god, part 2 Options

[Spirited Away]

i don't know if this is what princess and iio_oii where saying but this is what i got from it.

Christians are persecuted more than anyone else, because we follow God. But we are persecuted by other humans. God makes our lives better because we know whenever we are in trouble or just need someone God will always be there.

If you would only read "Holy Horrors" by James Haught.

The first Crusade, launched in 1095, was to kill infidels in the Holy Land in the name of God.

Then the religious legions plundered their way 2,000 miles to Jerusalem, where they killed virtually every inhabitant, "purifying" the symbolic city. Cleric Raymond of Aguilers wrote: "In the temple of Solomon, one rode in blood up to the knees and even to the horses' bridles, by the just and marvelous judgment of God."

In the Third Crusade, after Richard the Lion-Hearted captured Acre in 1191, he ordered 3,000 captives -- many of them women and children -- taken outside the city and slaughtered. Some were disemboweled in a search for swallowed gems. Bishops intoned blessings. Infidel lives were of no consequence. As Saint Bernard of Clairvaux declared in launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."

In Spain, where many Jews and Moors had converted to escape persecution, inquisitors sought those harboring their old faith. At least 2,000 Spanish backsliders were burned. Executions in other countries included the burning of scientists such as mathematician-philosopher Giordano Bruno, who espoused Copernicus's theory that the planets orbit the sun

Those were just some examples...

How could you say that Christians are persecuted more than anyone else when Christians were the ones who were doing the persecuting?

[onenonly101]

Ok those were thousands of years ago and also God would not say to kill in the name of him. I am talking about today right now. I am persectued more because I choose to follow Christ. People will try to make fun of God and curse him, put me down because i believe in him, and basically call me an idiot for believing what I believe. Then many poeple are killed for believing in Christ. Take Nigeria for example in the north the Muslims are in control for decades there had been genocide. Almost everyday they kill a Christian. They have destroyed my peoples homes for believing in Christ. They treat us as thoguh we are second rate because we are Christians or catholics.

[Spirited Away]

Ok those were thousands of years ago and also God would not say to kill in the name of him. I am talking about today right now. I am persectued more because I choose to follow Christ. People will try to make fun of God and curse him, put me down because i believe in him, and basically call me an idiot for believing what I believe. Then many poeple are killed for believing in Christ. Take Nigeria for example in the north the Muslims are in control for decades there had been genocide. Almost everyday they kill  a Christian. They have destroyed my peoples homes for believing in Christ. They treat us as thoguh we are second rate because we are Christians or catholics.

On the contrary, non-believers or believers of other faiths are persecuted more than Christians.

Christianity is among the major religions of the world. There may be people mocking Christianity but there are more Christians who flaunt their faith in other people faces (examples: people who knocks on my door, who go around campus advertising Christianity, who's on TV). People like Princess and iio__oii who says that people of other faiths will die in Hell and that we are wrong and that Christianity is the one true faith.

Edit: As for those killings in Nigeria, religion, although can be helpful in giving hope, is also a bad thing because of the fanatics who strive that their religion is the "right" one all the time.

You and other Christians said that a sin can be forgiven, but not be erased or forgotten. The Crusades happened centuries ago, but the force of destruction still lingers. People died, slaughtered, suffered cruelties because of others who said God is their Savior.

You only suffer harsh words from non-Christianss, but non-Christians suffered ten-fold throughtout history.

[onenonly101]

Christians have suffered throughout history. That is why there are hundreds of books about Christians being killed in Asian countries and Muslim countries.

If people were to bash any ethinicty,sex, or any other religion people would be in an uproar. but people bash Christianity everyday and no one says anything

[Spirited Away]

Christians have suffered throughout history. That is why there are hundreds of books about Christians being killed in Asian countries and Muslim countries.

If people were to bash any ethinicty,sex, or any other religion people would be in an uproar. but people bash Christianity everyday and no one says anything

Most likely they were killed because they were trying to impose their faith on people of strong religious backgrounds. People do not just kill anyone unless that someone has offended them somehow, not to say that the killing is justified because it isn't.

No one says anything nowdays. But I think that Christianity has done enough killing in the name of God already. If Christians were to continue on as centuries ago, this world will be no more because Christianity is the dominant religion. People only bash Christianity because Christians advertise their religion (or at least, that's my reason for not liking it).

[IIO__oII]

On the contrary, non-believers or believers of other faiths are persecuted more than Christians.

