing anymore

Ok, maybe the word forget is not the right one. God is willing to not bring up any repented sins and he is willing to not remind you about anything you have done in your past. If you bring it up then it is up to you to deal with whatever happens... dunno if that made sense. (I'm not singling you out. Its a general statement).

Well, I have to work at 4:30 am this upcoming Tuesday because my co-worker has to go on a field trip (of sorts) with our senior program members... I'm going to need a ton of coffee... or just a very small potent cup of coffee.

Where do you work?

[Spirited Away]

What's scientology? I mean, I've heard about it but I really don't know what it teaches and stuff. I'm just curious.

I think Tom Cruise is still a Scientologist.

Anyway Scientology is pretty cool because it includes a little from all major religions. One of its purpose, I think, is to learn how to live a happier life from using all fundamental laws of life (learning who we are, "what we're capable of...etc).

Nothing in Scientology, however, need be taken on faith. Its truths are self-evident, its principles are easily demonstrable and its technology can be seen at work in any church of Scientology. One need only open the door and step through.

Scientology is a twentieth-century religion. It comprises a vast body of knowledge extending from certain fundamental truths, and prime among those truths: Man is a spiritual being endowed with abilities well beyond those which he normally envisages. He is not only able to solve his own problems, accomplish his goals and gain lasting happiness, but also to achieve new states of awareness he may never have dreamed possible.

I think in essence, Scientology is very much a humanist religion.

True, true. I guess then just know what you're choosing and why.

Sure, but that's the hard part.

No, no. You have to try it. So you can see it yourself. And I completely understand what you would ask. I myself have done it once or twice. Then if you don't think God will listen to you there, then... try something else. Dunno, God help me pass this test. I demand you. God make me feel better. I demand it. SOmething like that. Start with simple things then maybe work your way up.

But I don't even ask God and I always pass my tests with acceptable grades... except for one time, but that was totally because I was lazying about.
What I need Him to do is to save Mankind from itself. World peace. End hunger. The things that actually would constitute as a miracle.

Ok, maybe the word forget is not the right one. God is willing to not bring up any repented sins and he is willing to not remind you about anything you have done in your past. If you bring it up then it is up to you to deal with whatever happens... dunno if that made sense. (I'm not singling you out. Its a general statement).

I see. But He isn't willing to bring it up to make you feel bad about it, but that still doesn't mean that He forgot it. HAHAHAHA, yes I know what you mean, but He doesn't forget it, He just puts it behind Him.

Where do you work?   

At the Y a very Christian oriented atmosphere.

[CrimsonArchangel]

I think in essence, Scientology is very much a humanist religion.

At the Y a very Christian oriented atmosphere.

Hmmm... it sounds interesting.

Sure, but that's the hard part.

Agree, and I wish you the best of luck in whatever you choose!

But I don't even ask God and I always pass my tests with acceptable grades...

Well, then, my dear Fae, welcome to the group of us smart people! Why don't you try asking him one time to let you pass a test with a 100, (or an A+, however yours are graded)? Try that.

What I need Him to do is to save Mankind from itself.

That's hard to do..... We as human beings are stubborn...

yes I know what you mean, but He doesn't forget it, He just puts it behind Him.

You got it. That's exactly how it is. So, I guess forget was the wrong word.

At the Y a very Christian oriented atmosphere.

HaHa, you sound excited. That's interesting. What do you do?


Well, this is really my last post for a while. I leave to camp tomorrow and won't be back until the first week of August, so tata my friends! It has been fun so far.

[sadolakced acid]

just one question;

if god is allpowerful, then why do people have to do his work?


satan was an angel
jesus was a jew
christianity says every other religion is wrong

three things, i belive thatare true, according to what i've been told.

explain to me these flaws, please.

[onenonly101]

Christianity says that Jeus is the only way to God.

Satan is BELIEVED to have been an angel people take that from a passage in Isiah but is does not say Satan in the verse, people just relate that to Satan

We do not have to, we choose to.