Christianity is among the major religions of the world. There may be people mocking Christianity but there are more Christians who flaunt their faith in other people faces (examples: people who knocks on my door, who go around campus advertising Christianity, who's on TV). People like Princess and iio__oii who says that people of other faiths will die in Hell and that we are wrong and that Christianity is the one true faith.

Most likely they were killed because they were trying to impose their faith on people of strong religious backgrounds. People do not just kill anyone unless that someone has offended them somehow, not to say that the killing is justified because it isn't.

No one says anything nowdays. But I think that Christianity has done enough killing in the name of God already. If Christians were to continue on as centuries ago, this world will be no more because Christianity is the dominant religion. People only bash Christianity because Christians advertise their religion (or at least, that's my reason for not liking it).

knoe wut? im sorry if it sounds like im "bashing" on other ppls relgion.. ok? sorri. its just that... er.. its hard for me to knoe wut the bible says and to hear all this going on...
i APOLIGIZE!

[Spirited Away]

knoe wut? im sorry if it sounds like im "bashing" on other ppls relgion.. ok? sorri. its just that... er.. its hard for me to knoe wut the bible says and to hear all this going on...
i APOLIGIZE!

It's not in my place to demand any kind of apology from you, you only say what you say because you have a strong belief of it and that deserves some respect. But I only say that because other people who believes in other things deserve respect as well, because they are strong believers, too.

[CrimsonArchangel]

You and other Christians said that a sin can be forgiven, but not be erased or forgotten.

Not true. God forgives and forgets if you ask him with all your heart.
Sorry if I sound rude, but (I'm not bashing any other religions, just putting an example) you have to also put in play that Muslims also kill in the name of God, 9/11 for example.
YEs, Christians did kill in the name of God, but other religions have done too.

*Lemme clarify that I am in no way justifying anything Christians did in the past. It was wrong. I'm just putting examples on the board*.

[*kryogenix*]

Most likely they were killed because they were trying to impose their faith on people of strong religious backgrounds. People do not just kill anyone unless that someone has offended them somehow, not to say that the killing is justified because it isn't.

No one says anything nowdays. But I think that Christianity has done enough killing in the name of God already. If Christians were to continue on as centuries ago, this world will be no more because Christianity is the dominant religion. People only bash Christianity because Christians advertise their religion (or at least, that's my reason for not liking it).

The Romans killed the Christians because the Christians wouldn't convert to their pagan religion.

Part of catholicism is evangelization, which is spreading the message of God.

[Spirited Away]

Not true. God forgives and forgets if you ask him with all your heart.
Sorry if I sound rude, but (I'm not bashing any other religions, just putting an example) you have to also put in play that Muslims also kill in the name of God, 9/11 for example.
YEs, Christians did kill in the name of God, but other religions have done too.

By V@por::

non-Christians aren't forgiven or i should say cannot be forgiven even if they repent because the sin is still there
it has not been paid for
it has not been compensated

if you decide right now that you will never sin again
and you succeed, the sins you did before are still there

all sins are the same
even if you only said one little lie in your whole life, and did no other sins
you still cannot go to heaven because
God cannot tolerate even a hint of sin

therefore someone needs to pay the price of sinning for us
that's where Jesus comes in...

God forgives but according to that, sins aren't erased.
Anyway, God forgives and maybe forgets sins commited by Christians, but not non-believers. There is a reward for being Christian, I suppose.

Oh I didn't mean to single out Christianity and I know that the other major religions of the world has their fair share doing things against their belief system. No one religious group, that I have heard of, is truly innocent.

I only listed those things because OneOnly101 says that Christians are persecuted more than non-Christians, which is not true and history has proven that.

[onenonly101]

History also proves that Christians were persecuted more.

Most likely they were killed because they were trying to impose their faith on people of strong religious backgrounds. People do not just kill anyone unless that someone has offended them somehow, not to say that the killing is justified because it isn't.

Not all the time. Alot of people kill people because they are different from them, they have different views. They didn't do anything to start it. So many people were crucified and stoned for believing in Christ. The Cruasades that were really not in the name of God were a period of time. From the start of Christianity to the present we have been persecuted. But it really doesn't matter who has been persecuted the most because Jews have that one.

You and other Christians said that a sin can be forgiven, but not be erased or forgotten.

I myself have never said that. But if we confess our sins to Him He is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from every wrong.

[Spirited Away]

History also proves that Christians were persecuted more.

Examples? Maybe I'm missing out on something .

Not all the time. Alot of people kill people because they are different from them, they have different views. They didn't do anything to start it. So many people were crucified and stoned for believing in Christ. The Cruasades that were really not in the name of God were a period of time. From the start of Christianity to the present we have been persecuted. But it really doesn't matter who has been persecuted the most because Jews have that one.

"A lot of people kill people because they are different from them" <-- My sentiments exactly. That is something that Christians were not able to understand in the past and anyone who wasn't a Christian was deemed the name "heathen" and was ostracized from "polite" society.

(Still talking about history) Then these Christians go around the globe in hope to spread their belief of a loving and forgiving God while killing and slaughtering those who disagree with their God.

Of course these people of different beliefs would kill Christians, after all, Christians have killed people different from themselves. It's funny to say that Christians have been persecuted making Christians sound innocent, while it was Christians who killed and persecuted "heathens.

And of course, people of other religions are guilty of such deeds, too. However, the major wars in the name of religion have been all related somewhat to the Christian God.

Nowdays, most Christians are kind and only work to spread their religion in hope that everyone will accept God.
However, nowdays, there are still people of different faiths. This is something that cannot be changed, we must all learn to live with this fact.

I myself have never said that. But if we confess our sins to Him He is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from every wrong.

There you go. God will forgive you if you believe in Him.
I do not mean to sound rude, but that sounds like bribery to me: I'll give you my belief (thus my free will) in turn for forgiveness...
Just doesn't make sense for a kind and loving God to ask for that... it sounds like a business deal.

[*kryogenix*]

Examples? Maybe I'm missing out on something .

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Christian/Persecution/

Nowdays, most Christians are kind and only work to spread their religion in hope that everyone will accept God.
However, nowdays, there are still people of different faiths. This is something that cannot be changed, we must all learn to live with this fact.

And there are people who have no faith either. Which is why missionaries are in africa, asia, etc.

There you go. God will forgive you if you believe in Him.
I do not mean to sound rude, but that sounds like bribery to me: I'll give you my belief (thus my free will) in turn for forgiveness...
Just doesn't make sense for a kind and loving God to ask for that...  it sounds like a business deal.

How is that bribery? If you put your faith in the fact that God will grant forgiveness, then he will forgive you. If you didn't believe he would forgive you, then you wouldn't ask for forgiveness.

[Spirited Away]

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Christian/Persecution/

That site confirms it, religion is no good for the world. First, Christians persecute non-Christians, and now people of other religions persecute Christians in the name of their faith.

Anyway, I did briefly scan the site, but does anyone care to tell me WHY, in detail, Christians are being mistreated? What was the main religion in the region before the spread of Christianity to that area?
Consider how you would feel if a group of people come along and say that your religion is the wrong one and try to convert you to their faith. I bet you wouldn't like those people very much.

And there are people who have no faith either. Which is why missionaries are in africa, asia, etc.

What's wrong with not having a faith? Is being faithless so bad of a thing? What if they're still good people, just content living their life as they see fit?

How is that bribery? If you put your faith in the fact that God will grant forgiveness, then he will forgive you. If you didn't believe he would forgive you, then you wouldn't ask for forgiveness.

That makes a lot of sense, how come I never thought about it before. If I didn't believe in Him I wouldn't be forgiven anyway, so why waste my breath by asking.

[CrimsonArchangel]

God forgives but according to that, sins aren't erased.
Anyway, God forgives and maybe forgets sins commited by Christians, but not non-believers. There is a reward for being Christian, I suppose.

Fae.... forgive me if I'm wrong and correct me if I am, but you sound anxious. Maybe scared?
God forgives and forgets. No matter what you do. *Sorry to all others here, but, some ppl here call themselves Christians, but do not really know all there is to know*. I know, I know. The Bible should be a whole other topic, but, if some people here would read the Bible they would see that God does forgive and forget. I won't quote because I remember someone on the last God debate thing said that by quoting the BIble is like trying to feed a two-year-old a three pound steak. So, for now, I won't quote.
But again, God forgives and forgets no matter what you have done.

That site confirms it, religion is no good for the world.

Funny stuff. Religion can be a mouthful and a burden, but hey, you learn to deal with them. I should know. My father's a minister...

[Spirited Away]

Fae.... forgive me if I'm wrong and correct me if I am, but you sound anxious. Maybe scared? 