[princess2113]

just one question;

if god is allpowerful, then why do people have to do his work?


satan was an angel
jesus was a jew
christianity says every other religion is wrong

three things, i belive thatare true, according to what i've been told. 

explain to me these flaws, please.

*we CHOOSE to do His work...it praises Him and makes Him happy. I have no greater joy than to please and praise Him.
*Satan was an angel. He thought he could be better than God, so God kicked him out of Heaven...Satan CHOSE to do evil, and try to lead others to evil, becoming the devil, a name given b/c he chose an evil path.
*Jesus was a Jew...Jew was the right religion before Jesus came. They believe what Christians believe, except they do not believe Jesus is God's Son, they believe their Savior is yet to come, and that is why they still practice old traditions(such as killing an animal for their sins)...Christian means follower of Christ...you couldn't follow Christ if u didnt know He existed...after Jesus came, He became the ULITAME SACRIFICE...the Lamb of God...instead of killing a lamb for our sins, God sent His Son, Jesus, to be that Lamb for all who believe in Him...so that we may not perish, but have everlasting life with Him...God did not send Him Son into the world to condem the world, but to save the world through Him (yeah its in the Bible-John 3:16 and John 3:17...check it out)
*we dont say every other religion is worng...some parts are the same, we say the parts that are differant from what we say is wrong....notice we have donominations within Christianity, so the Bible is up for interpretation...God says its ok to have doubts about Him, you should just pray about them.....
~Jesus is the ONLY WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE...He is the LIGHT in the darkness...follow Him to the Father....to get to Heaven you must believe He is the Son of God and that He came down to earth from Heaven to die on a cross for our sins, believe that He died so that if we believe in Him, we can live forever with Him, and He rose again....good deeds? thats NOT how u get in Heaven...we want to do good deeds b/c it makes God happy...when u help Jesus' brothers and sisters, you are helping Him "what you do unto the least of My brothers, you do unto Me"(dunno what verse it is, i just know it)...we do it to make Him happy, not to get to Heaven...doesnt matter how gud of a person u are...just if u TRULY believe and love God, you want to make Him happy

[IIO__oII]

just one question;

if god is allpowerful, then why do people have to do his work?


satan was an angel
jesus was a jew
christianity says every other religion is wrong

three things, i belive thatare true, according to what i've been told.

explain to me these flaws, please.

well..
GOd is "working" too. he's moving in our and other ppls lives. [i wouldnt really call us "working" for God.. we want to do his will.] its not a matter of him being so powerful that we dont have to do anithing...

satan WAS an angel. KEY WORD-WAS. hes a fallen angel. he wanted to be like God.. wanted to be BETTER than God. so sadly, GOd had to cast him down.

Jew is part of christianity.. so is catholic.. Christianity is one big group.

we dont say that EVERY religion is wrong. atheists say that.
we say that bits and parts of religion may be right, but christianity is the only religion that is all right

PS.. please go read the previous posts.. if u havent... so some of your questions could be answered

[ryfitaDF]

is part of christianity.. so is catholic.. Christianity is one big group.

actually, christianity came after judism, and catholosism and protostant are from christianity.

we dont say that EVERY religion is wrong. atheists say that. 
we say that bits and parts of religion may be right, but christianity is the only religion that is all right

yes. christians do say every other religion is wrong. if christianity is right, and none of the others are right, then they are wrong. it explains why their's christians, mostly mormons and jehovas whitnesses, take time out of their day to walk door to door to tell us how wrong we are. it gets kind of annoying.

[sadolakced acid]

haha. it is quite annoying to have people try to convert you.

and please, in replying to my posts, don't put bible quotes, don't put refrences to passages, and umm. please don't preach to me about following jesus and stuff. i'm not reading that.

please... just straightforward answers.

alright, new question:

who created god? was god here since the begining of time? then who created time? and what was before time?

and if he created the universe, then where was he before? just there?

[onenonly101]

princess didn't put verses in what she was saying she said you could check out john 3:16 and 17 if you wanted
God,God,and God. I mean he has just always been there.