Eh, not any more scared than annoyed. I don't know. I've read Dante's Inferno so I guess I know what's Hell is about, but then again...
Sure, I'm scared of Hell and I'm sure that others are, too, but I'm more annoyed at the supposed rules that will make me go to Hell. So, I guess they balance each other out. But eh, really, I don't believe in Hell to be frighten by it, I'm just scared of the concept of it... such an evil place... *insert twighlight zone music*

You know how children will be scared if someone told them there's a monster under their beds or closets? Hell is the same as those non-existent monsters to me. I know it doesn't exist (in my point of view, and I'm sure Christians will disagree), but I'll still be wary of it.

God forgives and forgets. No matter what you do. *Sorry to all others here, but, some ppl here call themselves Christians, but do not really know all there is to know*. I know, I know. The Bible should be a whole other topic, but, if some people here would read the Bible they would see that God does forgive and forget. I won't quote because I remember someone on the last God debate thing said that by quoting the BIble is like trying to feed a two-year-old a three pound steak. So, for now, I won't quote. But again, God forgives and forgets no matter what you have done.

That's what I can't understand, one person will say one thing about Christianity, and then another will say something quite the oposite. I don't get it, I try to understand, but I don't think it's something meant to be understood. As far as I'm concern, religion, as faith, should remain in the heart instead of expose for the public to criticize or persecute.

  Funny stuff. Religion can be a mouthful and a burden, but hey, you learn to deal with them. I should know. My father's a minister...  

Religion is forever a dividing factor. It kills; it hates; it favors; it conquers. It may give hope to one man, but takes away from another...

[ComradeRed]

I undersatnd forgiving, but if God is all-knowing, how is it possible for him to forget?

[CrimsonArchangel]

Eh, not any more scared than annoyed.

Annoyed at what?

I'm just scared of the concept of it... such an evil place...

I think everyone is scared of a concept like hell. Well.. except maybe Goths and stuff but they're just creepy.
As for the Christians will disagree about hell and what not, I disagree with them. Hell doesn't exist. Well, the place itself doesn't, but the concept does. Its kinda complicated and I will try to explain. You've heard of the whole second coming of Jesus and what not? Well, it is said that he will come, take the righteous to heaven and stay there for a thousand years. During that time, Satan and his followers (note I didn't say non-believers here) will be here on earth trapped. Then at the end of the thousand years God will come back and all the evil people (again, no non-believers mentioned here) will die and burn, then all will be new. That's what I know to be hell. Not a burning place deep inside the earth's core where all people who are bad and don't believe in God will burn and be tortured for eternity. That doesn't exist.

That's what I can't understand, one person will say one thing about Christianity, and then another will say something quite the oposite.

Ok. Again to clarify something. Yes, I've read that many of the people here contradict each other (I count myself in), but Fae, you believe in what you think is fairest, best, and more... believable, haha. It's up to you. It's your choice.

It may give hope to one man, but takes away from another...

Is this what has you against the concept of religion?

[shawty_redd]

I undersatnd forgiving, but if God is all-knowing, how is it possible for him to forget?

he doesn't forget he forgives.

[MzBabiiGuRrL]

he doesn't forget he forgives.

you're so true...

[CrimsonArchangel]

he doesn't forget he forgives.

Why would he not forget? Is he not also all-loving?

[IIO__oII]

Eh, not any more scared than annoyed. I don't know. I've read Dante's Inferno so I guess I know what's Hell is about, but then again...
Sure, I'm scared of Hell and I'm sure that others are, too, but I'm more annoyed at the supposed rules that will make me go to Hell. So, I guess they balance each other out. But eh, really, I don't believe in Hell to be frighten by it, I'm just scared of the concept of it... such an evil place... *insert twighlight zone music*

You know how children will be scared if someone told them there's a monster under their beds or closets? Hell is the same as those non-existent monsters to me. I know it doesn't exist (in my point of view, and I'm sure Christians will disagree), but I'll still be wary of it.

can u tell us wut it said wut hell was like in Dante's Inferno??

[shawty_redd]

Why would he not forget? Is he not also all-loving?

if he forgot every sin that a person committed and then repented how could he know that you've changed? he has to remember what you've done.

[ComradeRed]

Why would he not forget? Is he not also all-loving?

If he's all-knowing, it's not logically possible for him to forget somethign.

[Spirited Away]

can u tell us wut it said wut hell was like in Dante's Inferno??

Why don't you try reading the book? It's a well-known classic.