Jehovas wittnesses and mormons are not considered Christian

[Spirited Away]

Jehovas wittnesses and mormons are not considered Christian

why not?

<--- had no idea

[onenonly101]

Jehovas witnesses have their own type of bible where they take some things out and put some things in. I not completely sure but one of my firends her grandma is a jehova witness and she said they don't believe that Jesus rose from the dead(which is the main factor in becoming a Christian)

Mormons, Their are many different stuff to their doctrine, but they base alot of their beliefs off the founder of their church and they have like a mormonism books. Some people consider mormonism a cult

[princess2113]

  why not?

<--- had no idea

let me explain...they consider themselves Christian...they are not...they alter our beliefs, which i am confident God doesnt want you to go around changing what He says and calling it "the Mormon Book"...moron book...they try to suck ppl into their religion...u think im judging? comes frum the mouth of a moron...they believe it is their main purpose...they even try to get Christians to convert...if they were Christians themselves, why spend their life trying to convert us to another "donomination"...its not but they believe it to be

haha. it is quite annoying to have people try to convert you.

its quite annoying to not be able to talk abt ur faith w/o having sume1 juding u saying that ur trying to convert them...i assure u, we are not...well im not

who created god? was god here since the begining of time? then who created time? and what was before time?

and if he created the universe, then where was he before? just there?

He has always been, so no1 created Him....yes, He was alwayz there
He created "time"...we dunno if it was a 24 hour day like we have now, that was created by human(s) so one day to God could be one second, or 100years..or we dont know...this is y when it says the Earth was created in 7days..that was 7 days GOD'S TIME...could be 2 seconds, or a million years, that is why creation and evolution do not nessisarily completly contradict each other...God could have created THROUGH evolution...there was nothingess, yes...hard to understand? yes...took me a LONG time to believe? YES...do i have faith its real? YES!!!

[sadolakced acid]

so in the god just was? he was there? what was the begining anyways? where was god.

really, i don't have a problem is someone wants to explain thier faith to me.
but, i do if...

they start telling me to convert
dissing my religion
refrencing the bible, which i do NOT belive in

i'm sorry if i lump all christians together, including those that people say are not christians, but to me, they're all christian.

some christians take their faith to extremes. i.e., Roy's Rock. that's a bit etreme, isn't it?

[rnrn897]

......how do u think planets formed? how do u think galaxies formed? mars cant JUST appear... impossible :T

[Spirited Away]

......how do u think planets formed? how do u think galaxies formed? mars cant JUST appear... impossible :T

Please refrain from not reading previous arguments and saying stuff that has already been said... hmmm many times before.

[princess2113]

......how do u think planets formed? how do u think galaxies formed? mars cant JUST appear... impossible :T

read the part one we debated this for like 20 pages but i totally agree with u...even when they explain to me i found a glitch they saiy bacteria formed...but for bacteria to for u have to have WATER and darkness...who put the water there?

so in the god just was? he was there? what was the begining anyways? where was god.

ok this and the Trinity are the most common things to doubt, but yes. He was alwayz there...He was in the darkness, everywhere we dunno coordinates, but He is a Spirit...He just was, we'll find out more in Heaven. there was no begining for God(there was for humans b/c God created us later) b/c He alwayz was, just as there is no end for us or God b/c we will be with God...and others with the devil...and ur Buddhist right? no1 said this topic was only abt our God...answer ur questions based on ur religion, i wanna know...if u believe then dont u believe Buddha alwayz was there? and when do u think he came to be? who created him?

See, we dont have all the answers. We just have the ones we need, the rest we'll find out in Heaven...perhaps its testing out faith to not have all of the answers, but yet believe...some things, like the Trinity can only be understood partially by the human mind on earth...but eventually, in Heaven, we will understand

[EmeraldKnight]

This topic's still going around?

[Spirited Away]

who put the water there?

The Water Cycle

Who created the water cycle? Why, Mother Nature did.

Okay, some science genius is going to have to help me out here... because I'm not sure what I'm talking about.